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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

The Stoopid Unikorn

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Probably have backslash from not just Smash players because their design is very controversial even by FE fans.
Not gonna lie, I was in that camp before the game came out. Then I played the game and the pieces of "why X is like this?" or "why does Alear have Y?" started to connect together and now I actually love them.
 

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This could apply to both games, but Salmon Run. A rundown barge is a pretty unique idea for a stage, we don’t have many Smash stages taking place at sunset, and it would rep a full, new mode starting with Splatoon 2.
Man a "definitely not a zombie survival" stage would go so hard.

Alear due to being a Fire Emblem character 😔

Unless I keep missing like, every instance of them being talked about which would hurt my soul
They're extra controversial because:
  • Very few people here like them in the first place.
  • People want the next Fire Emblem rep to not be a sword lord/avatar.
  • Their gimmick is either disconfirming all the characters people actually want, tacking previously playable characters onto a different moveset, or ghost Marth. So bad idea, worse idea, and potentially visually confusing idea.
 

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They're extra controversial because:
  • Very few people here like them in the first place.
  • People want the next Fire Emblem rep to not be a sword lord/avatar.
  • Their gimmick is either disconfirming all the characters people actually want, tacking previously playable characters onto a different moveset, or ghost Marth. So bad idea, worse idea, and potentially visually confusing idea.
And saying Alear could be a really cool addition for Smash is the hill I will choose to die on!

No hater will stop me from believing that!
 
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Their gimmick is either disconfirming all the characters people actually want, tacking previously playable characters onto a different moveset,
If Alear does go the Emblemon Trainer route, their Emblems should be characters who've never been playable in Smash before.

Can't deconfirm Lyn if you make 95% of everything that would go into a solo Lyn moveset anyway.
 

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Ring Fit Trainer, Tetris Block(seriously), Abby, Another Arms rep, Pauline, Elma
I'm pretty sure Matt would get over Abby. Not just because Matt has alot more notoriety, but Matt is both a Boxing and Swordplay champion whereas Abby is only good at swordplay. Besides Matt also uses a purple sword, so that's another point for him.
 

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I'm pretty sure Matt would get over Abby. Not just because Matt has alot more notoriety, but Matt is both a Boxing and Swordplay champion whereas Abby is only good at swordplay. Besides Matt also uses a purple sword, so that's another point for him.
Ngl, since TLOU kept getting brought up earlier, I legitimately thought Nabbit was referring to Abby from TLOU2
 

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Ngl, since TLOU kept getting brought up earlier, I legitimately thought Nabbit was referring to Abby from TLOU2
I'm pretty sure TLOU2 is what Nabbit went for. Ivan is just being a silly because "Abby" is also one of the names of the Wii Sports CPUs.
 

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And saying Alear could be a really cool addition for Smash is the hill I will choose to die on!

No hater will stop me from believing that!
Personally, I think they could be cool. From what I've seen of Engage, I quite like them, and I don't think the "ghost Marth" idea would be as confusing as people think, especially since Emblem Marth would be see-through, glowey, and stapled to Alears back 99% of the time.

Don't think I wanna see Emblem Swapping on them though. If we're doing that, I think Kiran would be a better fit anyway, and then you could play as a guy with a gun that shoots anime girls. :upsidedown:

If Alear does go the Emblemon Trainer route, their Emblems should be characters who've never been playable in Smash before.

Can't deconfirm Lyn if you make 95% of everything that would go into a solo Lyn moveset anyway.
The idea is more "and their side special summons Lyn who does a slash!" rather than any sort of swap character, which is much less appealing.
 

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I was arguing that Crash the character was more relevant and popular at his peak than ****ing Abby from LoU2 ever was.
Oh, specifically Abby? Yeah, almost certainly. She hasn't even shown up in the show yet.

So, which Gen 9 Pokemon has your favor ?
None really. But I guess Meowscarada to complete the Dark Starter trio.

Based on Moray Towers being the Splatoon 1 stage, clearly Sakurai has an eye for the stuff fans absolutely ****ing hate.
So what you're saying is...we're getting Raz from Psychonauts and a Meat Circus stage!

I guess this is now the Next Smash - Gatekeeping Discussion Thread
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They're extra controversial because:
  • Very few people here like them in the first place.
  • People want the next Fire Emblem rep to not be a sword lord/avatar.
  • Their gimmick is either disconfirming all the characters people actually want, tacking previously playable characters onto a different moveset, or ghost Marth. So bad idea, worse idea, and potentially visually confusing idea.
I mean it's either we get the Sword Lord/Avatar with Emblems or we get the next Sword Lord/Avatar with whatever the mechanics in the next FE entail, because I highly doubt FE is gonna drop Avatar characters any time soon, and they're usually pretty important/definitively the main character and typically use swords, and IntSys always throws around the player character for Smash lol

EDIT: heck, depending on the timing, we could even get BOTH just like Robin and Corrin in Smash 4, one in base game, one in DLC lol
 
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I'm pretty sure TLOU2 is what Nabbit went for. Ivan is just being a silly because "Abby" is also one of the names of the Wii Sports CPUs.
Abby is also the name of one of the Sportsmates from Nintendo Switch Sports, which is another possibility if Nabbit isn't referring to Abby from TLOU2.
 
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The idea is more "and their side special summons Lyn who does a slash!" rather than any sort of swap character, which is much less appealing.
I know, I was suggesting a fourth idea where Alear swaps between FE characters who were never playable in the first place.

The main problem I have with Alear swapping between the pre-existing FE reps is that it's a way to purge the FE reps in a way that literally only works if you only care about staring at the roster. If people can still play as Marth, Roy, Ike, Lucina, Robin, Corrin, Chrom, and Byleth in some form and they still have most of their moves...you didn't purge the FE reps. Furthermore, they made all-new Pokemon movesets for PT rather than merging Pikachu and Jigglypuff together, so why wouldn't they make new FE movesets for Alear as Emblemon Trainer?
 
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A bit late to the talk about Sakurai's Super Special Secret Project, but I think the best argument in favor of "Not Smash" I've seen is that Bandai-Namco has been developing Smash for over a decade now, and just recently solidified a dedicated team for working with Nintendo. Sakurai said whatever he's working on needed him to put a whole new team together, which seems rather illogical when you've already got a perfectly good team that's worked on Smash before. I'm on team "Not Smash" because of that
 

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Until official confirmation that cuts are happening, all stay until then. Though, I will miss King K Rool if he does get cut.....
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What I worry currently are the Mii's status for Switch 2.
 

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I mean it's either we get the Sword Lord/Avatar with Emblems or we get the next Sword Lord/Avatar with whatever the mechanics in the next FE entail, because I highly doubt FE is gonna drop Avatar characters any time soon, and they're usually pretty important/definitively the main character and typically use swords, and IntSys always throws around the player character for Smash lol
I don't think Avatar characters are going to be dropped since they've been heavily gravitating to Smash ever since Smash 4 introduced Villager, Wii Fit Trainer AND Robin in base(and technically Mii Fighters), Corrin for Smash 4 DLC and then Inkling, Byleth and Steve/Alex for Smash Ultimate. And then not only do you have Alear and Kiran from Fire Emblem, but:
  • Octolings from Splatoon 2/3, the Ring Fit Trainers, and Officer Howard from Astral Chain are notable requests
  • There's the Rookie Rescue Officer from Pikmin 4 who some suspect could be paired with Oatchi
  • And Cross from Xenoblade X has their game getting a definitive release and there's the possibility of their character being expanded upon.
Like them or not, these type of characters certainly aren't disappearing from Nintendo anytime soon.
 
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What I worry currently are the Mii's status for Switch 2.
Considering that most Switch games will presumably be backwards compatible (I personally figure when they said some games aren't, it mostly means stuff like Labo or Ring Fit because the ring wouldn't be able to house the new Joycons, meaning they'll probably make a new one for that), I highly doubt Miis are going anywhere. They probably still won't have a major focus, similar to the Switch, but I doubt they're going anywhere because of MK8 Deluxe, Smash Ultimate, games like Miitopia, possibly Switch Sports, etc.
 
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A bit late to the talk about Sakurai's Super Special Secret Project, but I think the best argument in favor of "Not Smash" I've seen is that Bandai-Namco has been developing Smash for over a decade now, and just recently solidified a dedicated team for working with Nintendo. Sakurai said whatever he's working on needed him to put a whole new team together, which seems rather illogical when you've already got a perfectly good team that's worked on Smash before. I'm on team "Not Smash" because of that
If it’s not Smash then I hope it’s not too long since it could mean that Smash 6 could have more then 10 year gap between it and Ultimate depending on when the next project releases.
 

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If it’s not Smash then I hope it’s not too long since it could mean that Smash 6 could have more then 10 year gap between it and Ultimate depending on when the next project releases.
Smash usually drops about two years or so into a console's lifespan, so a 2026-2027 release doesn't sound too unreasonable. That's about 8-9 years between Ultimate and 6, and about 5-6 between Sora's release and the new game's beginning
 

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Upset that there's no racers from Puyo Puyo
looks there doing homages to sega games in sonic stages
Metal Harbor = After Burner
Asteroid Coaster (?) = Galaxy Force
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They could do an eggman stage with mean bean/puyo theme to it, would be cool.
 
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Why do we live in a timeline where people genuinely think Crash Bandicoot isn’t popular
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Sadly, people's opinion changes to more popular character(s) that are still highly requested or current fad. So, in return make Crash Bandicoot an enemy of their choice.

Though, it could be a blessing in disguise as it does make the surprise factor weight more if he does get in. Take it on how you believe it. Heck, my character(s) picks might not be popular after the Fighter Pass 1 & 2 ended.
 

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Why do we live in a timeline where people genuinely think Crash Bandicoot isn’t popular
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I mean I don't think Crash is UNpopular per se, it's just now he has a lot more competition to go up against including Doom and Halo, and the future of his series is very up in the air since Toys for Bob is indie and Vicarious Visions is basically a CoD support studio now, so his support has waned a fair amount lol
 

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I mean I don't think Crash is UNpopular per se, it's just now he has a lot more competition to go up against including Doom and Halo, and the future of his series is very up in the air since Toys for Bob is indie and Vicarious Visions is basically a CoD support studio now, so his support has waned a fair amount lol
Also, he was spared from Activision Blizzard's wake by going indie. So, his series is clear from a major roadblock. Rayman's fate on the other hand......
 

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I have a feeling we're going to get at least one first party newcomer very few people are predicting in the base game (unless, it has only like 5-6 newcomers base or something.)
....Like a character like Big Man from Splatoon 3, Sukapon from Joy Mech Fight or Falinks from Pokemon Sword/Shield (Not saying those will get in, just examples of curveballs that very few people expect).
 

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I have a feeling we're going to get at least one first party newcomer very few people are predicting in the base game
I feel like it'll be more than one because some people don't want to admit base game newcomers aren't just about playing catch-up.
 

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looks there doing homages to sega games in sonic stages
Metal Harbor = After Burner
Asteroid Coaster (?) = Galaxy ForceView attachment 399001
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They could do an eggman stage with mean bean/puyo theme to it, would be cool.
complete with an Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog reference
The dinosaur one can be from Dinosaur King, and the Kraken one to the Majima game
 

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I have a feeling we're going to get at least one first party newcomer very few people are predicting in the base game (unless, it has only like 5-6 newcomers base or something.)
Yeah, that's typically at least the token surprise character at a minimum. :p
 

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The first TLOU game sold 30 million with the second game selling 10 million. One game outsold 90% of Crash's output and still getting support with TV shows and remasters from Sony favorably

Lot more vitality than Crash who basically dead in the water at Microsoft. US marketing from 30 years can only hold for so long
Sells alone is not what makes a game more relevant. Otherwise, you might as well say Minecraft is more relevant than Halo. Or...pretty much any series, including Mario.

As for support, Crash has also appeared in the Skylanders game (something even Nintendo collaborated on) and the animated series. Heck, there almost a Crash animated series way back in the 90s. Let's not forget, the original Crash games got remakes too.

We're not sure how Microsoft is going to treat the Crash series but no matter what, it can't erase its legacy and accomplishments as a console mascot.
 

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Also, he was spared from Activision Blizzard's wake by going indie. So, his series is clear from a major roadblock. Rayman's fate on the other hand......
I mean Crash wasn't, unless I missed the bit about Toys for Bob taking the IP with them. The only case I saw of that recently was the Hi-Fi Rush team getting their IP back thanks to the PUBG publisher with plans to make a sequel.

As far as I know, Crash and Spyro are still owned by Microsoft as part of Activision's IP library.
 
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All I know is I'm dreading when we're actually in a post-announcement period and having to hear about how Crash (or Hayabusa or Geno) is the next reveal for sure because of X, Y, and/or Z on a regular basis.
All it needs is a proper spark and speculation will fly. Sakurai and/or a reveal intro.
Though, I wonder how the reveal trailer will be for the next Smash Bros? Should it change or stay?
 

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I have a name y'know. If you have proof for Crash's geniune support and relevancy before Banjo's reveal or the remasters i'm all ears.

The first TLOU game sold 30 million with the second game selling 10 million. One game outsold 90% of Crash's output and still getting support with TV shows and remasters from Sony favorably

Lot more vitality than Crash who basically dead in the water at Microsoft. US marketing from 30 years can only hold for so long
Sorry Nabbitfan730, if that even is your real name :dazwa:. After the release of the N. Sane trilogy there was a lot more support, he started placing highly in pretty much every fan poll since then, several of which I’ve already shared with you. If that’s not good enough for you I don’t know how else I’m supposed to to prove this outside of anecdotal evidence, but I’m sure a lot of the people here who were around back then would back me up on this if you really want to bother them about it.

I don’t know where you are getting the info that the original game sold 30 million copies, but based on official sources that I could find the series sales goes like this.
The Last of Us (PS3) 8.4 million
The Last of Us Remastered (PS4) 11.79 million
The Last of us Part II 10 million

It looks like based on the officially released sales numbers the series as a whole has sold 30 million copies, not the original LoU on its own. Though to be fair this number is definitely higher when you add the Part I remake and Part II remaster which don’t have official sales numbers from what I can tell, aside from the Windows version of Part I selling $368,000 in the span of a month.

Our last Crash game was less than 2 years ago, Microsoft only acquired the rights to the series little over a year ago, I know Microsoft hasn’t been the best about handling the IPs, but maybe give them some time before jumping to the conclusion that the series is dead.

I’m not trying to argue the Crash Bandicoot series is currently more popular and relevant than The Last of Us, it is not. I’m saying the idea that at this moment the controversial deuteragonist of the 2nd LoU game is more popular and relevant than Crash was at his peak is laughable.

People still obviously care about Crash, the N Sane trilogy sold 20 million copies, we don’t have the sales numbers of CTR Nitro Fueled, but it was confirmed that it had the franchises best debut sales month, so it probably sold a lot, Crash 4 sold over 5 million copies, which isn’t gangbuster numbers, but it’s nothing to scoff at.

Do you think marketing is the only reason Crash games sell well? I’m curious what your personal thoughts are on this series, because it feels like there is some bias here.
 
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