AdmN30
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Someone had to make this thread.
Ninten is the main character of the very first Mother game (aka EarthBound Zero) that pioneered the franchise. He fought off an invading army led by Giegue (Giygas) and uncovered the mystery of his great grandparent's disappearance.
If Ninten was added in Smash Bros, then the primary protagonists of all three games can be represented. I see people suggest more characters from EarthBound and Mother 3 rather than the first game. This is fine, but I think it only makes sense to add the main character from a game that is the only one in its franchise that has yet to be represented character-wise. After all, Ninten is the first hero of the Mother franchise.
Potential Moveset:
B: PK Beam
Ninten fires a beam energy which inflicts combo damage to opponents. The longer B is held down, the longer the beam will be.
B →: PK Hypnosis
Ninten releases rings of light from his eyes which causes any opponent in front of him to fall asleep temporarily.
B ↑: PK Teleport
Ninten rapidly spins on the ground or in midair and teleports into the direction in which the analog stick is held. Any opponent caught within range of his teleportation will receive a burning damage effect.
B ↓: PSI Shield
By holding B, Ninten creates a shield which protects him from physical hits and solid projectiles. Anyone who hits him with a physical attack will receive electrical damage as a counterattack. However, the shield will not protect him from energy based projectiles or grabs. The shield will only take three hits before it disappears. Ninten isn’t stunned after it disappears, but there will be a cool-down time before he can use another shield. Also, if the shield of turned off by releasing B, its damage taken will not reset when turned on again. For example, if the shield took a hit before B is released, it will still take two more hits when turned on again.
Final Smash: Brain Cyclone
Ninten creates an aura around himself which telekinetically lifts any surrounding characters and rapidly spins them around him in a spiral. This has enough power to throw the opponents off screen. Whoever isn’t KO’d will have their controls jinxed briefly as if they are confused or “feel strange".
Objections:
Argument #1: He looks the same as Ness
Some people have said that his promotional artwork looked too similar to Ness, but that shouldn’t be too hard to fix. If it means tuning the colors of his outfit or adding different accessories he can still look more unique. For example, a lot of images I see give him alter the colors of his shirt and give him a red bandana, similarly to his commercial appearance.
Also unlike Ness, he doesn’t wear a backpack. The appearance of his in-game sprite was rather vague anyways, obviously due to technical limitations of the Famicom.
Argument #2: He will just be another Ness clone
It is assumed that his moveset would just be a copy of Ness and Lucas, but that is not necessarily true. Ninten is a PSI user, but that doesn’t mean he has to be a clone of the other two characters. It shouldn’t be too hard to make his moveset more distinct (as I was trying to prove above). There were actually several moves from EarthBound Zero that weren’t used by characters in the later games. Plus, there were moves in the other two Mother games that weren’t in the first i.e. PK Flash and PK Starstorm.
Argument #3: Ness IS Ninten
This isn’t true. Just because they looked similar before doesn’t mean they are the same exact character. They both have different settings, different friends and family, different weaknesses, as well as different stories. Even though they had some similar aspects, they still have their own plot points and details that made both games and characters unique from each other.
Argument #4: Adding another Mother character is overrepresentation
There were only two playable Mother characters in Super Smash Bros so far. I don’t see why adding one more would be overrepresentation. The roster can still be diverse if one more Mother character was added. If there were four Mother characters, then yes, that might be pushing it. But I think at least three characters should be the maximum for the Mother reps. There are only three Mother games. Like I said, the first one is the only one that has yet to have their main character represented in Smash Bros. Besides, one of the main points of Super Smash Bros is to be a showcase of Nintendo's history, not strictly the popular franchises like Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon. Don’t get me wrong, I do want to see more characters from those series, but not if they overshadow the possibilities of others.
Argument #5: Neither Ninten nor EarthBound Zero are popular enough
This doesn't matter that much. Popularity doesn’t always guarantee a character's inclusion in Super Smash Bros. I mean, was the Wii Fit Trainer ever popular before she was revealed? Masahiro Sakurai doesn’t select characters based strictly on popularity. In fact, if Ninten was included, it could introduce himself and his game of origin to a whole new audience, like what the Fire Emblem characters did in Melee or even what Ness and Lucas did when they were introduced.
Argument #6: Is he even likely?
Well, I can’t say for sure how likely he is to be in the upcoming Smash game. One thing I can say is that I certainly don’t think he’s hopeless as a potential playable character. All in all, Ninten is a Nintendo character (if his name didn’t make it obvious enough) who does fit the guidelines of what is allowed in Super Smash Bros. Also, Sakurai has been doing a lot of things with Super Smash Bros that we haven’t been expecting, again, like the Wii Fit Trainer. So who can say that Ninten is impossible?
Feel free to share your opinion about Ninten. You can discuss his high points, low points, or any other thoughts about him as a playable character.
Ninten is the main character of the very first Mother game (aka EarthBound Zero) that pioneered the franchise. He fought off an invading army led by Giegue (Giygas) and uncovered the mystery of his great grandparent's disappearance.
If Ninten was added in Smash Bros, then the primary protagonists of all three games can be represented. I see people suggest more characters from EarthBound and Mother 3 rather than the first game. This is fine, but I think it only makes sense to add the main character from a game that is the only one in its franchise that has yet to be represented character-wise. After all, Ninten is the first hero of the Mother franchise.
B: PK Beam
Ninten fires a beam energy which inflicts combo damage to opponents. The longer B is held down, the longer the beam will be.
B →: PK Hypnosis
Ninten releases rings of light from his eyes which causes any opponent in front of him to fall asleep temporarily.
B ↑: PK Teleport
Ninten rapidly spins on the ground or in midair and teleports into the direction in which the analog stick is held. Any opponent caught within range of his teleportation will receive a burning damage effect.
B ↓: PSI Shield
By holding B, Ninten creates a shield which protects him from physical hits and solid projectiles. Anyone who hits him with a physical attack will receive electrical damage as a counterattack. However, the shield will not protect him from energy based projectiles or grabs. The shield will only take three hits before it disappears. Ninten isn’t stunned after it disappears, but there will be a cool-down time before he can use another shield. Also, if the shield of turned off by releasing B, its damage taken will not reset when turned on again. For example, if the shield took a hit before B is released, it will still take two more hits when turned on again.
Final Smash: Brain Cyclone
Ninten creates an aura around himself which telekinetically lifts any surrounding characters and rapidly spins them around him in a spiral. This has enough power to throw the opponents off screen. Whoever isn’t KO’d will have their controls jinxed briefly as if they are confused or “feel strange".
Objections:
Argument #1: He looks the same as Ness
Some people have said that his promotional artwork looked too similar to Ness, but that shouldn’t be too hard to fix. If it means tuning the colors of his outfit or adding different accessories he can still look more unique. For example, a lot of images I see give him alter the colors of his shirt and give him a red bandana, similarly to his commercial appearance.
Also unlike Ness, he doesn’t wear a backpack. The appearance of his in-game sprite was rather vague anyways, obviously due to technical limitations of the Famicom.
Argument #2: He will just be another Ness clone
It is assumed that his moveset would just be a copy of Ness and Lucas, but that is not necessarily true. Ninten is a PSI user, but that doesn’t mean he has to be a clone of the other two characters. It shouldn’t be too hard to make his moveset more distinct (as I was trying to prove above). There were actually several moves from EarthBound Zero that weren’t used by characters in the later games. Plus, there were moves in the other two Mother games that weren’t in the first i.e. PK Flash and PK Starstorm.
Argument #3: Ness IS Ninten
This isn’t true. Just because they looked similar before doesn’t mean they are the same exact character. They both have different settings, different friends and family, different weaknesses, as well as different stories. Even though they had some similar aspects, they still have their own plot points and details that made both games and characters unique from each other.
Argument #4: Adding another Mother character is overrepresentation
There were only two playable Mother characters in Super Smash Bros so far. I don’t see why adding one more would be overrepresentation. The roster can still be diverse if one more Mother character was added. If there were four Mother characters, then yes, that might be pushing it. But I think at least three characters should be the maximum for the Mother reps. There are only three Mother games. Like I said, the first one is the only one that has yet to have their main character represented in Smash Bros. Besides, one of the main points of Super Smash Bros is to be a showcase of Nintendo's history, not strictly the popular franchises like Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon. Don’t get me wrong, I do want to see more characters from those series, but not if they overshadow the possibilities of others.
Argument #5: Neither Ninten nor EarthBound Zero are popular enough
This doesn't matter that much. Popularity doesn’t always guarantee a character's inclusion in Super Smash Bros. I mean, was the Wii Fit Trainer ever popular before she was revealed? Masahiro Sakurai doesn’t select characters based strictly on popularity. In fact, if Ninten was included, it could introduce himself and his game of origin to a whole new audience, like what the Fire Emblem characters did in Melee or even what Ness and Lucas did when they were introduced.
Argument #6: Is he even likely?
Well, I can’t say for sure how likely he is to be in the upcoming Smash game. One thing I can say is that I certainly don’t think he’s hopeless as a potential playable character. All in all, Ninten is a Nintendo character (if his name didn’t make it obvious enough) who does fit the guidelines of what is allowed in Super Smash Bros. Also, Sakurai has been doing a lot of things with Super Smash Bros that we haven’t been expecting, again, like the Wii Fit Trainer. So who can say that Ninten is impossible?
Feel free to share your opinion about Ninten. You can discuss his high points, low points, or any other thoughts about him as a playable character.
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and regular good 'ol claus w/ a beam sword and a arm canon 
