Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Thegameandwatch]

I second that. Pokémon Sword/Shield has a grand total of 4 double battles in the entire game, and they're always the most fun of each run.

There's also like, 5 or so multi-battles with Hop, but watching his Wooloo/Dubwool flail about isn't nearly as engaging as strategizing yourself using your own team.

I heard that there is only double battles in the Ghost Gym if it’s about base Scarlet and Violet.

The fact that Battle Facilities are gone meant that DLC is the only way to have more than that outside of online.

 

[fogbadge]

I heard that there is only double battles in the Ghost Gym if it’s about base Scarlet and Violet.

Yep

 

[DarthEnderX]

Because at that point it was too late. Almost 2 years in when the system desperately needed a killer app like MK.

Remember MK8 in 2014 months after the release PS4/Xbox One and less than year before the NX was announced. If Mario Kart 8 was Day One/Launch Season like Switch, U would've sold gangbusters.

That doesn't make any sense.

If MK would have made people by a console they didn't want at launch, it would have made them buy a console they didn't want 2 years later.

 

[BrawlX10]

Idk why I’m just now replying to this, but lemme just say: I highly doubt Ultimate will be the end after how much it sold.

Even if we get a Ultimate Deluxe there's going to be a Smash 6 eventually even if it's 25 years from now or something.
"Last Smash game in the forseable/near future?" would be a far better title for the video personally, imo.

 

[SharkLord]

So I might as well say it over here.

The third party poll has resumed it's development but some changes had to happen. Originally I was going to do exactly the same kind of poll. I'd give character choices for every new IP. For the first party poll, that had a clear beginning and end, so it was easily doable.

But third parties are literally endless. I couldn't do it. I either had to change the poll or not release it. Returning franchises will still have lots of characters to choose from. But new franchises will be done in a different way from here on.

Each company will have a page with all their IPs on it. I will be asking what IP you want to get a character in Smash. It's not as exact as it was before and I know we wouldn't get as much detailed data as before. But it was too big to do at the scale I was attempting. At least it was too big to do on my own.

So yeah, when the third party poll is out, you'll be voting for characters with returning franchises and IPs for brand new franchises.

Any questions or concerns?

After this poll is wrapped up, would it be worth having a poll for most popular characters from the top newest IPs? Of course, some series reps are non-negotiable - We're not getting Rayman fighters without the title character, or Doom without Doomguy, so it depends the results. But still, if we see something like Tales of or League of Legends getting strong results, where there's some clear obvious choices but a wide variety of candidates to choose from, it might be worth having a sort of epilogue poll to review who people were thinking of when they voted for that series.

After a break, of course. I can tell this poll alone is a lot of work, and I'd imagine you wouldn't want to dive right back in immediately afterwards.

 

[ninjahmos]

Idk why I’m just now replying to this, but lemme just say: I highly doubt Ultimate will be the end after how much it sold.

Yeah, at this point, Smash as a series sells way too highly for it to ever end.

 

[Schnee117]

That doesn't make any sense.

If MK would have made people by a console they didn't want at launch, it would have made them buy a console they didn't want 2 years later.

I mean, having Mario Kart at launch gives an actual reason to buy the system at launch. No one wanted to buy the system because the marketing was awful and there was **** all on it that actually appealed to people outside of small enthusiast forums. By the time Mario Kart and Smash were out it was way too late because the only other mass appeal game that released post launch was Super Mario 3d World.

We joke that PS3 and PS5 have no games but the Wii U almost quite genuinely had no games.

 

[Noipoi]

I mean, having Mario Kart at launch gives an actual reason to buy the system at launch. No one wanted to buy the system because the marketing was awful and there was **** all on it that actually appealed to people outside of small enthusiast forums. By the time Mario Kart and Smash were out it was way too late because the only other mass appeal game that released post launch was Super Mario 3d World.

We joke that PS3 and PS5 have no games but the Wii U almost quite genuinely had no games.

This is Game & Wario erasure

 

[HyperSomari64]

That doesn't make any sense.

If MK would have made people by a console they didn't want at launch, it would have made them buy a console they didn't want 2 years later.

The only time Mortal Kombat was a launch title was in the GBA

 

[BrawlX10]

Yeah, at this point, Smash as a series sells way too highly for it to ever end.

I mean i think it's not completely impossible that the series eventually "ends", i'm talking about 100+ years from now at absolute minimum as the series might've completely peaked by then and just turn it into live-service like MultiVersus or interest simply vanishes and there's a more popular crossover game that takes it's place, but like eding the series at Ultimate feels waay too early to me, i think Smash as a series still has a lot to explore/offer to justify at very least a Smash 6.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

That doesn't make any sense.

If MK would have made people by a console they didn't want at launch, it would have made them buy a console they didn't want 2 years later.

People didn't want the console at launch because they wasn't worthwhile to play. Nothing

Not sure if you were there but the Wii U was notorious for Droughts especially 2012-13. Don't let Switch Season fool you. You had wait from Nintendo Land/NSMBU from Nov 2012 until Aug 2013 for something like Pikmin 3. Not 3D Mario, Zelda, AC or even Metroid or Kirby. Pikmin. C-tier title.

Imagine if the Switch only came with 1-2 Switch and then you had wait for 1 year for Splatoon 2 in 2018. It was that dire.

Rayman was meant to be the big Wii U seller got suddenly became Multiplatform which killed hype for the game and Wii U

It was only when MK8 came out we started getting consistent releases which was 2 years in.

Trust me, having a killer app matters. Zelda was niche series relatively before BOTW became a launch title which sold Switches like crazy. The Switch release selling more than the system itself at the time.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Zelda a niche series? It was always solidly behind Mario and Pokemon as the third biggest Nintendo series. BOTW did wonders for it, sure. But it was quite a strong IP regardless.

 

[MBRedboy31]

And then, there was me playing Scribblenauts Unlimited for hours back in the day on Wii U and making Miiverse posts about it (even though it wasn't exclusive, as it was also on 3DS and PC)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

This is Game & Wario erasure

That's why they specified mass appeal games.

I love Wario Ware but it isn't mass appeal.

 

[Guynamednelson]

turn it into live-service like MultiVersus

I really don't think that's a very good idea, considering, you know

Hopefully Smash being Smash means it'd have a much longer life, but still.