also need some help comboing marth. At the moment. From 0 percent im starting off with shine-> double jump-> ff dair->anotther shine-> double jump-> ff dair-> utilt-> sh uair-> to usually laser of forward air or something, then to forward smash or any smash. I dont even know if this combos.
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PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread
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Smash Lord
well they really shouldn't be letting you shine them at 0% but anyway.. i don't think shine-dair-shine works.. i think they can jump out before the second shine or di away from the dair (without platforms)
with platforms i like to do stuff like shine-.dair-land on top platform shine fj dj shine star ko
i think you can link a few nairs together sometimes... also uthrow works pretty well in my experience
utilt dair works better on floaties than shine dair
also i like techchase fsmash out of a dair or something.. fsmash on marth works great
with platforms i like to do stuff like shine-.dair-land on top platform shine fj dj shine star ko
i think you can link a few nairs together sometimes... also uthrow works pretty well in my experience
utilt dair works better on floaties than shine dair
also i like techchase fsmash out of a dair or something.. fsmash on marth works great
hmm okay. I'll try start including more untilt to dair after i finish dj dair(on fd anyway). And maybe dtilt would be usefull too, i dont seem to use it that much at all when im trying to combo. And i almost never use throws in combos, i guess i should. And yeah nair strings seem to be fairly effective. Leading to lasers when they're in the air too far away to a forward smash near the edge or some variation of that
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Smash Lord
Mogwai's guide vs "bad" characters:
laser them until they approach then hit them with something (bair utilt nair dair)
don't approach him you WILL get fair'd
also take what i say with a grain of salt.. i could be wrong about some things (i haven't played against any real good people ever :F)
laser them until they approach then hit them with something (bair utilt nair dair)
don't approach him you WILL get fair'd
also take what i say with a grain of salt.. i could be wrong about some things (i haven't played against any real good people ever :F)
Well, it actually depends on the good Ganon. Some Ganons will try to take laser hits and jab you after them, or counter your approaches with aerials OOS, etc. Some Ganons will just try to space Fairs hardcore so that you feel like you can't move, and some Ganons use lots of platforms to drop through with aerials to avoid lasers.
Dealing with all of this:
Lasers shut Ganons down. If they try to jab you after the laser hits, then you Nair/Fsmash(hilarious btw) them, or laser more. If they get to higher ground to avoid your lasers, then you should use higher lasers to hit them/position yourself to laser them when they fall or punish in some other way. You also want to laser Fair-happy Ganons so they can't move around and keep their big hitboxes out. Lasers ****.
If you get hit by Ganon, you can die pretty easily, so plan your attacks well. When you get a shine/uptilt, make the most of it with shines and Dairs at lower percents, and uptilts and Dairs at mid percents, and Dair tech chases to Dsmashes/Fsmashes(position dependent) at mid-higher percents.
That should do for now, I guess. I'll write a Ganon matchup eventually......lol.
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Smash Lord
Oh and I think ganon dies early to vertical KOs relative to horizontal KOs
I like the shine star KO on him too
(it only really works reliably on YS though)
I like the shine star KO on him too
(it only really works reliably on YS though)
Filthee
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first of all, god**** that was a fast response, ty for the info, what would be a good CP for a Fair happy ganon?
btw you are by far my fav falco to watch style wise, keep gettin freqnasty, **** is awesome
You mean stage CP? You'd want a lot of room, so either FD or DL(trust me, laser room is worth it) would be nice. PS is okay too(depending on your comfort zone).
Thanks man! I plan on really cleaning my game up so hopefully you'll only see better things from me. =)
Thanks man! I plan on really cleaning my game up so hopefully you'll only see better things from me. =)
Hey how to you avoid getting gimped by a forward smash happy marth so much. I feel like i know its coming yet i get fsmash even if i predict it. Maybe i've just got terrible spacing. But it's not so much of an issue on bigger stages. Yoshi story is the worst. The forward smash just ***** me. And counter when you least expect it is so annoying.
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Smash Lord
By gimped do you mean edgeguarding?
learn to ledgetech if you do
if not.. shield it and punish? (wd oos maybe shffl dair or something if he's close..)
learn to ledgetech if you do
if not.. shield it and punish? (wd oos maybe shffl dair or something if he's close..)
do you need to di towards the ledge with the cstick the help tech marths fsmash. Like half way through your up b, about to hit the ledge you press l, then hold the c stick towards the ledge?.
And i mean like im standing with sheild up i try to jump out but get f smashed just as i jump. Then they f smash twice for edge guard and second one usually kills me: /. But yeah i probably should just do basic stuff like rolling behind them when they try fsmash and fsmash them in back.
And yeah i need to wd oos would be good i should try and do it more
And i mean like im standing with sheild up i try to jump out but get f smashed just as i jump. Then they f smash twice for edge guard and second one usually kills me: /. But yeah i probably should just do basic stuff like rolling behind them when they try fsmash and fsmash them in back.
And yeah i need to wd oos would be good i should try and do it more
@Animal: Sure bro. Just let me know.
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Smash Lord
yeah it helps
if you know regular DI won't save you just go all out on smash DI
when you're about to get hit press and hold L (or R) and sdi into the stage like hell
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Smash Lord
holding it gives ASDI, and if you use the c-stick for this it overrides the control stick's ASDI
tapping it is plain old SDI and gives you more SDi so you get closer to the ledge than just 1 frame of ASDI
tapping it is plain old SDI and gives you more SDi so you get closer to the ledge than just 1 frame of ASDI
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Smash Lord
well you don't HAVE to hold it, but i find it makes it easier
i think that doing semi circles is easier/can work better than tap spamming/timing a single tap
i think that doing semi circles is easier/can work better than tap spamming/timing a single tap
Little England
Smash Master
What are the benefits/losses from air dodging onto the stage after a ledge tech/ledge tech wall jump as supposed to forward b'ing?
****, this thread blew back up overnight, 
for whatever it's worth, I think Falco is one of his own best teammates. double Falco's pressure, stage control, and straight up offensive output are amazing and I think it's a great team so long as the other team doesn't have a peach.
for whatever it's worth, I think Falco is one of his own best teammates. double Falco's pressure, stage control, and straight up offensive output are amazing and I think it's a great team so long as the other team doesn't have a peach
.So at a tournament this weekend I entered as "Dr. Peef Peef". They called my name for pools and saw me all up in that bracket and many lols were had and success stories written.
Little England
Smash Master
Agreed! Falco is a great team partner.****, this thread blew back up overnight,
for whatever it's worth, I think Falco is one of his own best teammates. double Falco's pressure, stage control, and straight up offensive output are amazing and I think it's a great team so long as the other team doesn't have a peach
For what its worth. In friendlies, I did well with Falco against Connor and MacD's double Peach team.
well, that's cause double peach is a bad team
. but for instance, I think Peach Fox, Peach Sheik, and Peach Marth all **** double Falco.benefits are that it's unexpected and has less landing lag
losses are the hitbox of the forward B (if you're going high), which tends to hit the opponent since they're frequently still in move lag at that point, or the sweetspot on the ledge (if you go low).
ALSO, Pro-English Tip from Mogweezy: The phrase you're looking for is "as opposed to" not "as supposed to."
MacD
Banned via Administration
MM us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you suck, we'd tear you a new one
/fake meanness because apparently i'm sippin on haterade in this thread <3
you suck, we'd tear you a new one
/fake meanness because apparently i'm sippin on haterade in this thread <3
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Smash Lord
It's hatorade
scrub
unknown522
Some guy
Yoshi's seems to be good as well vs ganon in general. He has no room to set up his attacks.
I strongly disagree... Ganon on YS scares the **** out of me. I'd say it's BY FAR the worst neutral in the matchup.
X1-12
Smash Champion
I Think it depends on the ganon, some ganons say they need more space to move but some love it for wavelands and spacing bairs etc
space for Ganon to move = space for me to stop him from moving by shooting the **** out of him. if you aren't afraid to just run away and shoot that big slow mother ****er, space is much more beneficial to Falco than it is to Ganon.
I don't like fighting Ganon on YS. Ganon gets on that top platform and drops through with any move and Falco is having a bad time. Plus, Falco gets hit once and is being edgeguarded(as opposed to 2 hits =p).
@PEEF: That is amazing LOL.
@MacD: What a jerk. <3
@Double Falco: I don't like it. Lasers tend to cross over and interfere with each Falco's control, and they both die quickly, can't save each other, and don't really kill easily. That's just my take on it though.
@PEEF: That is amazing LOL.
@MacD: What a jerk. <3
@Double Falco: I don't like it. Lasers tend to cross over and interfere with each Falco's control, and they both die quickly, can't save each other, and don't really kill easily. That's just my take on it though.
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
New discovery: shine up air is the greatest thing to ever exist. That is all.
just seems like you need better laser coordination with your teammate. the die quickly thing is true. they can save each other easily with lasers and shines (mostly lasers, going offstage is usually stupid). and with two Falcos, as long as you have good combo chemistry, you can set up absurd kills.
only vs. players with no DI or who DI shines up (also stupid)
. standard shine DI (away), completely ruins shine -> uair.
Hmmmm, well, I guess I'll try double Falco again sometime just to see what it's like then.
Edit: that makes sense though.
Edit: that makes sense though.
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
I know, I wasn't being serious. It is hilarious when it works, though.
Little England
Smash Master
Wait..you were talking about double Falco? O_O Thats a horrible team!well, that's cause double peach is a bad team
I'm still having trouble comboing mart with shine. Even below 35 percent. I can shine-> dj-> dair ff, beating the mart to the ground slightly but the mart seems to be able to fair our of it or counter when i go for the utilt.
Edit: also comboing sheik same aspect as marth? Or can you shine her on higher percentage
Edit: also comboing sheik same aspect as marth? Or can you shine her on higher percentage
the answer is to make sure you're strong dairing and then shining instead of utilt. requires you to be fast, but it's how you combo them at lower %s. ****it, wouldn't get questions like this if I just got some stuff in the matchup thread... OK, that's it, I'm getting at least Marth up tonight. PP, come to my apt and hold me at gunpoint if I fail to do it .
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The Irish Mafia
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PP, what I forgot to mention on FB is that the first half of the anti peach technique is just placing your lazers accurately so she has to land
Most falcos I play, when I get in the air they just sort of shoot lazers at me, you gotta snipe her. Imagine you only get one shot to knock her out of the air, duck hunt style
PS falcos: if you shoot a peach out of the air, in the time from lazer hit to landing, peach is really really vulnerable. If you need to approach her, that's the time.
I'm playing this character vs peach from now on, also vs peaches' bad matchups
Most falcos I play, when I get in the air they just sort of shoot lazers at me, you gotta snipe her. Imagine you only get one shot to knock her out of the air, duck hunt style
PS falcos: if you shoot a peach out of the air, in the time from lazer hit to landing, peach is really really vulnerable. If you need to approach her, that's the time.
I'm playing this character vs peach from now on, also vs peaches' bad matchups
@ Mogwai: Couldn't we just do more fun friendlies instead? =p
@IM: Yeah I knew about that part. Thanks for reminding me though.
@IM: Yeah I knew about that part. Thanks for reminding me though.