Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[DarthEnderX]

Playing Ultimate for more then 10 years would be boring since the amount of content wouldn’t be enough if there is a Switch 2 Edition. There really should be new modes and stuff being overhauled.

And why wouldn't Ultimate S2E have those things? Mario Party S2E is adding new modes and Kirby S2E is adding a whole new story mode.

Why would you want a Switch 2 Edition of Ultimate anyway?

Because I'd rather have more EiH, than Smash 6 with roster cuts.

There’s a contingent of fans who are adamant about maintaining the roster above all else.

Yeah!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

That depends on the definition of a Fire Emblem all star, I guess.

If we're talking likely to come back next game, I'd give first dibs on that to Marth, Byleth, Robin, and Ike, probably with Lucina coming back if she fits in closer to the end, since she's an Echo/clone.

Otherwise, I'd need more info lol

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That depends on the definition of a Fire Emblem all star, I guess.

If we're talking likely to come back next game, I'd give first dibs on that to Marth, Byleth, Robin, and Ike, probably with Lucina coming back if she fits in closer to the end, since she's an Echo/clone.

Otherwise, I'd need more info lol

Outside the context of Smash, who do you think the most important FE characters are?

 

[Ivander]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

looks at Engage

I think all of them are to an extent. Or at least IS thinks so.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

If I had to add an extra character that isn't recency bias (Three Houses or Engage), then it would probably be Lyn like how she is shown alongside Marth and Ike in the Nintendo Today! app. Either Edelgard and Alear if it’s recency bias.

 

[cashregister9]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

All of them tbh, This roster + Lyn + Edelgard (and the other 2 as well tbh) I would say is the most agreed upon and least controversial set of "Most popular fire emblem characters."

 

[NintenRob]

I almost feel like Lucina edges out Chrom and Robin? Wasn't she used represent Awakening in engage while Chrom and Robin were bonus DLC. Not mention I think she was used more (or at least earlier) in the story of Fire Emblem Warriors.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

It’s not often I agree with Delzethin (especially his… “interesting” character choices) But I’d say he’s onto something with the Switch 2 Edition idea. We still don’t know what that 2D action game being developed by Bamco Studio 2/S is, and I don’t think it’s implausible for something Smash related to be in development alongside Kirby Air Riders. In fact, on Sakurai’s Youtube video on the development of Kirby Air Ride, he mentioned that the reason he chose to make a racing game was because he wanted to develop a game more quickly than a standard action game.

Because of the relatively shorter development time of the genre, and the fact that we know this is the secret project he’s been working on since 2022, who’s to say that he also couldn’t be working on something else in the meantime?
Also Delzethin mirrored my idea of Smash trying to eventually achieve 100 characters in a single roster, which I found kinda funny.

There’s been quite a few influencers I follow that seems to think that this is the case. I don’t know either way honestly but if Studio 2 is making this then it is possible that Studio S has been working on Smash but that REALLY seems like Copium.

Then again, Sakurai has done weirder things… Like going back to the Kirby Franchise after 20 years specifically for an Air Ride sequel.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I almost feel like Lucina edges out Chrom and Robin? Wasn't she used represent Awakening in engage while Chrom and Robin were bonus DLC. Not mention I think she was used more (or at least earlier) in the story of Fire Emblem Warriors.

I mean she did represent Awakening in Engage pre-DLC, but Robin has an actual unique moveset (as opposed to Lucina being a clone) that I think should be kept while also representing a very important FE game.

Outside the context of Smash, who do you think the most important FE characters are?

If it's outside the context of Smash, obviously Marth gets the top billing, and then I'd probably put the Awakening characters after him, but beyond that it's kind of hard to say? Like Ike is popular (though that also might partially be BECAUSE of Smash lol), but in the grand scheme of Fire Emblem I'm not sure if that makes him one of the most important if that makes sense?

I also haven't played many of the older games, so I dunno that I'm really able to speak on this one too definitively lmao

 

[Thegameandwatch]

I mean she did represent Awakening in Engage pre-DLC, but Robin has an actual unique moveset (as opposed to Lucina being a clone) that I think should be kept while also representing a very important FE game.

I think both Robin and Lucina will stay if there is any cuts and especially the latter since she was easy to add since only her neutral special and down special were altered outside of the tipper mechanic being gone and small changes.

While Chrom is popular, he probably the most likely to get cut from the 3 Awakening characters.

If it's outside the context of Smash, obviously Marth gets the top billing, and then I'd probably put the Awakening characters after him, but beyond that it's kind of hard to say? Like Ike is popular (though that also might partially be BECAUSE of Smash lol), but in the grand scheme of Fire Emblem I'm not sure if that makes him one of the most important if that makes sense?

I also haven't played many of the older games, so I dunno that I'm really able to speak on this one too definitively lmao

Lot of the Three Houses characters are popular to the point where the 3 Lords are more popular then Byleth. Edelgard is the most popular from Three Houses but also the most divisive.

 

[jamesster445]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

Marth, Ike, Lucina, and Byleth. And then there's Lyn.

 

[Pupp135]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

This is an interesting question to think about given the unique nature of Fire Emblem’s cast. I’d say that Marth, Lucina, and Chrom are probably the most prominent ones from a marketing perspective given that Marth appeared in Dragalia Lost, and he was also a major character in Engage. Lucina and Chrom play a big role given Awakening’s role as the series renaissance.

After that, it becomes a little more complicated. Ike is a popular character even if that may be attributed to SSB, but he still is one of the lords highlighted on Nintendo’s website. Lyn also has some notable appearances too, and is also incredibly popular within the Fire Emblem community. Three Houses was the series’s most successful game so far, so I could see Byleth and the House Lords (Edelgard is the most notable of the three) fit this.

In summary, Marth, Lucina, and Chrom are the biggest allstars followed by Lyn, Ike, Byleth, and the House Lords.

 

[SharkLord]

Outside the context of Smash, who do you think the most important FE characters are?

Nintendo's Japanese site and Nintendo Today use Marth, Lyn, and Ike- The first Lord in the series, the first Lord the West got to meet in Fire Emblem, and one of the most popular Lords. After that, at least one character from Awakening and Three Houses - Lucina's really popular, and Edelgard seems to be the most popular (And divisive) from Three Houses. After that, I'm not sure

 

[NintenRob]

mean she did represent Awakening in Engage pre-DLC, but Robin has an actual unique moveset (as opposed to Lucina being a clone) that I think should be kept while also representing a very important FE game.

I was primarily talking about outside the context of Smash like Swamp asked

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

Marth, Ike, Robin, & Lucina. Throw Roy in there if the context is Super Smash Bros.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I was primarily talking about outside the context of Smash like Swamp asked

Ah okay, probably so in that case then lol

 

[Hadokeyblade]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

The only ones who don't belong are Roy and Corrin since their games aren't that good compared to the others.

You know if were talking about the FE series itself.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

Marth, Chrom and Byleth.

Outside the context of Smash, who do you think the most important FE characters are?

The OG, and the stars of the most popular games.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Marth, Chrom and Byleth.

The OG, and the stars of the most popular games.

So Marth, Ike, Chrom and Byleth.

Since the latter three are the protagonists of the most popular FE entries.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Since the latter three are the protagonists of the most popular FE entries.

No FE game was popular before Awakening.

 

[Ivander]

The only ones who don't belong are Roy and Corrin since their games aren't that good compared to the others.

You know if were talking about the FE series itself.

Fates Conquest is regarded as one of the best FEs gameplay-wise and Fates in general introduced the Base Hub area(which would bring Cooking, Farmable items, talking with characters outside of battles, increasing their supports with tasks, being able to dress and give accessories to your characters, etc) that would be brought back and expanded in future games, including Three Houses. It's really just Fates' story that people have so many issues with.

Corrin would also be the start of the Avatar Lord characters that are also "The Main Character"(Byleth, Alear and arguably Shez), as while Kris and Robin were main characters, they were not, "The Main Character." which Marth and Chrom were.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Fates Conquest is regarded as one of the best FEs gameplay-wise and Fates in general introduced the Base Hub area...

Ah so I can also blame Fates for introducing the 30 minute chores session part of Fire Emblem.



...I'm kidding, but I do think it's kind of the weakest part of these games.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

No FE game was popular before Awakening.

And that's the era Ike falls in.

 

[Ivander]

Ah so I can also blame Fates for introducing the 30 minute chores session part of Fire Emblem.



...I'm kidding, but I do think it's kind of the weakest part of these games.

I don't know or remember how bad it is for Three Houses, but from what I remember, Fates' hub was nowhere near a chore. At least it always took me like 1-2 minutes to finish stuff.

 

[Fa7oFuru]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

Good question and not one I'm too confident in being able to answer because I'm not as familiar with the Fire Emblem series as others are but from what I understand, and I'm answering because I want someone who knows more about FE than I do to either confirm or deny but I feel it'd be; Marth, Ike and Chrom. In terms of like being the faces of the franchise from the characters in Smash.

I'd also add Robin and maybe Byleth if we're talking purely about who should/will return next game

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't know or remember how bad it is for Three Houses, but from what I remember, Fates' hub was nowhere near a chore. At least it always took me like 1-2 minutes to finish stuff.

Honestly I think lost items were the problem with the hubs in that game. Without guides you kinda spend your time talking to literally everyone to find out who it belongs to, and you're incentivized to look through every square inch of the place since lost items can appear anywhere in Garreg Mach. Apparantly these items appear where characters were standing in the previous month, and said locations correspond to their characters, but ain't no way my goldfish memory is going to handle memorizing the previous and current locations of 20+ characters.

EDIT: I could also be projecting a bit of my decision paralysis on the area since that's where it strikes, but it's not really the hub's fault so much as me struggling to truly understand how builds work in crunchy RPGs like Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles X.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Honestly I think lost items were the problem with the hubs in that game. Without guides you kinda spend your time talking to literally everyone to find out who it belongs to, and you're incentivized to look through every square inch of the place since lost items can appear anywhere in Garreg Mach. Apparantly these items appear where characters were standing in the previous month, and said locations correspond to their characters, but ain't no way my goldfish memory is going to handle memorizing the previous and current locations of 20+ characters.

Spoiler

It also becomes impossible to even give some of the lost items to characters such as in Black Eagles depending on what route was chosen at the end of part 1.

Hilda is a weird example where it was apparently possible to find her lost item in Black Eagles which is a problem since it's only possible to give it back in chapter 12 of Silver Snow because she isn't treated as a regular NPC in Black Eagles until Edelgard leaves.

 

[DarthEnderX]

And that's the era Ike falls in.

No it's not? Ike's games came out 5 years before Awakening, and it sold 5 times what any of Ike's games did.

 

[Louie G.]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

If I were to be stingy - Marth, Ike, Chrom, Lucina. These seem like the characters who have really resounded with audiences independent of Smash. Perhaps Roy as well, in sort of a self fulfilling prophecy way. I remember last I checked he was ranking pretty high among FE fan polls, no doubt because Smash introduced many to the series in the first place. Robin, Corrin and Byleth are not explicitly unpopular or anything, but I feel like Smash values these guys more than the actual fanbase rallies behind them. Whereas the aforementioned four are among the most persisting and popular characters in the series, consistently.

Laying it out this way the obvious absences would be Lyn and the Three Houses gang. Can't think of anyone else who comes especially close.

To clarify though, I'm not advocating that cutting FE down to these four is the right answer or anything... I think that'd be a pretty boring lineup. I like that Smash has taken liberties with someone like Robin despite Chrom and Lucina often taking center stage for Awakening star power.

 

[fogbadge]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

Marth, Ike, Chorm, Lucina, Byleth

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

No it's not? Ike's games came out 5 years before Awakening, and it sold 5 times what any of Ike's games did.

I think Hado meant that Ike is from the pre-Awakening era. With that said, I don't see how Ike's popularity means the Tellius games are popular as well.

However, Ike himself is popular enough among both Smash and FE fans that it's still reasonable to see him as a Fire Emblem all-star. His legacy transcends mere sales numbers.

 

[DarthEnderX]

However, Ike himself is popular enough among both Smash and FE fans that it's still reasonable to see him as a Fire Emblem all-star.

If the main reason you're popular is because you're in Smash, can you really be considered a FE all-star?

Chrom and Byleth would be considered FE all-stars even without Smash, because their games are all-star FE games.

Without Smash, nobody would care very much about Roy or Ike.

 

[Gengar84]

If the main reason you're popular is because you're in Smash, can you really be considered a FE all-star?

Chrom and Byleth would be considered FE all-stars even without Smash, because their games are all-star FE games.

Without Smash, nobody would care very much about Roy or Ike.

Ike’s games are actually my favorite Fire Emblem games. The story was cool and I loved being able to recruit so many characters in the battles themselves. That’s something Three Houses lacked. Plus, it had a lot of characters I really liked like Naesala, Tibarn, Zihark, the Black Knight, Soren and Lucia.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Especially since Smash hasn’t missed a home console for original games.

Neither did Mario Kart until y'know. Their best-selling title

Yeah. I don't really care about roster size. What I care about is gameplay and how those characters play. I have a major "quality over quantity" approach. I would happily buy the game even if the roster was cut down to 30 characters.

"Quality over Quantity" Overestimating the parity of this ratio. As if quality won't decrease with a paltry roster. How can you properly represent anything with such a small number


Don't why the dilemma between said options are drastic extremes where the roster needs to cut to small extremes like 15-30 characters just add dozen modes as quality. Would the trade even be worth it?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Neither did Mario Kart until y'know. Their best-selling title

Yes but it being a port wasn't why MK8D sold as much as it did, it was because it was practically a new game to people who never had a certain flop of a console.

"Quality over Quantity"

To be honest SSBU isn't even the biggest case of quantity over quality when it comes to fighting game rosters anyway. The DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi/Sparking games tend to have bigger rosters, and they achieve that by making everyone a variation of the same moveset, not being as visually polished as games with smaller rosters, and various other more notable corner cuts..

 

[Watuna4343]

I just don't want to pay $80 for a new game.

And if a Switch 2 upgrade is the only way to achieve that, so be it.

Meanwhile you want to pay for a game you already own? (And very likely without the DLC might I add)

 

[Guynamednelson]

Meanwhile you want to pay for a game you already own? (And very likely without the DLC might I add)

I'm assuming a Switch 2 Upgrade would only be $20 for people who already own a game's Switch 1 version.

But if the Switch 2 Upgrade still requires me to rebuy the DLC...yeah that will be a problem. I mean I want to avoid paying $80 here so I should object to paying for a $20 upgrade...and then spending $60 on rebuying the two passes and Piranha Plant.

 

[Oracle Link]

Which Newcomers/Content do you wanna see in a potential Super Smash Bros Ultimate Switch 2 Edition!

THIS IS WHAT I WANNA SEE (PERSONAL OPINION)
NEWCOMERS:

Echoes/ Costumes:

STAGES:

 

[PersonAngelo53]

Ultimate's DLC characters wouldn't become base roster in a hypothetical Switch 2 Edition scenario. They'd remain DLC.

https://www.ign.com/articles/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wilds-nintendo-switch-2-edition-wont-include-the-dlc

You actually need to have bought the BOTW DLC to access it on the Switch 2 Edition of BOTW. If an hypothetical Switch 2 Edition of Ultimate came out, you'd still need to have bought both Fighter Passes to use those characters.

This is such a non issue if you already own the dlc content tho.