Gasp! A subliminal message of anarchy from Overswarm?
It's all so clear now! OS is in the SBR because he is an infiltrator who has been undercover all along!
Overthrow the SBR-B!
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Official Metaknight Discussion
- Thread starter Hylian
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It's all so clear now! OS is in the SBR because he is an infiltrator who has been undercover all along!
Overthrow the SBR-B!
Overswarm
is laughing at you
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Most of your posts are jokes, so I don't laugh much at them anymore.way to be the guy who hears a joke, everyone laughs, and then you ruin it with your follow up
Takeover1806
Smash Champion
Nanaki
Smash Lord
I could've sworn there was talk about Olimar's fortressing being 'MK-proof' if someone could 'camp perfectly' with him. Or maybe that was just Inui. I can't remember.
I know I'm getting offtopic, but does Fiction still play? I haven't heard much about him for a long time. Most of those guys do still do pretty well, though the Falcos don't really have to deal with planking.
Yeah perfect camping was a term for Olimar having such a broken defense between his grab, pikmin throw, and smashes that nobody could touch him...
But eventually people learned several strategies with various characters to deal with Olimar's camping like they learned to deal with everything else in this game.
Well almost everything...
But eventually people learned several strategies with various characters to deal with Olimar's camping like they learned to deal with everything else in this game.
Well almost everything...
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
I like how Omni decides to completely ignore OS's massive post BECAUSE IT'S TOO BIG.
Are you ****ing kidding me?!
When the "leader" of the anti-ban argument refuses to respond to legitimate constructive posts because they're too big, and proceeds to do nothing but Troll with (albeit funny) pics and gifs, it seems pretty clear that anti-ban is pretty much a joke.
If you're willing to lead a side in a debate, and you CLEARLY have plenty of time to sit here and troll, you have no excuse to not invest a couple god **** minutes to read his posts.
Omni is an embarrassment.
Are you ****ing kidding me?!
When the "leader" of the anti-ban argument refuses to respond to legitimate constructive posts because they're too big, and proceeds to do nothing but Troll with (albeit funny) pics and gifs, it seems pretty clear that anti-ban is pretty much a joke.
If you're willing to lead a side in a debate, and you CLEARLY have plenty of time to sit here and troll, you have no excuse to not invest a couple god **** minutes to read his posts.
Omni is an embarrassment.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
I played Anther this past weekend, and he beat me HALF our friendlies. Luckily, Lain was on Anther's side of the bracket, and my side was a lot easier. I beat Lain 6-1, almost every game being last stock except for 2 2 stocks, one on RC I forget the other stage, and him winning a game 1 stock 30% mostly thanks to being CGed every stock. Plenty of other characters can be really good, but few people play them because 1) everyones a baby and wants to use MK cuz smashboards complains about him to the point where everyone thinks its the easy answer 2) they aren't as easy to pick up at a lower level (but this game is easy compared to melee anyway so who cares). ADHD ***** me, NinjaLink has beaten me in 2 sets last year, SK beat me half our friendlies at Evo, DEHF dominates the WC, and Fiction has beaten me in a set. I'm the best MK player and come off of a lot of melee skill. On top of that, I taught Havok, Tyrant, DSF, Dojo, Ksizzle, Inui, Atomsk, Spammer, Judge, and probably other people I'm forgetting a lot about the character, through various ways (tons of friendlies, or long aim convos, showing them stuff in person, or in Judge's case playing him at a lot of tournaments). I teach them all a lot of stuff and in return I learned random things from playing them or talking to them too. The sharing of knowledge is what allowed MK to grow so fast to get to the level he's at now. MKs know a lot more than they would have normally because of this. Combine that with all the other reasons listed above and you will see he's not as dominant as it seems ESPECIALLY when you are using biased tourneys. Because Genesis and Pound4 supports your case, you constantly bring these up. You ignore tourneys like SNES where I was the only MK in the top 8, (maybe Anti got 7th I'm not 100% sure) getting 3-0d by Ally and 3-1d by ADHD, on East Coast no less, the most MK dominated place. You will use biased results and even lie with your results such as displaying Ksizl beating Judge and then put MK next to Ksizls name even though Ksizl lost with MK and then 2-0d Judge with Lucario. On top of that, the last time MK actually won a big tourney is like.. me, and that's only OCCASIONALLY. You use biased numbers and exaggerations and use only tourneys which support your case then display the data in a biased fashion which everyone else will just buy into. The character is not nearly as amazing as your extremely biased results show, especially if you consider everything I said. You should probably start doing commercials because the way the world works everyone will buy into the biased data charts you make and you'll become rich; you seem very good at this.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
Flaming Omni will get MK banned!
edit: Ninja'd by M2K.
Life=Complete
Meat=Ridden
edit: Ninja'd by M2K.
Life=Complete
Meat=Ridden
Nanaki
Smash Lord
I knew I remembered something like that.
"Someone (absurdly good) beat me with a character once so his character counters mine."
Who's next on the 'possible MK counter' train after Diddy gets his **** tossed? ZSS is starting to come up a lot...and I hear stuff about Pikachu too...
whoa, slow down. relax guy. breathe.
i -was- the leader of the anti-ban. i put all of that behind me. trust me when i say i won't be leading any anti-ban movement this time around. way too stressful and way too time consuming.
now im just a regular outspoken anti-ban guy.
im no hero. just a killer hired to do some wetwork.
oh, and i've read his post. i'm just not typing up a 2x larger rebuttal so that he can do the same and the neverending story can continue.
but way to be such a downer, guy. sensitive much?
M2K, the way you rant about how it's getting hard for you to win in Brawl tells me that you should start considering looking for a job to support yourself rather than relying on Brawl tourneys. If you truly believe you're gonna start losing against so many people, then it's only a matter of time before you go bankrupt.
And of COURSE you're gonna play worse! you're playing both Melee and brawl at the same time! No matter how you delude yourself that you 'got used to the switching', unless you concentrate on one of the two games and that game alone, your performance will be deterred from what it could be at its maximum. You might not feel a difference right now, but it's only because you got used to your lower-leveled skill with all the switching between games. Pretty much that's the reason for your current performance in Melee as well, too much mixing games. You might not find mistakes in your current gameplay, but if it's true that you're not finding mistakes... It means you've topped your skill with how you're going into the Smash scene. Change your ways, concentrate on a single game, and go into matches with a clearer head. No more subconscious confusion in the back of your head, keep it simplest.
And don't you dare say it's because "you suck at this game".
And of COURSE you're gonna play worse! you're playing both Melee and brawl at the same time! No matter how you delude yourself that you 'got used to the switching', unless you concentrate on one of the two games and that game alone, your performance will be deterred from what it could be at its maximum. You might not feel a difference right now, but it's only because you got used to your lower-leveled skill with all the switching between games. Pretty much that's the reason for your current performance in Melee as well, too much mixing games. You might not find mistakes in your current gameplay, but if it's true that you're not finding mistakes... It means you've topped your skill with how you're going into the Smash scene. Change your ways, concentrate on a single game, and go into matches with a clearer head. No more subconscious confusion in the back of your head, keep it simplest.
And don't you dare say it's because "you suck at this game".
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
@Kewkky: He's probably still the best SSBB player. I think he does just fine switching between the two games 
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
It's perfectly reasonable to be angry when you get trolled, that's kind of the intent, is it not? I ask you then, if you claim to have resigned as the leader, who is now the leader? The fact that this topic pretty much centers around you and Overswarm seems to tell me otherwise.
Why is a cop-out like "too long" fair game for you, but you thinks it's completely unacceptable that he won't respond to your "loaded question"? (whether it is or it isn't is NOT the point, don't re-direct this)
Seems like a pretty hefty double-standard to me.
Arguably the best SSBB player. If you ask me, for a guy who supports himself with tourney winnings, he's letting his skill slip away. What for another top player that might not be too big of an issue, is definitely bigger for him since he depends on tourney winnings from what I've heard people say so far. Unless 5th place got him money, he ended up with no winnings from Pound4 through Melee, and only 2nd place winnings from Brawl. His lifestyle is slipping away slowly and he's not even noticing why. Instead, he's trying to justify that by saying "everyone's getting better faster than I am", when he knows that he can get well just as fast as well.@Kewkky: He's probably still the best SSBB player. I think he does just fine switching between the two games
Splitting time between two different games will cost him money, money he could use for whatever he wants.
u mad?
chill, dude. this topic gets way too serious. a little bit of trollin' is healthy cuz it brings everyone down to Earth.
idk who the leader is? i don't care? maybe this was missed but i said way, way, way back into this post that i'm not the leader of the anti-ban anymore like i use to be.
i also specifically stated that i am willing to respond to his post if he is willing to respond to my "loaded" argument despite the fact that i said i would not respond to novels.
seems like you're not very well caught up... or you only see what you want to see therefore you see... nothing. ur call.
Turbo Ether
Smash Master
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I'm mad. You have to main Snake in order to use this amazing quote.
Nanaki
Smash Lord
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Pretty much, yeah. It's funny if you look at it; we can get flamed for being noobs all we want but it doesn't change the fact that Omni and RDK are basically doing nothing but flaming, and the antiban argument is always either Get Better Noob or Who Cares.
Atomsk_92
Smash Hero
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I mean...I'm good...I beat MK....get better n00b.
Takeover1806
Smash Champion
Im pretty sure you've been in an argument before & not respond to every little thing a person *****es about..
I might be wrong about you but if a person continues to argue using the same points & does not understand.. Alot of people usual laugh or just look at you nd shake there head...
Point is he does not have to argue every little point when they have been goin back nd forth about the same topic.. Im pretty sure they are discussing the same issues in the backroom.. People have like no humor nowadays
Bwahahahahahaha can we close this thread now please I think this pretty much wraps up the discussion bwahahahahah.How this debate will end:
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
I sound mad, but no argument that ever happens on the internet can keep me mad for more than 5 minutes. This is not the point.
And once again, you've re-directed. It doesn't matter if you'll answer him if he answers you. I'll take a page from your book and ask you again:
Why the double standard? Overswarm at least responds to your other posts, even though he is choosing not to respond to a "loaded question". You keep refusing to answer anything until he answers it.
WHY IS THIS OK?
The point of what I'm saying isn't that I worry for M2K. My point is that he's seeing the metagame in a way he shouldn't be seeing it. He's splitting his time and effort into two games, so his placings are being affected in both games. According to him, there's a number of players who are advancing in skill faster than he is, but the actual reason is that he's splitting his time and effort into two games while the other people are just concentrating on a single game. He's the best Smasher right now... But he lost his position as the #1 Brawl player and #1/2/3 Melee player... And is being hit hard by people who do keep putting the time and effort into a single game.
let's be honest: do you really think i've done nothing but trolling? examine all my posts that i made here today and tell me that i havent been doing research, making arguments, responding to points, and seeking to understand.
the trolling is to bring everyone down to Earth when things get too tense and/or too heated. it makes people laugh and lightens the situation a bit.
im a fun guy. i dont want personal attacks being thrown around constantly with people having vendettas. we're all smashers who share a common interest so lets not get so bent out of shape over MK even if we have conflicting ideas
on another note, pro-ban sucks
dear raziek,
did you read the last several pages? i was going to immediately stop responding to him in general because he refused to answer the question altho several people mentioned my question was simple in nature. he then prompted to ask me two questions where i responded with two answers and expected him to do the same with my question
this did not happen and he is asking me to continue to respond to him without having to respond himself. i, sir, do not approve. if you do, then you do you and imma do me.
there is no double standard. i respond to all of OS's posts unless they're novels as to refrain from writing each other chapter after chapter loads of "i disagree" and "you're wrong!" and that kinda stuff
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Just because I'm feeling nit-picky, and because taking this seriously will just piss more people off:How this debate will end:
1: If Omni is Mr. No, why is he in the leader's chair, despite claiming not to be the leader.
2: Omni does not have the final say in reality, since clearly everyone else there is supporting OS.
3: This is actually quite a clear representation. OS presents facts, Omni just decides to be a ****.
Look, I can link memes too!
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Are you implying that there is a reason to NOT main Metaknight? Anyone who is truly set on becoming the best and winning tournaments should main MK, its as simple as that. If you can't see that you're blind.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
I'm anti-ban but I can acknowledge OS does more than troll. Do we really have to name call?
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
I spent a while getting caught up from what I missed earlier today, so yes, I have read the last few pages.
I'd like to point out, that players on either side of the argument tended to lean one way or the other on whether or not your question was loaded. I personally believe it wasn't, but if you're choosing to stop responding completely, aren't you basically giving up?
On top of that, he clearly laid out his ban criteria within his novel, and as such, I don't think he needs to respond to your one-sentence question, because if he does, you're just going to pick out one particular weakness in it. Know why? Because it takes a novel to explain something without weakness.
If you have an issue with his criteria in his larger post, I fail to see why you cannot respond to it, because it seems he indirectly answered it fairly clearly. You asked why he would ban, (and since you allowed the neither option, he took it)and he responded, but you won't respond to it because you want him to not write a novel, which would more or less result in picking one of the two loaded options, since you can't answer neither in a sentence without getting attacked.
By this line of questioning, and your refusal to read anything longer than a few paragraphs, even though you provide the neither option, you invalidate it, so your question is infact loaded. Which means I'm now disagreeing with what I said in my first paragraph, through the process of thought displayed here.
But this might be too big for you. Such is how things go.
1.) why do you think? hylian subleased this thread to me.
2.) do you see my dank chair? do you not see how big my font is compared to the rest? i have the final say.
3.) the chart in the background is OS's graph that explains why Metaknight causes cancer. there's numbers and lines so it must be legit!
and my memes are funny. yours are outdated and oooooold. ooooo..
raziek, i am still and always have been open to questions and arguments from everyone. i am still currently researching local and regional results within the current metagame of 3 months. i am noting OS's data and noting his stance on the subject.
i admit i can be a **** from time to time, but so can OS and everyone else. big whoop. im dont get paid to be here. i do it because i enjoy that we have a community who is so outspoken and passionate about bettering the community regardless if we have different paths.
nah, this isn't long at all.I spent a while getting caught up from what I missed earlier today, so yes, I have read the last few pages.
I'd like to point out, that players on either side of the argument tended to lean one way or the other on whether or not your question was loaded. I personally believe it wasn't, but if you're choosing to stop responding completely, aren't you basically giving up?
On top of that, he clearly laid out his ban criteria within his novel, and as such, I don't think he needs to respond to your one-sentence question, because if he does, you're just going to pick out one particular weakness in it. Know why? Because it takes a novel to explain something without weakness.
If you have an issue with his criteria in his larger post, I fail to see why you cannot respond to it, because it seems he indirectly answered it fairly clearly. You asked why he would ban, (and since you allowed the neither option, he took it)and he responded, but you won't respond to it because you want him to not write a novel, which would more or less picking the two loaded options, since you can't answer neither in a sentence without getting attacked.
By this line of questioning, and your refusal to read anything longer than a few paragraphs, even though you provide the neither option, you invalidate it, so your question is infact loaded. Which means I'm now disagreeing with what I said in my first paragraph, through the process of thought displayed here.
But this might be too big for you. Such is how things go.
ankoku leaned on my side and he's extremely neutral. im choosing to stop responding based on principle, raziek. if i answer questions i expect to receive the same thing in return. my only quarrel and preference is that i don't want to respond to long posts because i have done so with overswarm in the past. it leads to post being 2x size in the amount followed by another followed by another and so on and so forth and when we're done... we've pretty much just said in a nutshell "i disagree". this isn't a new situation for me.
u can answer neither and give your specific point that is not A or B. all options are open and there are no restrictions to the question. contrary to belief, it isn't loaded.
what i read a lot of things that are more than a few paragraphs. are you comparing this post that u just made with Overswarm's?
u still seem mad. u still mad?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Not comparing my post with Overswarm's, just expressing a bit of the feeling of fuitility one gets debating with you.
So we've addressed that you choose not to respond to him based on principle, due to how long and involved things get. While getting involved and down to details seems like a good thing to me, I'll roll with it.
But the issue still remains, why can't you accept the answer he gave you? I'm not saying you have to respond to it, but can you not read it and say, "Ok, he feels this way because of this."?
He answered your question, it's just long. You don't have to respond to it, but you should at least acknowledge that he did in fact answer it.
Eddie G
Smash Hero
I question your intelligence and reading comprehension, I really do.
Overswarm obviously wrote his "novel" the length he did for the purpose of getting it all out on the table in one shot, to avoid the constant back and forth quote tower nit-picking you seem so opposed to. He even explained it as a disclaimer in the beginning of his post for crying out loud!
And your attempt to justify your trolling is even more asinine. Trolling is trolling, trolling ignites flame wars, despite your wish to "lighten the mood" (too bad, deal with it or leave)...trolling is definitely one of the most counter-productive ways to go about it.
Why you're even a mod is what I'd like to know.
inb4u mad
Get *****.
you couldn't imagine the futility i and many others have received debating with Overswarm. i'm just glad my numbers are still low!
there was a time where i was fine with getting into details and going back and forth endlessly. that time has passed.
what do you mean accept it? accept it as truth? you believe what he saying is fact? the amount of subjectivity in his post is astronomical as it should be when interpreting the facts and data. i still disagree with a very large portion of his statements and methods because i coming from a very different standpoint.
nah, he hasn't answered it specifically. and if he did answer my question then it means he didn't have a problem with it being "loaded"
enough about me and overswarm, tho'. i had no idea people were still putting me on pedestals to be MK's shining hope when i already stated ive moved down to being a regular. that would suck if no one stepped up to "represent" the anti-ban side. if the time comes and there really needs to be one i may go back into action depending on how busy i am with school. that likelihood is pretty slim tho; isnt there anyone else who'd make for a better representative?
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@King Beef: you saw my Van Damme dance? i'm partying, dude. you can question my character all you like, but the truth of the matter is when it comes down to business i don't play. for OS, this MK debate is business; for me its more of a form of entertainment.
there is a lot you don't know about me and a lot of things you are very ignorant of. i am a well-respected member of the community and i have contributed to more than just this MK debate.
step down, King Beef. step down.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
This is unbelievable. I am IN FACT MAD.
He laid out each and every piece of his criteria for a ban, when you asked, "Why do you ban, because of this, this, neither, why?"
I cannot see how this could be any more specific.
Furthermore:
ENGLISH, DO YOU SPEAK IT?Raziek said:
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