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Binx
Smash Master
brawl seems a little dissapointing for me, I really liked wavedashing and l canceling, I am sure I can still wreck noobs without it but this will change the entire way the game is played, I wonder what our new defense to shield grabbing is going to be (well mine is having Nana bash you in the face with a mallet).
KRyu
Smash Rookie
I don't see the big deal about wavedashing being gone, it just means you gotta come up with new strategies.... 'sides... it was just a glitch, wasn't it?
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
Do you like how the largest population of indivuals advocating a non-wavedashing metagame are the ones that have only made 6 posts and just joined 6 months ago?
Digital Watches
Smash Ace
Which is not to say that they don't accidentally have a point, uninformed as they probably are.
People can ***** all they want about specific features, but when it comes right down to it, the metagame will develop. It won't be the same metagame, but I doubt that it'll necessarily be bad. It's difficult to determine early in a game's life how the metagame is going to turn out. Look at Guilty Gear. When AC was about to come out, the throw breaks and pseudo-parrying system were announced, people were worried that the game would turn into a slow-paced quasi-Third Strike. They were not only wrong, but about as far off as is possible. These two particular changes turned out to be nearly insignificant, and the entire pace of the game was made much faster than the previous iteration, due to other changes.
Point is, don't call it too early. For all we know, the competitive metagame could end up infinitely more complex than Melee ever was.
Then again, maybe it won't. Who knows? They're not trying to make a high-level competitive game, and even if they were, no one in that business knows what the **** they're making. No matter what companies try, most of the time, 50% or more of the stuff used in the high-level game was never intended or even forseen by the creators of the game. The point is, taking out Wavedashing and L-Cancelling is a choice, all choices will effect the metagame, and it's FAR too early to tell in what way this will happen, how significantly, and whether or not this will make it a more rich and interesting metagame or not, and anyone who thinks they can predict it is stupid.
People can ***** all they want about specific features, but when it comes right down to it, the metagame will develop. It won't be the same metagame, but I doubt that it'll necessarily be bad. It's difficult to determine early in a game's life how the metagame is going to turn out. Look at Guilty Gear. When AC was about to come out, the throw breaks and pseudo-parrying system were announced, people were worried that the game would turn into a slow-paced quasi-Third Strike. They were not only wrong, but about as far off as is possible. These two particular changes turned out to be nearly insignificant, and the entire pace of the game was made much faster than the previous iteration, due to other changes.
Point is, don't call it too early. For all we know, the competitive metagame could end up infinitely more complex than Melee ever was.
Then again, maybe it won't. Who knows? They're not trying to make a high-level competitive game, and even if they were, no one in that business knows what the **** they're making. No matter what companies try, most of the time, 50% or more of the stuff used in the high-level game was never intended or even forseen by the creators of the game. The point is, taking out Wavedashing and L-Cancelling is a choice, all choices will effect the metagame, and it's FAR too early to tell in what way this will happen, how significantly, and whether or not this will make it a more rich and interesting metagame or not, and anyone who thinks they can predict it is stupid.
I agree, it should be against the law. And I also agree that the game is mroe about the player than the character. However, when players of similar skill levels play, the matchup will obviously play a huge role in the match. Everyone knows that. Just winning against noobs with bottom-tiers gets boring after a while. Beating competitive players with bottom tiers is more challenging.
No, it's to say we're the best Pichu/Kirby of the world, not just Oregon.
Digital Watches
Smash Ace
I think what Balloon is saying is that you should either man up and take that challenge, or choose another character. Neither of these solutions involve *****ing.
Doesn't matter. I'm the best Meta Knight in Oregon.
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Thank you. Finally some vocal and open support on these matters rather than those who agree but refuse to say anything.
Digital Watches
Smash Ace
Eheh. I was bored.
maximus
Smash Apprentice
I'm still in shock that the advanced tactics of Melee have been made impossible to execute-- don't get me wrong, I believe you guys who are attending the E for All Expo. And yes, it irks me too. What the hell is the dev. team thinking? Does this mean we'll be sticking to Melee mostly, and just playing Brawl "for fun?" I couldn't say, as I haven't gotten my hands on the demo. I am especially divided about this because, well, SSB64 was played at the tourney level. Yet, the other side of me thinks that even then, players could not have as unique a playing style (as they can in Melee), which is very important to me as a player. That's why I dislike the smash-orbs as well; the things are like auto-combo machines... Indeed, if Brawl is to be played at the tourney level, the orbs will be turned off like other items (that's probably why Sakurai made them items, I know). Even so, the fact still remains that many of the advanced tactics from Melee seem to be gone, as well the fact that online is anonymous (and is likely to be full of lag), which really frustrates me 
. I just hope what Watches has suggested becomes a reality.
. I just hope what Watches has suggested becomes a reality.KRyu
Smash Rookie
Wow. that was a rather cheap shot... but yeah.. you're right... I guess I just don't understand at all... because based on the small amount of posts I've made these past few months, that means I'm a TOTAL newbie at the game.... I've obviously never played before, so how could I understand that the lack of wave-dashing and L-cancelling has completely ruined your life and the game as well... I mean....it's gotta be terrible having to adapt and prove your skills by coming up with new strategies and ways to play and not be able to rely on the same old moves.
yes... forgive me and my obvious lack of intelligence on the matter.
Binx
Smash Master
Umm, actually we did adapt and learn new skills, nintendo chose to make the game easier to play and in so doing eliminated any sort of technical skill there was in smash, now the only differences will be proper spacing and mind games, poor silent wolf.
So I say to you as well as other casual players, go complain to nintendo that the game is TOO easy and you would like it to take a modicum of skill, have at least one or two techniques you have to AIM. They made the ranged ledge grapples automatic, and from what I have read they created a way to sweetspot without actually going low enough to have it matter, the game is rediuclous now, I will buy it, and I will try it out, but from what I've seen its just a slower melee with dumbed down gameplay.
I was actually thinking about this yesterday (I don't care about what you guys do with what tier since I have that "just whatever" mindset - I play Mewtwo a lot because he's fun, after all) when Josh said to me that timmy is the best Kirby in the world.. realistically, I'm sure Azen could just pick up Pichu or Kirby on spot and be better than both of you with them. So you're not the best of those in the world. Dig?
We will see about that Josh. I have some issues right now though. I have a 5 page paper due on monday for my political philosophy class as well as a midterm for calculus on the same day. I know absolutely nothing about calculus (I have no idea how I did this...) and am getting a tutor this sunday...
You've taken calc dude? If I bring some **** for you to help me with, will you? I'm seriously 100 percent lost in the class. I've failed the last two quizzes (second one being a 0 out of 15) and I haven't done any of the homework except the first assignment and a half.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
Eh, I'm sorry. It wasn't meant to be a personal attack on you. It was more of an observation that if you go into some of those heated brawl discussion threads you will see they are always un-known people argueing with other un-known people about the lack of presence and the affect thereof of wavedashing and l-canceling. You just don't see sephirothken in those threads or TheKing or Cactuar ect. It's like, the people who are argueing the most are the ones that it effects the least. That is all I was trying to say. Sorry for the confusion.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D533pueDHLc
ITV: the smash twins forget their full relation to eachother! :D
ITV: the smash twins forget their full relation to eachother! :D
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
It was a girl....he got nervous.
reminds me of the convo I had with sam
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:08 PM): holy ****ing ****
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:17 PM): I want to punch the chicks screaming in the background in all the brawl videos
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:18 PM): so bad
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:24 PM): yeah I know
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:24 PM): but
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:26 PM): there is one video
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:30 PM): with four chicks playing
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:33 PM): oh yeah i saw that
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:33 PM): with VERY nice legs
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:33 PM): lol
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:35 PM): so I don't care
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:36 PM): haha
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:37 PM): rolf
...(stuff)
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:25 PM): honestly though
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:29 PM): most of the guys at this convention
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:33 PM): are probably getting like
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:38 PM): the most female interaction of their lives
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:45 PM): which is why they hired the girls to be there
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:08 PM): holy ****ing ****
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:17 PM): I want to punch the chicks screaming in the background in all the brawl videos
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:18 PM): so bad
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:24 PM): yeah I know
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:24 PM): but
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:26 PM): there is one video
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:30 PM): with four chicks playing
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:33 PM): oh yeah i saw that
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:33 PM): with VERY nice legs
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:33 PM): lol
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:35 PM): so I don't care
SuperFreakingRad (4:09:36 PM): haha
SloppyTaco686 (4:09:37 PM): rolf
...(stuff)
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:25 PM): honestly though
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:29 PM): most of the guys at this convention
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:33 PM): are probably getting like
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:38 PM): the most female interaction of their lives
SuperFreakingRad (4:13:45 PM): which is why they hired the girls to be there
KRyu
Smash Rookie
y'know... in the back of my mind... I suspected my first instinct about it being an attack was completely off '_'; ah well.. live and learn. It's all good now ^^;
actully, I'm fairly unknown, I just play against t!mmy and t0mmy nearly every sunday under the name "Afro" ....unfortunately, someone was using tha name when I registered '_';
Of course, I do both those. And what is *****ing?
Yeah, everyone who says nothing are in obvious agreement with you. They probably don't really care.
First off, Brawl is going to be competitive. Just because it doesn't have all the advanced techniques from Melee doesn't make that any different. We've already had a Brawl tournament at E for All. In a way, it's a more competitive game than 64 or Melee, having tournaments before the game has even been released.What the hell is the dev. team thinking? Does this mean we'll be sticking to Melee mostly, and just playing Brawl "for fun?" I couldn't say, as I haven't gotten my hands on the demo.
Even so, the fact still remains that many of the advanced tactics from Melee seem to be gone, as well the fact that online is anonymous (and is likely to be full of lag), which really frustrates me
Secondly, you're just making assumptions like the online is anonymous and laggy. I don't know of either of these happening. Even so, people play Melee online with its lag AND bugs. it doesn't matter.
So, you'd say Azen has better understanding of stage selection, matchup, distancing, and timing, but not the character itself makes him a better player of that character? Sounds like he'd just be a better player to me. This has been a discussion in other threads before.
Kirby Kid didn't do as well as Nashun or t1mmy in that tournament. And I destroyed his Kirby when I played him. He probably just does better against campy Captain Falcons than t1mmy does, as I play a more aggressive Falcon.
lolz, I know. It was the girls.
We were also starting the match at time, so we were distracted by the girls and the game. I'm surprised we could talk at all.
jankerrific
Smash Journeyman
im not impressed so far with the way brawl is panning out, but im not going to let my hopes down until i see it for myself, or get a super negative review from players that are attending the demo. i bet everything will be fine in the end though.
Jank, every pro smasher at E For All agrees Brawl is waaaay too good. From what we've seen, it's no where near as technically demanding as Melee (which has had years of "research" anyway). But we all know tech is not what defines good players.
Melee is not going to fade away as quickly as SSB64. But everyone will be devouring Brawl in Feb. Chances are Brawl will take the spotlight, but that won't be determined until the players have the full version and more hands-on time.
If you want my persnoal opinion, I'm ready to give up Melee already and I haven't heard anyone disagree with me on this (except Gea who thinks his main Mario is bad in Brawl). It feels much more balanced. Part of me misses the fast-pace action of Melee of course.
Melee is not going to fade away as quickly as SSB64. But everyone will be devouring Brawl in Feb. Chances are Brawl will take the spotlight, but that won't be determined until the players have the full version and more hands-on time.
If you want my persnoal opinion, I'm ready to give up Melee already and I haven't heard anyone disagree with me on this (except Gea who thinks his main Mario is bad in Brawl). It feels much more balanced. Part of me misses the fast-pace action of Melee of course.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
Timmy were the girls hot?
maximus
Smash Apprentice
That's good to know, but what I wonder is how it really plays--now, I've watched just about every youtube'd video of Brawl @ E for All. Even so, one can't really experience what it's like to play a game unless...they've played it-- which you guys got to do... so, I wonder, is it really different from Melee and SSB64, or could I just like plug in a cube controller and get the smashing lip-snickety-pop just like that?
brdy_
Smash Lord
I want to bone some of those booth babes. That is all.
Digital Watches
Smash Ace
B-itching. I really don't think it's a big deal or have anything against you guys (hardly know ya, etc.), it just seemed like people didn't understand what Balloon was getting at.
Yeah, I'm doubting online play will ever become the staple format of the competitive community, so there's no reason to worry about it being laggy or anonymous.
Eh. It's a fine line between better player and better character-specific player, but when it comes down to it, better player is all that matters. It's fun to say you're the best _____, but really, what you want to be doing is winning, right? Does it matter what character you play?
Again, kind of a moot point.
I think I envy you guys more for that than getting to see brawl so early...
I'm just going to reiterate that CrazyKirbyKid has a better Kirby than Timmy in my opinion. Plus, I'm pretty sure most people would agree that my Falcon isn't campy. Usually the way I play is a mimickry of the way my opponent plays, so if anything it's only when other people are playing campy that I play that way.
No offense intended toward you, Timmy. I've never had any sort of problem with you other than your failure to upload videos of me and Eggz (which isn't a big deal at all) xD.
No offense intended toward you, Timmy. I've never had any sort of problem with you other than your failure to upload videos of me and Eggz (which isn't a big deal at all) xD.
Doc_Holiday
Smash Ace
Halo F.T.W.
Digital Watches
Smash Ace
Fixed, *****.
Doc_Holiday
Smash Ace
What is Guilty Gear