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Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Ivander

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Because of the tariffs, I doubt Nintendo can risk lowering the price of the Switch 2 without taking a severe loss. It's possible that the best case scenario might simply be not increasing the Switch 2 price at all and keeping it at the price they announced. Game prices being dropped by about $10 would be nice, but really, I don't know if they can even risk lowering the price without a notable loss.
 
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Gengar84

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I’m trying not to be negative but it’s hard to look at Nintendo’s recent practices and not get the feeling that they’re being anticonsumer. I think charging for a tutorial on how to use the console is a bit silly to say the least.

And this is why you can't just ignore real world politics.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Exactly. I admit stress over politics is giving me a bit of a mental breakdown, which explains why I’ve been on edge with my posting recently but that doesn’t solve anything either. I think I need to gather myself and continue trying to do something productive that will actually help. I’ve donated hundreds to charities the last few months and I’m planning to keep protesting whenever I’m able to. This place and gaming should be used to give us a break from all that so I shouldn’t drag my frustrations here. My apologies. I do agree that we shouldn’t ignore what’s going on in the world because it has real consequences like we’re seeing now.
 
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I’m trying not to be negative but it’s hard to look at Nintendo’s recent practices and not get the feeling that they’re being anticonsumer. I think charging for a tutorial on how to use the console is a bit silly to say the least.
Yeah I think no matter how you slice the tariff and price situation, basically everyone sees that Switch 2 Welcome Tour as dead in the water on launch. I mean, it's coming out same day as Mario Kart and Deltarune and basically everyone is miffed about needing to fork over 25$ for what by all means should be a pack in.
 

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I’m trying not to be negative but it’s hard to look at Nintendo’s recent practices and not get the feeling that they’re being anticonsumer. I think charging for a tutorial on how to use the console is a bit silly to say the least.
Especially since some came free with the consoles such as the 3DS having some tech demos pre-installed such as Face Raiders and AR Cards. Even some versions of the DSi came with Brain Age (XL) and Flipnote Studio (later updates).
 

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Oof. If Nintendo is delaying preorders that likely means they have to raise the price in the U.S. at least to make a profit. And with people already gawking at the price of their games, their in an extremely terrible spot here, at least for their U.S. audience. Best case scenario they'll probably just out and say why it's so high and increasing, and people will understand, but generally be unable to afford any of it so they don't buy it regardless.

Well, actual best case scenario is that they're considering lowering the prices and don't want people to pre-order at a higher price, but that seems unlikely.

EDIT: A good point that was just made to me is that they might also be postponing preorders because they just don't know what's happening with the tarrifs. This stuff comes out in 2 months and our government has flip-flopped on tariff decisions in the span of weeks. Not to mention that the fact that Trump's supporters are getting destroyed by the tariffs and are likely not going to be too happy about it. So yeah, a lot can happen in 2 months on that front.
 
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I think they set the price of the console and games at an expected 10%-25% tariff rate, but with the up to 46% rate on multiple production partners and 24% rate on Japan, they are trying to figure out what to do with the price. Kit and Krista said that there's probably a sort of a crisis situation at NOA with the pricing, so they might be taking some of the backlash into account.
Updated my post with more precise numbers and information

I think the best case scenario is that they do take the backlash of the games into account and bring MKW and the upgrades back down to $70, but not go any lower. In turn though, I would expect the price of the console itself to rise, maybe to $500 if we're lucky.
 
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Yeah I think no matter how you slice the tariff and price situation, basically everyone sees that Switch 2 Welcome Tour as dead in the water on launch. I mean, it's coming out same day as Mario Kart and Deltarune and basically everyone is miffed about needing to fork over 25$ for what by all means should be a pack in.

TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS?! WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY THINKING?!
 

Ivander

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Yeah I think no matter how you slice the tariff and price situation, basically everyone sees that Switch 2 Welcome Tour as dead in the water on launch. I mean, it's coming out same day as Mario Kart and Deltarune and basically everyone is miffed about needing to fork over 25$ for what by all means should be a pack in.
Isn't the tech demo game $10? That's the price I saw mentioned.
 

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With Switch 2 versions of switch games being a core aspect of Nintendo's Switch 2 strategy and Sakurai working on a Air Ride 2, Smash Ultimate Switch 2 version seems like the most likely scenario rn.

I know its kind of a boring idea and will not generate the hype a new title would, but Nintendo will be competing with themselves if they try to launch a new Smash game that does not go above and beyond what Ultimate was (like Mario Kart World), if that is even possible.

The only question to me is how many more characters will be added or if the FP 1 and 2 characters will be included in the expansion.
 

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Isn't the tech demo game $10? That's the price I saw mentioned.
TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS?! WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY THINKING?!
I thought I heard 25$, but after looking into it, I found this excerpt from a Nintendo Life article:
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That probably won't be the US Price for a couple reasons, but I shouldn't have said 25$ before verifying, my bad. Still not buying it tho lol
 

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I think the initial complaints about the Switch 2 pricing is valid and by all means I would never tell someone NOT to complain about it being unaffordable, being $450 USD alone -- $50 USD higher than was expected is already out-pricing some of us -- but if they increase it further to $550 USD or $600 USD that's an even further dumpster fire that even Nintendo themselves know is ridiculous. That's why I can see the 'greed' argument working for the $450 price but anything further it'd be ignorant to say that's on Nintendo. The price increasing further beyond $450 is on the US Tariffs proposed by Evil Annoying Orange. That's outright what Nintendo is implying and it'd be ignorant to rebuke real world politics have nothing to do with this.

I might be priced out of being able to buy the Switch 2 directly because of these idiotic tariffs and many people will feel the same impact. We have every right to be angry about it but I just hope Nintendo doesn't raise prices to an additional $100 or more. I think best case scenario would be the price remains the same and I'm personally expecting the price to increase $50 USD. $500 USD is the upmost limit I'll pay without crashing the hell out
 

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Now I am assuming you are supposed to stay apolitical on this site but it feels relevant enough here I will say a bit.

It is outright infuriating that one man that I not only would never have voted for, but who in theory should have no impact on my country, can impact every single part of my life, and the lives of countless others like he is doing. Setting transgender rights back years, which directly impacts me and some of my closest friends, these tariffs which will not only harm the very people who voted for him (and the rest of the americans who didn't), but will directly stop many people from engaging in their hobbied, interests, etc.

And I simply cannot see things getting better, looking at the world at large these politicians are gaining popularity at an alarming rate everywhere, minorities are being treated worse and worse, and those already in power are selfish and outright malicious towards everyone else.

Anyway, rant over - on the bright side (and the only relevant positive for this forum) I am looking forward to getting a switch 2 when I can actually afford one. Sorry for the off-topic rant.
 
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Now I am assuming you are supposed to stay apolitical on this site but it feels relevant enough here I will say a bit.
Actually, not related to your post at all, but seeing as you're a megaten fan seemingly, I was wondering...

...as I've only gone through Persona 2 and (original, not Royal) Persona 5 myself, what characters from the other, not-persona Megaten games might be best for adding to Smash if they were ever to do so?

The demi-fiend? Jack frost? The blue-haired MC of SMT V that I can't spell off the top of my head? Some other one?
 

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Now I am assuming you are supposed to stay apolitical on this site but it feels relevant enough here I will say a bit.

It is outright infuriating that one man that I not only would never have voted for, but who in theory should have no impact on my country, can impact every single part of my life, and the lives of countless others like he is doing. Setting transgender rights back years, which directly impacts me and some of my closest friends, these tariffs which will not only harm the very people who voted for him (and the rest of the anericans who didn't), but will directly stop many people from engaging in their hobbied, interests, etc.

And I simply cannot see things getting better, looking at the world at large these politicians are gaining popularity at an alarming rate everywhere, minorities are being treated worse and worse, and those already in power are selfish and outright malicious towards everyone else.

Anyway, rant over - on the bright side (and the only relevant positive for this forum) I am looking forward to getting a switch 2 when I can actually afford one. Sorry for the off-topic rant.
As an American I deeply apologize for my country having an outsized impact on the entire planet. I didn't vote for this, but enough people did apparently, and everyone else in the world has to pay for it.

I have Canadian citizenship so theoretically I could move out, but A: America's still at the borders, and B: Prices are still going to be significantly higher, so that can only go so far.

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Dukefire

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With Switch 2 versions of switch games being a core aspect of Nintendo's Switch 2 strategy and Sakurai working on a Air Ride 2, Smash Ultimate Switch 2 version seems like the most likely scenario rn.

I know its kind of a boring idea and will not generate the hype a new title would, but Nintendo will be competing with themselves if they try to launch a new Smash game that does not go above and beyond what Ultimate was (like Mario Kart World), if that is even possible.

The only question to me is how many more characters will be added or if the FP 1 and 2 characters will be included in the expansion.
They need to give people a reason to upgrade.
 

TheLamerGamer

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Actually, not related to your post at all, but seeing as you're a megaten fan seemingly, I was wondering...

...as I've only gone through Persona 2 and (original, not Royal) Persona 5 myself, what characters from the other, not-persona Megaten games might be best for adding to Smash if they were ever to do so?

The demi-fiend? Jack frost? The blue-haired MC of SMT V that I can't spell off the top of my head? Some other one?
Oh wow the only non-p5 game you've played being 2 is very unusual (and funnily enough the exact same scenario my best friend was in prior to playing nocturne, but then that was entirely my doing).

From mainline I would assume they would include the Nahobino from V, but the demi-fiend (protag of 3) is also very very iconic. The smt iv protag, Flynn, would also fit very well (and could have the IVA protagonist, Nanashi, as an alt, as they would play identically), but is far les popular, or recognisable. Another option could be "The messiah" - imagine hero but with the smt 1, 2, 4 and 4A protagonists.

I think Jack Frost could work, but I really don't want that because A) that wouldn't represent the series' summoning mechanic at all, and B) he would be far too "funny" to represent the series tonally. I would accept the jack bros (jack frost, jack o'lantern, and potentially pixie and jack the ripper) due to them being funny enough to win me over.

From non-persona spinoffs the most likely would be Raidou, both due to the remaster and his popularity among the fanbase. The issue would be his design needing to be censored somehow in certain asian regions for political reasons (which are entirely fair from my understanding).

I can't really imagine them going with anyone else? I will cone back and add more later but I am about to go and cook my dinner so don't have much time 😭.


As an American I deeply apologize for my country having an outsized impact on the entire planet. I didn't vote for this, but enough people did apparently, and everyone else in the world has to pay for it.

I have Canadian citizenship so theoretically I could move out, but A: America's still at the borders, and B: Prices are still going to be significantly higher, so that can only go so far.

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The thing is I'm scottish, therefore, unfortunately technically british, so I can't say much ok the oversized impact thing due to... well, britain being britain.

I am also considering moving to a different country however if britain goes the way I think it will. I hope things work out for you whatever you decide to do though!
 

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And this is why you can't just ignore real world politics.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum.
As an American I deeply apologize for my country having an outsized impact on the entire planet. I didn't vote for this, but enough people did apparently, and everyone else in the world has to pay for it.

I have Canadian citizenship so theoretically I could move out, but A: America's still at the borders, and B: Prices are still going to be significantly higher, so that can only go so far.

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I second this. I feel terrible that our country is ruining the whole world for everyone. For what it’s worth, I voted against this and I’m trying to get more active protesting and donating to charitable causes. None of us have the power to change the world ourselves but if we all pitch in what little we can, maybe we can actually make a positive impact and turn things around eventually. I just hope everything going on is enough to wake people up and take some kind of stand. As much as increased prices of video games suck, they’re the least of our concerns right now and the humanitarian crisis is a lot more important. But whatever it takes to get people activated, I’ll take it.
 

Fa7oFuru

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Now I am assuming you are supposed to stay apolitical on this site but it feels relevant enough here I will say a bit.

It is outright infuriating that one man that I not only would never have voted for, but who in theory should have no impact on my country, can impact every single part of my life, and the lives of countless others like he is doing. Setting transgender rights back years, which directly impacts me and some of my closest friends, these tariffs which will not only harm the very people who voted for him (and the rest of the americans who didn't), but will directly stop many people from engaging in their hobbied, interests, etc.

And I simply cannot see things getting better, looking at the world at large these politicians are gaining popularity at an alarming rate everywhere, minorities are being treated worse and worse, and those already in power are selfish and outright malicious towards everyone else.

Anyway, rant over - on the bright side (and the only relevant positive for this forum) I am looking forward to getting a switch 2 when I can actually afford one. Sorry for the off-topic rant.
Whether officially or unofficially I do think avoiding political topics is the right move as a rule of civility, however in this instance it's relevance to Switch 2 pricing and the future of the Western Gaming industry is basically unavoidable. Hobbies should be a way to get a breath of fresh air away from real world politics but then again Art and Media isn't created in a bubble, Art and Media is created within the confides of the political reality surrounding it's development so all art is political. Because of it's relevance to discussion I don't regret my mention of tariffs being the cause of Switch 2 pricing potentially increasing further beyond $450 USD. As a US Citizen, I will also say this is why I didn't vote for Evil Annoying Orange. That's all I'll say in terms of the political reality of this situation though
 

Ivander

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It hurts alot to see Trump's mistreatment of various people. But it pains me to say that, as a Canadian, Canada is not that better when you actually pay attention to what's happening. Canada's currant government is hellbent on controlling what news is aired to the point of using AI to outright spread false info. Not to mention the manipulation of freedom of speech and how we are losing it very quickly.

That aside, if there's anything I'm personally afraid of, it's people unwillingness to search for what is the truth, the amount of governments taking clear advantage of that and the amount of people just taking in whatever they are given without question because they don't want the trouble. What alot of people are focused on are or will be nowhere near as important if we lose what we desperately need to focus and keep our grasp on.
 

TheLamerGamer

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I second this. I feel terrible that our country is ruining the whole world for everyone. For what it’s worth, I voted against this and I’m trying to get more active protesting and donating to charitable causes. None of us have the power to change the world ourselves but if we all pitch in what little we can, maybe we can actually make a positive impact and turn things around eventually. I just hope everything going on is enough to wake people up and take some kind of stand. As much as increased prices of video games suck, they’re the least of our concerns right now and the humanitarian crisis is a lot more important. But whatever it takes to get people activated, I’ll take it.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, nobody can make a fundamental change to the state of the world on their own, but the more people who try, the more of an impact there will be. Not even necessarily in huge ways, I know most people don't have time to go to protests, or do substantial charity work, etc. But even simple acts of kindness can make a big difference. Or even simply not standing by as someone is being harassed or discriminated against can not only help that person but may dissuade the aggressor from doing similar things in the future (plus it is just the decent thing to do).

And yeah, as you said, video games being delayed or more expensive or whatever sucks, but it is miniscule in comparison to what a lot of people will go through if things don't improve. Minorities are actively having their rights stripped away, and nobody seems to care, with the general public becoming more and more radicalized against them. An unimaginable amount of people are struggling to afford food, rent, heating, etc. And it will just. Get. Worse.

But that doesn't mean people should exclusively be cynical and give up. For example, and this is a very very personal one that I typically wouldn't share... well, anywhere, but it is worth it here:

I am transgender, and as such, seeing the world going in this direction is... discouraging, to put it lightly. But, despite this, my life has improved over the past year or so. I found friends who accept me for who I am and have done so much to help me feel comfortable in being myself, and for the first time in my life I feel like I have somewhere I truly belong, and people who I know I can rely upon no matter what. It is in no way an exaggeration to say they have saved my life. And so, even if the world is getting more and more terrifying (and, let's not be naïve, it is going in a horrifying direction at an alarming rate), things can get better, but that can only happen if we refuse to give up and continue to try our hardest to be decent people.

Equally, despite this, I am aware the world is not an easy place to live in right now, and so it is important to make sure to reach out to people when you need it, and to be there for others in the same way. (And, on that note, as much as I am rarely active on this site I would always be willing to lend an ear should anyone need it).

Whether officially or unofficially I do think avoiding political topics is the right move as a rule of civility, however in this instance it's relevance to Switch 2 pricing and the future of the Western Gaming industry is basically unavoidable. Hobbies should be a way to get a breath of fresh air away from real world politics but then again Art and Media isn't created in a bubble, Art and Media is created within the confides of the political reality surrounding it's development so all art is political. Because of it's relevance to discussion I don't regret my mention of tariffs being the cause of Switch 2 pricing potentially increasing further beyond $450 USD. As a US Citizen, I will also say this is why I didn't vote for Evil Annoying Orange. That's all I'll say in terms of the political reality of this situation though
Exactly, I understand exactly why a forum like this would want to remain apolitical, but when it is actively impacting the forum's entire focus then it becomes far too relevant to ignore.

(I have been trying to send this post for almost 20 minutes and the site is just refusing for some reason).
 

Wonder Smash

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Uh! Politics is one subject I don't want to get into.

About modded characters like Phoenix Wright, wouldn't it be cool if they made a Smash-style reveal trailer for them? Somebody needs to contact them and ask them if they ever plan on doing that. I'd love to see what Phoenix Wright's trailer would look like.
 
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DarthEnderX

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So in some cases you might still need to have the game key inserted and the game downloaded? That's the worst of both worlds...
Although it might mean Gamefly is still an option for those games for me, if you can't play the game without the cart anyway.

I guess the question is, are the download carts reusable or not. Or is it like the discs where the code is single-use, and once you've used it, you might as well throw away the disc.

look at van hog’s starry night and tell me it is
It is.

Art is life and life is political.
 
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BackseatSakurai

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The demi-fiend? Jack frost? The blue-haired MC of SMT V that I can't spell off the top of my head? Some other one?
You weren't asking me, but it's Jack Frost all day. He's the Pikachu of the franchise and of Atlus as a whole. Pretty much the only choice that wouldn't be putting the microscope on one particular entry / subseries in particular. SMT being funny is as core to the franchise as being dark or foreboding is - and even Jack Frost himself communicates the evil demonic vibes via his mischevious attitude and creepy voice. Just my $0.02.
 
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