stabbedbyanipple
Smash Master
So is Fair actually good against Ganon? lol
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PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread
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Heeeeeck yeah it is! =p
Fair comes out really quickly, hits a lot(lol Ganon DI) and since you're probably still hitting Ganon close to the ground you can cancel it and follow up with Uptilt, another Fair, Nair, Fsmash if Ganon lost his jump trying to DI up and just falls into the ****(use your best judgment), etc.
Plus, I like how funny it looks. Ganon can't look that silly.
Fair comes out really quickly, hits a lot(lol Ganon DI) and since you're probably still hitting Ganon close to the ground you can cancel it and follow up with Uptilt, another Fair, Nair, Fsmash if Ganon lost his jump trying to DI up and just falls into the ****(use your best judgment), etc.
Plus, I like how funny it looks. Ganon can't look that silly.
stabbedbyanipple
Smash Master
Also, you Utilt facing forward on Hbox's shield and then did jab-jab and didn't get shield grabbed.
Was that a spur of the moment thing or does that actually work? lol
Was that a spur of the moment thing or does that actually work? lol
That's me doing weird shield pressure things lol. It's not really a good idea, but sometimes whatever comes to mind is so bizarre that the opponent just tries to get away from it and gets hit.
Definitely not something you'd want to use more than a couple times a set.....if that.
Definitely not something you'd want to use more than a couple times a set.....if that.
S l o X
Smash Champion
I'm gonna read this and hopefully memorize it before Pound 4....even though I'm just spectating :DD
Looks great read over marth CP and skimmed it <33 PP
Looks great read over marth CP and skimmed it <33 PP
forward
Smash Champion
Time for the next great Falco to put in his community service for all the **** he's committed 
It's an honor, Forward.
If you ever want to share your wisdom, please feel free. =)
Also, please tell me you're going to Pound. =p
If you ever want to share your wisdom, please feel free. =)
Also, please tell me you're going to Pound. =p
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
What do you mean by falling backwards?
Aerial DI'ing away from Falco.
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
do you have any teeeeeeeeeeeeps for falco dittos?
thanks in advance.
thanks in advance.
I'll just say a few things, since I'm supposed to be working with Mogwai on all of these matchups(sorry Mogwai).
-Nair is bad to use at low percentages because it can be CC shined
-Uthrow usually lets you have a shine or an aerial, but Fthrow sets up a tech chase/guessing game so it's good too. Bthrow is good for a surprise/bad DI/gimp
-don't try to spend loads of time comboing. if you can hit someone offstage then do it before you knock them too far away in a combo to hit them offstage. Falco can edgeguard himself pretty well.
-edgeguard with angled Ftilt, Dsmash, run off DJ back up Dair, ledgehop Bair, Fsmash
-use platforms(to simplify things) to get your lasers in on a Falco who is using them to control the bottom of the stage
-Shine OOS is great for anti-pressure
-look for the best way to death combo off of a hit. There usually is a way to do it lol.
-Nair is bad to use at low percentages because it can be CC shined
-Uthrow usually lets you have a shine or an aerial, but Fthrow sets up a tech chase/guessing game so it's good too. Bthrow is good for a surprise/bad DI/gimp
-don't try to spend loads of time comboing. if you can hit someone offstage then do it before you knock them too far away in a combo to hit them offstage. Falco can edgeguard himself pretty well.
-edgeguard with angled Ftilt, Dsmash, run off DJ back up Dair, ledgehop Bair, Fsmash
-use platforms(to simplify things) to get your lasers in on a Falco who is using them to control the bottom of the stage
-Shine OOS is great for anti-pressure
-look for the best way to death combo off of a hit. There usually is a way to do it lol.
Igcoris
Smash Journeyman
A shine is a stock, right, PP?
In a perfect Falco ditto, yeah. =p
Usually you can apply that to Fox as well.
Edit: and Falcon. Lol that guy is so fun to combo too.
Usually you can apply that to Fox as well.
Edit: and Falcon. Lol that guy is so fun to combo too.
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
should you shield pressure falco? or is there always a way to get out of it?
double shine shield pressure is **** in dittos and shine grab's pretty good too, but conventional pillar gets ***** by shine OoS these days.
PP can post 10.000 times but is still never online at the same time as me except for that one time when he had to go to play Twitch
PP can post 10.000 times but is still never online at the same time as me except for that one time when he had to go to play Twitch
I'm sorry. =(
I'm gonna try to get in touch with you tomorrow night(tonight whatever) and tomorrow and we'll get stuff done.
Friday I'm pretty open too, afternoon and on.
Twitch wanting to play Melee is sooooo tough to resist though. =p Sorry I did that again. I'm weak.
I'm gonna try to get in touch with you tomorrow night(tonight whatever) and tomorrow and we'll get stuff done.
Friday I'm pretty open too, afternoon and on.
Twitch wanting to play Melee is sooooo tough to resist though. =p Sorry I did that again. I'm weak.
lol, it's cool, I'm just busting your balls 
. we'll chat a little tonight, but I just have an idea for a way that we can do a collaboration without having to coordinate schedules.
. we'll chat a little tonight, but I just have an idea for a way that we can do a collaboration without having to coordinate schedules.
Alright, well that's fine. I'll hit you up tonight then.
*Subscribes to thread*
Jeez thats in-depth. Probably amazing though
<333 PP
Jeez thats in-depth. Probably amazing though
<333 PP
forward
Smash Champion
f-tilt at high % in falco dittos is really good
Hahaha <3 Teczero. I'll show you all of it in-person(better this time) at the hotel room before you get all crazy on us. =p
That's a good point Forward.
That's a good point Forward.
I dunno what time you're planning to use to play
....Ok I'm lying we gotta play tons I'll give you stuff to write about for vs sheik at least or so I plan to
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Professor PissUrine, could you please tell me why Falco's Dair from below > Falcon's Dair from above?
I'm not sure I understand, Zero.
Awesome Teczero. I actually have quite a bit of learning to do about Sheik, so you'd be awesome help. =)
Awesome Teczero. I actually have quite a bit of learning to do about Sheik, so you'd be awesome help. =)
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Captain Falcon, mightiest of all men:
leaps into the air with great, deliberate strength. He sees the gun-toting bird, Falco pursue with his own leap as well. Confident that such a move will cost the Falco dearly, Captain Douglass J. Falcon does a Dair, infused with all the power of the greatest stomp.
Falco, a silly bird:
Knows that he will be punished for being gay, but he sees a bug below his boot. Afraid that this fly might gimp him, he executes a Dair.
As Falcon's stomp comes in contact with Falco's head, CAPTAIN FALCON is spiked downwards and Falco is completely unscathed.
Why?
These jumps are full hops btw.
leaps into the air with great, deliberate strength. He sees the gun-toting bird, Falco pursue with his own leap as well. Confident that such a move will cost the Falco dearly, Captain Douglass J. Falcon does a Dair, infused with all the power of the greatest stomp.
Falco, a silly bird:
Knows that he will be punished for being gay, but he sees a bug below his boot. Afraid that this fly might gimp him, he executes a Dair.
As Falcon's stomp comes in contact with Falco's head, CAPTAIN FALCON is spiked downwards and Falco is completely unscathed.
Why?
These jumps are full hops btw.
I definitely read both of those words in your original question as "Falco." Lol I'm dumb.
Falco's Dair is faster than Falcon's and a majority of his body is a hitbox(like Falcon's) I believe.
Falco's Dair is faster than Falcon's and a majority of his body is a hitbox(like Falcon's) I believe.
Staying with NC was such a good idea
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
This post is awesome.Captain Falcon, mightiest of all men:
leaps into the air with great, deliberate strength. He sees the gun-toting bird, Falco pursue with his own leap as well. Confident that such a move will cost the Falco dearly, Captain Douglass J. Falcon does a Dair, infused with all the power of the greatest stomp.
Falco, a silly bird:
Knows that he will be punished for being gay, but he sees a bug below his boot. Afraid that this fly might gimp him, he executes a Dair.
As Falcon's stomp comes in contact with Falco's head, CAPTAIN FALCON is spiked downwards and Falco is completely unscathed.
Why?
These jumps are full hops btw.
Mogwai and I are doing a collaboration thread thing:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=260699
I guess this thread will now be an advice thread(moreso than it was before).
Also, I'm changing the title back. =p
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=260699
I guess this thread will now be an advice thread(moreso than it was before).
Also, I'm changing the title back. =p
Igcoris
Smash Journeyman
PP, do you have any knowledge on the LHDL? I think all LHDL heights are punishable, but I'm not too clear on that. The only way I can avoid not getting punished is mixing up heights ie one high one low, 2 low, 1 mid 1 low etc.
edit: i'm not looking for another way to get on, i'm just wondering what you're outlook on the whole LHDL business is.
edit: i'm not looking for another way to get on, i'm just wondering what you're outlook on the whole LHDL business is.
Yeah, I'd say all of the possible heights you could use for LHDL are punishable, but you can kind of react to what your opponent does and scale your lasers to that when you let go of the edge. For example, if your opponent runs in and jumps high as you're letting go of the edge, then you'll want to jump asap so you can get the high laser on him.
Mixing them up is always a good thing.
Mixing them up is always a good thing.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Dr. PissPiss, why don't you like my avatar?
I dunno Zero. It's fine lol.
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
How do you have laser control if the other guy keeps camping platforms?
Well, you keep the person limited to platforms, so you can control the bottom of the stage. You can use jumping momentum to go up and hit the person easier then the person on the platforms can fall down and hit you(because you can punish them easier for it...because of lasers). Thing is, those jumps can be baited and the platform camper can also hit you. You, as Falco, kind of control how all of this plays out because you control the bottom(because of your lasers).
Does that make sense?
Does that make sense?
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
Sorry that made no sense LOLOL
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
Whoops double posted
Basically, Falco controls the bottom of the stage because of his lasers. From the bottom, he has the most options. Because he has more options, he can influence his opponent better. If the opponent comes to the bottom, they get lasered and are usually trapped in their shield(at least until the approaching Falco makes another move).
I'm kinda bad at paraphrasing, but does that make sense?
I'm kinda bad at paraphrasing, but does that make sense?
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
So I should just force them to come down?
Shaeman111
Smash Ace
laser camp until you get bored.
if laser camping bores you, change your main.
EDIT: all seriousness, platform approaches are very risky because if you tag them with a laser, or space properly, they're zero to death comboed.... or at least if you're peepee; therefore as long as you laser camp on the ground, they have no choice but to camp on platforms. and you have control, because youre forcing them to play defensively, while lasers... are offensive. You choose when to approach; they can't.
if laser camping bores you, change your main.
EDIT: all seriousness, platform approaches are very risky because if you tag them with a laser, or space properly, they're zero to death comboed.... or at least if you're peepee; therefore as long as you laser camp on the ground, they have no choice but to camp on platforms. and you have control, because youre forcing them to play defensively, while lasers... are offensive. You choose when to approach; they can't.