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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

RileyXY1

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For this to be the case, Sakurai CANNOT be director.

He's still on Air Riders, so a new Smash would need to be HELLA crunched if they want a 2027 release with Sakurai as its director.
Either that or they're just doing an Ultimate port and not a fully new game. I think that a fully new Smash game with Sakurai as the director might end up having to wait until 2028 or even 2029 unless it's gonna be a much smaller game than Ultimate.
 

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For this to be the case, Sakurai CANNOT be director.

He's still on Air Riders, so a new Smash would need to be HELLA crunched if they want a 2027 release with Sakurai as its director.
Yeah, unless we get a new director, I think we just might not get a new Smash at all this generation. Like I was saying before, it’s probably going to be around 2030 if we do. They didn’t even show any gameplay of Air Ride so it’s probably nowhere near finished. I might as well bring up something I’ve said here before but I’m starting to believe it more now. I think Ultimate might actually live up to its name and be the last Smash game, at least for quite a long time. I think the best chance we have of seeing Smash on Switch 2 now is a Switch 2 version of Ultimate.

Oh yeah, I was supposed to be more cheery lol. Umm….I’m still excited for Marvel: Cosmic Invasion and there’s a lot of cool indie games I can try out. I’m pretty much done playing Granblue Fantasy: Relink and I’m thinking of trying out Metroid Prime remake next. I’ve actually never played a Metroid Prime game but I watched my brother play Prime 3 when it was new.
 
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Yeah, unless we get a new Director, I think we just might not get a new Smash at all this generation.
With how much money Smash makes, there is no ****ing way it's skipping a generation. That would be insane.

They'd likely rather have it release later than never at all.

Though the idea of Ultimate: Switch 2 Edition happening to tide the wait is not unrealistic anymore. I wouldn't count on it, but it's not impossible.
 
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With how much money Smash makes, there is no ****ing way it's skipping a generation. That would be insane.

They'd likely rather have it release later than never at all.
You’d think but Nintendo doesn’t always do the most logical thing. It’s possible Ultimate was always meant to be the final game. It’s kind of the perfect send off if that’s what they were going for. I don’t think they’re obligated to keep making a series just because it sells well, especially if they’re satisfied with how it ended.

We still might get a new Smash but I don’t think it’s a sure thing. If we do, it’s definitely going to break the first two years of a console trend it’s had since Melee. I think it makes sense to release Smash early so it can build excitement for the console and their Directs through DLC. Releasing it too late kind of diminishes that.
 
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You’d think but Nintendo doesn’t always do the most logical thing. It’s possible Ultimate was always meant to be the final game. It’s kind of the perfect send off if that’s what they were going for. I don’t think they’re obligated to keep making a series just because it sells well, especially if they’re satisfied with how it ended.
Smash is not Earthbound.
 

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You’d think but Nintendo doesn’t always do the most logical thing. It’s possible Ultimate was always meant to be the final game. It’s kind of the perfect send off if that’s what they were going for. I don’t think they’re obligated to keep making a series just because it sells well, especially if they’re satisfied with how it ended.
I feel like they would only do that if Sakurai himself says that his work's done and he won't agree on a new one being made again, be it by himself or with another director at his stead.

Like how we haven't gotten any Mother game because Itoi felt like his story was finished.

And Sakurai has yet to express that he's done with Smash.
 
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I feel like they would only do that if Sakurai himself says that his work's done and he won't agree on a new one being made again.

Like how we haven't gotten any Mother game because Itoi felt like his story was finished.

And Sakurai has yet to express that he's done with Smash.
Maybe he did say that behind the scenes and we’re just not privy to it. Maybe I’m just letting the recent news get to me and it’s making me more pessimistic but I’ve always thought it was at least a possibility.
 
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Did anyone else feel like the Kirby Air Riders trailer was intentionally meant to look as if it was going to be a Smash cinematic, only to fake us out?

Maybe it's just my fanboy brain but given that Kirby is typically the protagonist of Smash story stuff, seeing him falling through that black void in a high-quality style had me 100% convinced it was a Smash thing until the jet thing popped out of the back of his warp star, and I'm wondering if anyone else's mind went to the same place.
 

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Did anyone else feel like the Kirby Air Riders trailer was intentionally meant to look as if it was going to be a Smash cinematic, only to fake us out?

Maybe it's just my fanboy brain but given that Kirby is typically the protagonist of Smash story stuff, seeing him falling through that black void in a high-quality style had me 100% convinced it was a Smash thing until the jet thing popped out of the back of his warp star, and I'm wondering if anyone else's mind went to the same place.
Yes. I thought it was Smash and they were revealing Geno as the first character. The focus on the star was really making me think it was a Smash reveal.
 

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Did anyone else feel like the Kirby Air Riders trailer was intentionally meant to look as if it was going to be a Smash cinematic, only to fake us out?
Not exactly, I just think that's Sakurai's style and it's probably done by the same studio that did the Smash cinematics / trailers. I'm assuming that he boarded / conceptualized this trailer the way he did for most of the Smash trailers as well. I don't think it was meant to tease anyone deliberately.
 

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Did anyone else feel like the Kirby Air Riders trailer was intentionally meant to look as if it was going to be a Smash cinematic, only to fake us out?

Maybe it's just my fanboy brain but given that Kirby is typically the protagonist of Smash story stuff, seeing him falling through that black void in a high-quality style had me 100% convinced it was a Smash thing until the jet thing popped out of the back of his warp star, and I'm wondering if anyone else's mind went to the same place.
I thought it was a reference to the World of Light trailer where Kirby was the only survivor, leading to a reveal of an Ultimate port with an enhanced story mode.

Had a little heart attack for a second ngl
 

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Did anyone else feel like the Kirby Air Riders trailer was intentionally meant to look as if it was going to be a Smash cinematic, only to fake us out?

Maybe it's just my fanboy brain but given that Kirby is typically the protagonist of Smash story stuff, seeing him falling through that black void in a high-quality style had me 100% convinced it was a Smash thing until the jet thing popped out of the back of his warp star, and I'm wondering if anyone else's mind went to the same place.
Most reactions I've seen have the same sentiment, but I think it's just the style of whoever Sakurai gets to do cinematic trailers.

Did feel kinda fun going full circle, since the Rosalina trailer in Smash 4 looked like Air Ride until it was Smash, and now Air Riders looks like Smash until it's Air Ride lol

EDIT: Must admit I did get a bit spooked by whatever those slashes were hitting the Warp Star. After it got slashed twice I was half expecting the trailer to end with the little slashes making the Smash logo like the Ultimate trailer lead-ins did lol
 
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I want to see a new Smash happen soon, but it almost feels weird to me to think that it's been so long since Ultimate has been out.

Ultimate itself was received well enough that I could honestly see them using the same engine and porting most of the resources over. That'd save them a lot of time and work and allow them to preserve most of the roster, but I don't necessarily see most of the roster staying, either, considering how big of a deal "EVERYONE IS HERE!" was and how much emphasis they put into making Ultimate about bringing all veteran characters back first and foremost, outside of bringing in a few brand new fan favorites.

It's not unfeasible though, imo. And I'd certainly prefer it over just getting "Ultimate Deluxe" since we need a game with some brand new and returning content. A different adventure mode, maybe the return of Trophies + having them double as spirits, the return of modes like Boss Battles and Smash Run, some brand new game modes and minigames entirely, etc. I loved Ultimate's roster and gameplay, but the series will likely be better off if it gets a brand new game entirely.
 

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Maybe he did say that behind the scenes and were just not privy to it. Maybe I’m just letting the recent news get to me and it’s making me more pessimistic but I’ve always thought it was at least a possibility.
I definitely think you're looking too much at a half empty glass here because I don't think Sakurai working on something that isn't Smash means he's never gonna make Smash again.

He has spoken of how difficult it could be to follow up on Ultimate but if I recall, he's said similar things after making both Melee and Brawl and well, look at where we are now.
 
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I wouldn't count on this personally. The placement of Kirby Air Riders actually made me more confident in my original intuition about Smash's release.

Sakurai is a workaholic, we all know it by now. He rarely gives himself any time off and that's evidenced through the frequency and development cycles of his games. What I'd like to point out right now is the windows that previous games have released.

Smash 64 (1999) -> Melee (2001) -> Kirby Air Ride (2003) -> Meteos (2005) -> Brawl (2008)

Kid Icarus Uprising (2012) -> Smash 4 (2014)

Kirby Air Riders (2025) -> Smash 6 (???)

I bring this up to convey the fact that Air Riders shouldn't put Smash off track all too much. Sakurai is not beyond conceptualizing his next projects while finalizing his current ones, and 2-3 year gaps in his games seems pretty standard. I had been anticipating Smash might be revealed proper next year, and released the following year in 2027... I don't think most people were expecting it at launch. A couple years into the console's life seems to be the norm at this point, and it probably needs at least a year of breathing room to promote itself and go through its usual hype cycle. 2027-2028 release of a new Smash feels right in line with how this has went for most of Sakurai's career, so there's no reason he can't be on it.
I agree, i honestly think it's likely going to be another KIU > Smash 4 situation
 
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I definitely think you're looking too much at a half empty glass here because I don't think Sakurai working on something that isn't Smash means he's never gonna make Smash again.

He has spoken of how difficult it could be to follow up on Ultimate but if I recall, he's said similar things after making both Melee and Brawl and well, look at where we are now.
Yeah, I’m not saying that we definitely won’t get a new Smash this generation, just that I think it’s a possibility. I do think if we get one, it will be several years away.
 

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EDIT: Must admit I did get a bit spooked by whatever those slashes were hitting the Warp Star. After it got slashed twice I was half expecting the trailer to end with the little slashes making the Smash logo like the Ultimate trailer lead-ins did lol
I had the same thought at first, as did several other people in the social thread lmao.

World of Light and Ultimate's very first trailer collectively made everyone either hopeful or wary of similar cinematics with black or white voids. Or anything involving Kirby flying on the Warp Star.
 

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but it almost feels weird to me to think that it's been so long since Ultimate has been out
It does feel weird it's been that long ago but at the same time Ultimate feels old as hell to me, the Inkling eye teaser feels like a fever dream to me for example lol, it's a weird feeling. I think for me it does feel weird because it was the first Smash game that came out when i was an adult, i was 20 when Ultimate came out and i was actively engaging with the Smash community back then as much i'm today.
It's a similar feeling i get with the Scarlet and Violet February 2022 reveal, i still remember like it was yesterday, but in reality it was a "long" time ago.
 

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It does feel weird it's been that long ago but at the same time Ultimate feels old as hell to me, the Inkling eye teaser feels like a fever dream to me for example lol, it's a weird feeling. I think for me it does feel weird because it was the first Smash game that came out when i was an adult, i was 20 when Ultimate came out and i was actively engaging with the Smash community back then as much i'm today.
I think another reason is the gap between releases is getting bigger like how it will be the biggest between Smash games by the time of Smash 6 (2026-2029). Its already bigger then Brawl to Smash 4 (6) and about the same as Melee to Brawl (7). DLC is why it is hard to notice but it will be a 4 year gap between Sora and 2025 in October.

Seems like Nintendo in general since outside of the Gameboy, the Switch 1 to Switch 2 is the biggest gap between console releases.
The last question is. Who's voicing King Dedede in Kirby Air Riders if there are voices for Dedede.
Probably Sakurai again like in Kirby 64 and Smash.
 

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Took a while to catch up with the thread today lol, but yeah the prices are def cause for concern because, with the Switch 2 being a pretty straight-up "sequel" console in naming, looks, and (overall) function, I wonder how much of the GP will simply view this similar to a sort of premium upgrade type thing that they decide they don't absolutely need. Per usual, it will come down to the software to convince enough people that it is indeed a completely new thing worth shelling out that premium payment for. The games shown all look good, but I sense they may need a bit more than that, which they may well have in the pipe, but it remains to be seen how much. The whole "Switch 2 versions of Switch 1 games" stuff could work in terms of easing the transition to the new console...or it could backfire by contributing to the aforementioned train of thought: "Nintendo wants me to smack down another 450+ USD in order for me to...continue playing the same games I've already been playing?" We'll see how it goes. As was mentioned, it could be that there's more first party software waiting to be revealed in a summer Direct...a more robust lineup even beyond what's already revealed could be a big help in pushing this over the edge for more folks. Again, not sure how this will go.

As far as Smash goes...seems my suspicions were right that the timeline didn't fit for Sakurai's current project to be Smash. With the game coming out this year, there is plenty of time for a Sakurai-led Smash game to make it out within the first few years of the system cycle, with the exact timeline depending on when Air Riders was or will be in a state where Sakurai would be able to start mapping out Smash. Really, as far as those two components go, nothing is much of a surprise to me, though it's good to finally have much more clarity than we had before. The one wrench is all these add-ons for Switch 1 games reigniting the port speculation. The fact that Smash wasn't revealed alongside a pretty sizeable batch of other such games is pretty notable IMO. I still think a port doesn't make much sense and they're going to want consumers to pay up the 80+ bucks for brand new Switch 2 Smash content, but until something is revealed the spec is bound to run rampant.
 

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It does feel weird it's been that long ago but at the same time Ultimate feels old as hell to me, the Inkling eye teaser feels like a fever dream to me for example lol, it's a weird feeling. I think for me it does feel weird because it was the first Smash game that came out when i was an adult, i was 20 when Ultimate came out and i was actively engaging with the Smash community back then as much i'm today.
It's a similar feeling i get with the Scarlet and Violet February 2022 reveal, i still remember like it was yesterday, but in reality it was a "long" time ago.
The inkling teaser to me feels like something I can remember remembering if that makes sense? Like I know how I felt and reacted because I can remember thinking about it, but I have next to no memory of actually watching the trailer. I do remember immediately clocking it was smash though. (I have a weirdly good talent for recognising games in trailers, even if I haven't played them).

But it makes sense that my memory is like that seeing as I was 13. I'm now 20. That still doesn't feel real. Ultimate speculation literally carried me from my 2nd through to my 6th and final year of high school, from reading about the grinch leak in the queue for lunch to having sora spoiled for me during maths. (I also locked myself out on the balcony in a hotel at 5am because I was so eager to watch the joker trailer).

This was meant to be a "haha I'm getting older" post but now that I think about it, smash ultimate was genuinely a major event that shaped the entirety of my teenage years, and I am kind of upset that no other game can ever have that impact on me again (although deltarune has the potential to come close, I have been waiting for that since 2018 and it still isn't done).
 

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cool direct

surprised at no 3d mario

those game prices are a dealbreaker tho lol

the KAR2 trailer definitely felt like Sakurai's work as soon as it started, very cinematic

so Smash 6 is probably coming out next year at the earliest, im leaning 2027
 

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Though the idea of Ultimate: Switch 2 Edition happening to tide the wait is not unrealistic anymore. I wouldn't count on it, but it's not impossible.
I'll take it!

Did anyone else feel like the Kirby Air Riders trailer was intentionally meant to look as if it was going to be a Smash cinematic, only to fake us out?
Yes! The way the stardust slashed vertically and horizontally across a black screen felt like Sakurai intentionally trolling.
 

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Nintendo wants me to smack down another 450+ USD in order for me to...continue playing the same games I've already been playing?
That is a good point. I hope it isn't telling that most of the direct was "and here's what all these other companies are putting on the Switch!"
 

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That is a good point. I hope it isn't telling that most of the direct was "and here's what all these other companies are putting on the Switch!"
I still feel like Nintendo is saving a lot of first party stuff for the usual Summer Direct, which would happen about a week or so after the console drops, since it drops at the beginning of June. At latest, maybe the Fall Direct.

I mean Mario Kart is kind of a goliath for launch day considering how many people own 8 Deluxe, and Donkey Kong is the next month, plus Prime 4, Legends ZA, and Kirby Air Riders at some point this year and Age of Imprisonment in the winter (plus Gamecube NSO as a little bonus if you like Wind Waker, Soul Calibur 2, or F-Zero GX), and that's a pretty strong launch window lineup alongside all the third party offerings I feel like.

Like Mario Kart, DK, Metroid, Pokemon, Kirby, and Zelda all in the second half of the year isn't what I'd call weak at least lol
 
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I still feel like Nintendo is saving a lot of first party stuff for the usual Summer Direct, which would happen about a week or so after the console drops, since it drops at the beginning of June. At latest, maybe the Fall Direct.
Agreed, I'm expecting something like that between launch and Bananza's release where they'll dive further into that game, since it actually launches kinda soon, but we haven't seen all that much. And although DK, Kirby, Metroid, Hyrule Warriors, and Pokemon is a very strong H2, I still think since it's year 1, they'll have more to show.

Including more third-party support. I notice one game that is basically expected but was absent from the Direct was Minecraft. The conspiracy part of my brain wonders if this might be when we get the blowout of MS support, with it, Doom, Halo, Overwatch, etc. revealed.
 

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I notice one game that is basically expected but was absent from the Direct was Minecraft
My prediction is that the Switch 1 version will be delisted or stop updates sometime after the version releases on Switch 2.

Apparently it’s the considered the weakest version of Minecraft outside of very low end phones and discontinued versions.
 

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Agreed, I'm expecting something like that between launch and Bananza's release where they'll dive further into that game, since it actually launches kinda soon, but we haven't seen all that much. And although DK, Kirby, Metroid, Hyrule Warriors, and Pokemon is a very strong H2, I still think since it's year 1, they'll have more to show.

Including more third-party support. I notice one game that is basically expected but was absent from the Direct was Minecraft. The conspiracy part of my brain wonders if this might be when we get the blowout of MS support, with it, Doom, Halo, Overwatch, etc. revealed.
Honestly I was kinda shocked not to see stuff like Doom: The Dark Ages, especially after the Direct was marked RP-M lol
 

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This was meant to be a "haha I'm getting older" post but now that I think about it, smash ultimate was genuinely a major event that shaped the entirety of my teenage years, and I am kind of upset that no other game can ever have that impact on me again (although deltarune has the potential to come close, I have been waiting for that since 2018 and it still isn't done).
That was Smash 4 to me.
I was 15 when Smash 4 was announced at E3 2013, and I remember checking out Miiverse every single day for the Pic of the Day. It was really fun for teenage me. In a way, yeah, that game also kind of shaped my teenage years. I remember showing my mom the trailer for Wii Fit Trainer, and she laughed about it, lol. Yeah, I'll likely never get an experience like that again, but I'm glad it happened. I'll always have the memories.

I think an honorable mention is Pokémon Black and White. I was 12 when it was revealed, and it was my second year on the internet, pretty much. That was way back in 2010, and that game probably left a big impact on me, as it was my first pre-release I ever followed. Watching the new Pokémon being revealed was a magical experience for sure.

The inkling teaser to me feels like something I can remember remembering if that makes sense? Like I know how I felt and reacted because I can remember thinking about it, but I have next to no memory of actually watching the trailer. I do remember immediately clocking it was smash though. (I have a weirdly good talent for recognising games in trailers, even if I haven't played them).
I didn't watch the direct live so i learned about the Ultimate teaser a hour or so after the direct ended, i went to a subreddit to see if they anounced something interesting and i saw the red flaming smash symbol in a post....that's a core memory at this point for me, lol. "NO WAY, SMASH 5?" I remember screaming, thankfully my parents weren't home, lol.
 

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Did anyone else feel like the Kirby Air Riders trailer was intentionally meant to look as if it was going to be a Smash cinematic, only to fake us out?

Maybe it's just my fanboy brain but given that Kirby is typically the protagonist of Smash story stuff, seeing him falling through that black void in a high-quality style had me 100% convinced it was a Smash thing until the jet thing popped out of the back of his warp star, and I'm wondering if anyone else's mind went to the same place.
I actually don't, I think it's just the fact that the trailer was probably directed by Sakurai, who likes to build suspense in how he paces trailers, and was also probably created by the same team as the Smash trailers gives it the same feel.

I get why with Kirby people may be predisposed to expecting Smash, but another part is the fanbase is just so Smashbrained that we're conditioned to interpret vague buildups as maybe Smash.
 

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