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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Gengar84

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If we get two Pokemon newcomers, I’d rather one be from the most recent generation and the other be a classic long time favorite. Limiting yourself to only the most recent games risks the characters just feeling like advertisements and promotional picks. I think that’s still important too but it does get kind of boring if that’s all there is.
 

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If we get two Pokemon newcomers, I’d rather one be from the most recent generation and the other be a classic long time favorite. Limiting yourself to only the most recent games risks the characters just feeling like advertisements and promotional picks. I think that’s still important too but it does get kind of boring if that’s all there is.
Gardevoir and Tinkaton got it.
 

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Big fighting game fan eh? I really like Guilty Gears’ music and Sol Badguy has a great design so I’d be happy to see him in Smash. The other options here look cool too. My most wanted fighting game characters are Fulgore (Killer Instinct), Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat), and Nightmare (Soul Calibur).
Always have been a huge fan of the fighting game fan since having played Tekken 3 back during my childhood when I first played it on Arcades and the Playstation and since then, I had gotten in to the likes of Street Fighter, King of Fighters, Virtua Fighter, Marvel Vs Capcom, Guilty Gear, Mortal Kombat, SoulCalibur, Darkstalkers etc.

Final Fantasy X is one of my favorite games ever. My favorite character is Lulu followed by Auron but I feel like Tidus and Yuna have the best shot. I opted for Yuna because I think a summoner based Smash moveset could be a ton of fun but Tidus could be cool too. I could see him taking a little page out of Shulk’s book to boost his stats like the Monado arts with Haste and Cheer.
Will say that I will agree with you that Final Fantasy X is also my favourite Final Fantasy title to date still in which I've also been a massive fan of Nobuo Uematsu's music work for the game as well.

As for Tidus' moveset, I could see him maybe perhaps cast some spells like Haste and Cheer like Shulk's Monado Arts as well as incorporating some of his Overdrive moves (Spiral Cut, Slice & Dice and Energy Rain) and perhaps using Blitz Ace (his final Overdrive move) as his Final Smash move.
 
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So it's leak season again and it's heavily rumored that the Master Chief collection is coming to the Nintendo Switch 2. I personally think that Master Chief would become the likeliest Microsoft character to be added to Smash Bros if this does end up happening.

There's also heavy rumors of Red Dead Redemption 2 being a launch title, but I'm not sure if Nintendo would go for a Rockstar rep.
 

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If we get two Pokemon newcomers, I’d rather one be from the most recent generation and the other be a classic long time favorite. Limiting yourself to only the most recent games risks the characters just feeling like advertisements and promotional picks. I think that’s still important too but it does get kind of boring if that’s all there is.
Meowscarada and Eevee
 

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So it's leak season again and it's heavily rumored that the Master Chief collection is coming to the Nintendo Switch 2. I personally think that Master Chief would become the likeliest Microsoft character to be added to Smash Bros if this does end up happening.

There's also heavy rumors of Red Dead Redemption 2 being a launch title, but I'm not sure if Nintendo would go for a Rockstar rep.
Source btw: https://www.resetera.com/threads/na...ill-come-to-ps5-and-switch-2-as-well.1079067/

Nate's been pretty much entirely correct about Microsoft's multiplatform plans so there's not much reason left to doubt this. He also says that FF7 Remake and Rebirth are coming to Switch 2 and Xbox as well: https://www.resetera.com/threads/na...ake-released-in-2025-rebirth-in-2026.1079100/

Assuming all of this comes true, then basically the only real argument you could make against the Chief being in Smash is, well, the same thing holding back most other western third parties: not popular/notable enough in Japan.
 

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At the very least, Nate says that Microsoft is going to be a big supporter for the Switch 2, that they even plan on patching Xbox games already on Switch 1 like Grounded, Ori, etc for 4K support on Switch 2, and that we should be expecting a lot of their games on Switch 2 (and PS5) going forward.

Which does line up with Nintendo mentioning Microsoft as one of the publishers they want to strengthen relationships with. So I don't think we have to worry about them not being repped the next game, which bodes well for BK and Steve.
 
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At the very least, Nate says that Microsoft is going to be a big supporter for the Switch 2, that they even plan on patching Xbox games already on Switch 1 like Grounded, Ori, etc for 4K support on Switch 2, and that we should be expecting a lot of their games on Switch 2 (and PS5) going forward.

Which does line up with Nintendo mentioning Microsoft as one of the publishers they want to strengthen relationships with. So I don't think we have to worry about them not being repped the next game, which bodes well for BK and Steve.
I'm starting to get the feeling that Microsoft is planning to leave the console market entirely just like how Sega left in the early 2000s.
 

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I'm starting to get the feeling that Microsoft is planning to leave the console market entirely just like how Sega left in the early 2000s.
Yep, that is exactly what is happening lol. Xbox as a console manufacturer and competitor to Nintendo/Sony is effectively over and they're just gonna survive as a big multi platform publisher like EA and 2K.
 
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I think Microsoft playing ball against is an extremely safe bet. The only variable I'm curious about is how cooperative they will be for base game vs DLC.

Few companies would turn down the opportunity to be a Smash DLC character, with no doubt extra monetary gain to be had from direct transactions. This is the only means we've had Microsoft represented thus far, and on top of that is the factor of overseas communication. I have to imagine on that second front, most of the dirty work with Banjo and Steve is already done so it would just involve a few conversations and emails to settle. First part hinges on how much Microsoft cares about that extra $$$.

My prediction is that Banjo and Steve can easily come back on base roster - especially Banjo, if all the Rare content on NSO is anything to abide by. They really seem to value the idea of Nintendo elevating their legacy Rare content since this is where they will find their strongest audience. Minecraft is perhaps a hotter commodity, but Steve is genuinely that big to be worth handing over the extra bucks to have on day one. But much like Square Enix (presumably) before them, and with how many viable and popular Microsoft characters there are, they will continue to have a big presence through DLC cycles and will negotiate one or two new characters around the same time they settle the return of the first two.

And as I've stated in the past, somewhat controversially maybe, I don't see one coming back without the other. Banjo being virtual pocket change to bring back and having been such a highly sought after fan favorite, if relations with Microsoft are good I don't know why you wouldn't just grab him again. That's assuming Steve comes back as well which most people would sooner believe. Which again, outside of being a pretty complex character I don't see why not.
 
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Man, Caddicarus makes this look easy, doesn't he? Took a whole minute to figure out the "Bros" standin...
At the very least, Nate says that Microsoft is going to be a big supporter for the Switch 2, that they even plan on patching Xbox games already on Switch 1 like Grounded, Ori, etc for 4K support on Switch 2, and that we should be expecting a lot of their games on Switch 2 (and PS5) going forward.

Which does line up with Nintendo mentioning Microsoft as one of the publishers they want to strengthen relationships with. So I don't think we have to worry about them not being repped the next game, which bodes well for BK and Steve.
Them also mentioning CyGames still gives me hope for something Dragalia Lost-related, as slim as those chances are. I miss it everyday.
 

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Yep, that is exactly what is happening lol. Xbox as a console manufacturer and competitor to Nintendo/Sony is effectively over and they're just gonna survive as a big multi platform publisher like EA and 2K.
Huh. You think that means we'll see Halo on the next console? That'd be interesting.

My first guess would be "no" because lol high graphics games on Nintendo hardware, but we got The Witcher III on Switch so I dunno.
 

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Carmen Sandiego is one of those characters that I do feel has nearly everything to justify an appearance in Smash (History, relevancy, recognizable name, moveset potential), but just isn't popular enough to gather a spot in the playable roster due to too much competition. At the very least I hope for a Spirit cameo.
 

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As glad as I am to hear that the Switch 2 will most likely be getting some strong third-party support unlike the Wii's successor, I'd find it odd to see a gaming market where only Nintendo and Sony remained as the big names in the gaming console industry while Microsoft left and Xbox vanished outside of it's online platform.
 

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Yep, that is exactly what is happening lol. Xbox as a console manufacturer and competitor to Nintendo/Sony is effectively over and they're just gonna survive as a big multi platform publisher like EA and 2K.
I get the feeling this could potentially be the direction Microsoft could pretty much be heading into and shift their focus from being a console manufacturer to being a multi platform publisher.
 

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And speaking more in context, yeah i defintely see Master Chief joining in Smash 6 if those rumors about the Master Chief Collection on Swtich 2 are true. With everything that Microsoft has been doing in the last years with Xbox, it was safe to assume that they were turning full third-party, just like SEGA did in the 2000s.
 
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I just hope Master Chief isn’t the only Microsoft character we get if he does happen. I don’t really have anything against him joining but I have no personal connection to Halo like I do with several other Microsoft owned properties.

As for Kunio, I don’t think it’s out of the question. Like I mentioned, River City helped pioneer the Beat ‘em Up genre so I could see it. I personally prefer River City Girls to the main series so I’d rather see Misako than Kunio but I admit she’s a long shot at best.
 

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I'm starting to get the feeling that Microsoft is planning to leave the console market entirely just like how Sega left in the early 2000s.
I think there's something that goes underdiscussed with this kind of thing; unlike SEGA, Microsoft absolutely does have a future in the gaming space outside of just making physical console boxes or going multiplatform. Their big thing for the last decade or so has been streaming, and the idea of Xbox being everywhere - including your mobile phone or your computer - is something they seem to have already been pushing... so I could see that as a valid "exit strategy" of sorts on top of continuing to produce a few games here and there as a third-party publisher. That's just my two cents, though.
Out of topic, but what do y'all think of Kunio in Smash? I mean, it makes a lot of sense.
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I think it'd make a ton of sense too, and to be honest, I'd say Kunio's something of a dark horse pick. If anything, the only real barriers in place against his inclusion are probably whether ArcSys find themselves more interested in promoting a more "active" series like, say, Guilty Gear, and whether the next Smash game starts leaning away from third-party picks because of the difficulty of licensing things for Ultimate... but Kunio's a solid pick who I think would make a ton of sense. Then again, it could just as easily end up being Misako over Kunio... and in a similar vein to Akira's assist trophy being his polygonal form, I can totally see Kunio in his most iconic appearance in pixel form as an assist trophy of some kind.
 

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Yep, that is exactly what is happening lol. Xbox as a console manufacturer and competitor to Nintendo/Sony is effectively over and they're just gonna survive as a big multi platform publisher like EA and 2K.
I think the idea of "Microsoft is dropping out of console manufacturing" is maybe a little misleading, based on everything reported it seems like moreso that Microsoft will let third-party companies create consoles using the Xbox OS and branding. You would look at the consoles available and see, say, a Lenovo-produced Xbox, an ASUS-produced Xbox, etc. It makes sense because that's the tactic Microsoft always uses. Windows Surfaces exist but you can also order a Windows HP or DELL laptop or such, either way some money is going to Microsoft. It's effectively how they've dominated the PC space. It will always be advantageous for Microsoft to still sell Microsoft-produced Xboxes, they just won't be the only Xboxes on the market, and that might end up being effective, it's hard to say though.

In any case I think Microsoft continuing to be a big supporter of the Switch is no big surprise, I'm curious if later releases like Gears Of War E-Day will be day one or have staggered releases.
 

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I just hope Master Chief isn’t the only Microsoft character we get if he does happen. I don’t really have anything against him joining but I have no personal connection to Halo like I do with several other Microsoft owned properties.
Getting ahead of myself thinking about DLC already, but I personally don’t feel like it would just be him. Microsoft has a wealth of properties under its belt now and much like Banjo / Steve, there’s a lot of range in appeal, genre and aesthetic where I don’t think one should necessarily shoot down the other.

Chief and Crash seems like the obvious answer, probably too obvious, but that’s an example. I know you’re in favor of some other Rareware properties so I’d personally be all about Chief and Fulgore too. Not sure I’m counting on something like that but it would mirror Banjo and Steve being one easier, cheaper grab for nostalgia sake and another megaton evergreen icon.
 
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I think the idea of "Microsoft is dropping out of console manufacturing" is maybe a little misleading, based on everything reported it seems like moreso that Microsoft will let third-party companies create consoles using the Xbox OS and branding. You would look at the consoles available and see, say, a Lenovo-produced Xbox, an ASUS-produced Xbox, etc. It makes sense because that's the tactic Microsoft always uses. Windows Surfaces exist but you can also order a Windows HP or DELL laptop or such, either way some money is going to Microsoft. It's effectively how they've dominated the PC space. It will always be advantageous for Microsoft to still sell Microsoft-produced Xboxes, they just won't be the only Xboxes on the market, and that might end up being effective, it's hard to say though.

In any case I think Microsoft continuing to be a big supporter of the Switch is no big surprise, I'm curious if later releases like Gears Of War E-Day will be day one or have staggered releases.
tbh when I say that Xbox as a console manufacturer is "effectively" over, I really just mean that they're done being a serious competitor to Nintendo and PlayStation lol. Like they'll definitely make funny niche hardware like what the rumors are saying, but ultimately Xbox as an actual third competitor as we knew it since 2001 is pretty much over now.
 
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Them also mentioning CyGames still gives me hope for something Dragalia Lost-related, as slim as those chances are. I miss it everyday.
I don't really think it's that unlikely. A multiplayer game like Grandblue Fantasy Relink for Switch 2 would be great for the first year, add characters over the course of that first year and pair it with a new Dragalia Lost for mobile, and we could really see a resurgence of the IP.
If Famicom Detective Club can make a comeback, then pretty much any series can.
 

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Microsoft owns so many major subsidiaries it almost feels a little limiting picking only 2 options, they have a whole bevy of iconic characters under their ownership. It's come up a few times but I could definitely see a world where a Warcraft or Starcraft character gets in. In terms of legendary genre-defining iconic games which are ubiquitous worldwide, it's hard to beat those two, the original Starcraft was one of the N64's major console exclusives and has a massive eastern playerbase. If those rumours of a mouse implemented in the Joy-Con pan out I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the Starcraft games get ported to the Switch 2 either given they've recently been getting updates and have been put on Game Pass. World of Warcraft obviously wouldn't get a console port, but World of Warcraft basically speaks for itself.
 

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What do you all think are the odds of all Microsoft-owned characters in Smash Ultimate returning for the next game?
All two of them? Very likely.

Minecraft is the biggest game in the world, and the hard part of implementing Steve’s gimmick has already been done. Banjo & Kazooie are popular with the fanbase. And Microsoft seems pretty easy to work with, so I see both of them coming back.
 

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Getting ahead of myself thinking about DLC already, but I personally don’t feel like it would just be him. Microsoft has a wealth of properties under its belt now and much like Banjo / Steve, there’s a lot of range in appeal, genre and aesthetic where I don’t think one should necessarily shoot down the other.

Chief and Crash seems like the obvious answer, probably too obvious, but that’s an example. I know you’re in favor of some other Rareware properties so I’d personally be all about Chief and Fulgore too. Not sure I’m counting on something like that but it would mirror Banjo and Steve being one easier, cheaper grab for nostalgia sake and another megaton evergreen icon.
Yeah, I’m most interested in RARE and Blizzard, personally. I grew up playing RARE’s games on Nintendo consoles so they’ve always felt like honorary Nintendo characters to me. Rash, Fulgore, or even Joanna Dark would all be great Smash choices both due to their legacy connection to Nintendo and they’re just cool. I also played StarCraft and WarCraft 3 in high school and I’ve always loved Blizzard’s character design and lore. Illidan and Kerrigan would both offer a ton to Smash and have such unique designs that would really help them stand out.
 

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What do you all think are the odds of all Microsoft-owned characters in Smash Ultimate returning for the next game?
Steve I kind of feel like being a base game character will be the only way for half of those people who crashed Twitter going "WTF STEEV IN SMESH" will actually get a chance to play as him, since not everyone buys DLC even if they approve of the characters. And they'll at least know ahead of time about what gimmick they need to implement into every single stage.

Just...please for the love of God nerf him.
 

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All two of them? Very likely.

Minecraft is the biggest game in the world, and the hard part of implementing Steve’s gimmick has already been done. Banjo & Kazooie are popular with the fanbase. And Microsoft seems pretty easy to work with, so I see both of them coming back.
I don't know why but for a minute at least I thought they already had three for some reason lmao.

Still, I think I agree with that. Whether they get a newcomer or not, Minecraft is huge and B&K are still insanely popular despite having not had a new game in decades, If one (technically speaking since Banjo and Kazooie are two separate characters rolled into one fighter) of them were to go, I'd suspect it'd be Banjo-Kazooie, but I wouldn't be surprised if they returned as well given the years of fan support and requests they got.
 

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I don't really think it's that unlikely. A multiplayer game like Grandblue Fantasy Relink for Switch 2 would be great for the first year, add characters over the course of that first year and pair it with a new Dragalia Lost for mobile, and we could really see a resurgence of the IP.
If Famicom Detective Club can make a comeback, then pretty much any series can.
I don't think Famicom Detective Club was that high of a barrier. Sure, the 3rd(technically 4th) game was a surprise, but I didn't think remakes of the first two games was an almost-impossibility compared to something like Another Code.

IMO, if we got something like a remake or new game of something like Geist, StarTropics, Battalion Wars or Eternal Darkness, or even a Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. remaster, then we've definitely went past the barrier of "Anything is possible."
 
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I just hope Master Chief isn’t the only Microsoft character we get if he does happen. I don’t really have anything against him joining but I have no personal connection to Halo like I do with several other Microsoft owned properties.
Honestly, yeah, I'd second this. It's weird; I've never been a huge fan of the idea of guests being treated as anything more than "guests", but I feel like it's not entirely unlikely that the Smash series' trajectory is going to end up being more of a "gaming crossover" roster with heavy Nintendo bias. In cases like this, I totally see where you're coming from - Chief's all well and good, but there's a pretty significant number of Microsoft characters who feel genuinely pretty fitting in some way or another - be that fan demand (Crash), historical significance (Doomguy), or just straight up interesting moveset potential (D.Va.)
What do you all think are the odds of all Microsoft-owned characters in Smash Ultimate returning for the next game?
Honestly, pretty high for their own reasons. Banjo might be a little less likely than Steve, but the nostalgia market is totally enough on its own to justify his inclusion, given it's essentially signal-boosting the Banjo games and allowing Microsoft to be like "yeah, we're offering this game through Game Pass/NSO!" Plus, there's an element of fan demand there, so keeping them around just feels like a good call on all sides. And, well, Steve is Steve. Minecraft Steve. I genuinely think it's more likely that his entire moveset would be changed to make it less developmentally-intensive than that he'd be outright cut.
 

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The thing with Banjo and Steve that secures them for me is they just kind of feel like the most sensible (DLC) third party characters to prioritize, for opposite reasons yet fairly equivalent.

Banjo is for the fans, Steve is for the masses. Much like Mega Man before them, I anticipate Banjo & Kazooie are posed to be a series staple who their parent company will let Nintendo do just about anything with. Much like Sonic and Pac-Man, Steve is a universal icon whose very presence is a selling point for fans who only recognize a handful of characters.

I try to be fairly conservative about guest fighters. Full transparency, I would be much less upset to lose most of them than most people. But coming off the heels of Ultimate, most of the main "safe" third parties are agreed to be... the ones we already had in Smash 4, which I think is unrealistic. We simply aren't going to lose all of these highly anticipated, extremely popular newcomers. We will probably lose some, maybe more than some people would like, but I think we will maintain roughly half of the third parties we gained by proxy. Many of them are very popular, are from companies in good standing with Nintendo, and would be annoying to buy as DLC twice in a row.

I can't really foresee an outcome where Banjo and Steve are low priority. Even under the circumstance where Microsoft plays hardball for base roster, much like I see happening with Disney and Sora, the worst it will do is delay these characters from returning until DLC. And I'm not really the kind of person who feels comfortable flooding the roster with a dozen third parties... I just recognize how much series buzz rests within these characters, and Microsoft is now one of Nintendo's most valuable partners who is certainly going to want to come along for the ride once again in some capacity. There's no reason not to.
 

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I think that Western third party content is gonna be very rare, but when it does happen it will be big.
In comparison to Japanese content it will be more sparse, but I imagine it will be a step up in quantity (at least proportionally) from Ultimate. Third-party content tends to expand gradually (number of fighters, fighters per company, fighters per series, costumes, companies involved, roles for third-parties, etc), and I don't think this will be an exception. Especially given how untapped that category is comparatively.
 

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The thing with Banjo and Steve that secures them for me is they just kind of feel like the most sensible (DLC) third party characters to prioritize, for opposite reasons yet fairly equivalent.

Banjo is for the fans, Steve is for the masses. Much like Mega Man before them, I anticipate Banjo & Kazooie are posed to be a series staple who their parent company will let Nintendo do just about anything with. Much like Sonic and Pac-Man, Steve is a universal icon whose very presence is a selling point for fans who only recognize a handful of characters.

I try to be fairly conservative about guest fighters. Full transparency, I would be much less upset to lose most of them than most people. But coming off the heels of Ultimate, most of the main "safe" third parties are agreed to be... the ones we already had in Smash 4, which I think is unrealistic. We simply aren't going to lose all of these highly anticipated, extremely popular newcomers. We will probably lose some, maybe more than some people would like, but I think we will maintain roughly half of the third parties we gained by proxy. Many of them are very popular, are from companies in good standing with Nintendo, and would be annoying to buy as DLC twice in a row.

I can't really foresee an outcome where Banjo and Steve are low priority. Even under the circumstance where Microsoft plays hardball for base roster, much like I see happening with Disney and Sora, the worst it will do is delay these characters from returning until DLC. And I'm not really the kind of person who feels comfortable flooding the roster with a dozen third parties... I just recognize how much series buzz rests within these characters, and Microsoft is now one of Nintendo's most valuable partners who is certainly going to want to come along for the ride once again in some capacity. There's no reason not to.
Not to mention Sakurai outright saying that licensing was pretty easy for Banjo, so like I've been saying for a while now, being super easy to license and the number 2 most popular Ballot pick after Sora? That's such a low-risk, high-reward character to bring back I'd be astounded if it didn't end up happening.

And of course Steve being in base game means it's more likely for him to be harshly nerfed, just like Meta Knight and Bayonetta before him, which I'd prefer lol
 
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