Project M Social Thread

[Strong Badam]

Do you actually use Sonic?

 

[KingClubber]

Yes, was my first brawl main, before switching to kirby for less aerial landing lag.

 

[Strong Badam]

But do you use him in PM, the game that matters?

 

[KingClubber]

LOL, nice one.

I haven't played with him much on the Demo, because other the the hit boxes added to the both spin dashes, and the momentum capture i don't feel much of a difference.

The only that kinda was the jump cancel out of the homing hit.

 

[Juushichi]

The fact that they look the same is a bit of a mix up by itself because if you think you're getting the same thing, youre kinda mistaken.

 

[KingClubber]

The fact that they look the same is a bit of a mix up by itself because if you think you're getting the same thing, youre kinda mistaken.

Sigh, I know the difference between the two attacks, but most of the properties of the side-b can be moved over to the down-b with little problem, and Sonic would be better for it.

I know the attacks looked the same, i used that to my advantage many times, but after playing with him for so long it think it would work better if Sonic was given a new Side-B.

 

[Sneak8288]

then why not just asked for down b to change instead of side b

 

[krackizwak]

It actually wasn't hard to get around.

That's just very disappointing... Well hopefully the PM team will be able to make the move a stronger addition to zelda without making it OP. They not doubt will.

 

[KingClubber]

The Down-b is more natural to any Sonic player who has played a classic Sonic game, i don't even know where Nintendo got the idea for it to done on the Side-B, other then maybe Sonic Rush but thats a totally different move.

 

[Spoon~]

That's just very disappointing... Well hopefully the PM team will be able to make the move a stronger addition to zelda without making it OP. They not doubt will.

Don't get me wrong they are nice for edgeguarding and stage control, but think of them like samus missiles, any good player is going to get around/through them. You're supposed to use them to make your opponent go where you want them to be.

 

[krackizwak]

Don't get me wrong they are nice for edgeguarding and stage control, but think of them like samus missiles, any good player is going to get around/through them. You're supposed to use them to make your opponent go where you want them to be.

Ah, I miss understood you then, I was under the impression that they were failing at the intended purpose of being a zoning tool. Thank you for clearing that up.

 

[MaxThunder]

The Down-b is more natural to any Sonic player who has played a classic Sonic game, i don't even know where Nintendo got the idea for it to done on the Side-B, other then maybe Sonic Rush but thats a totally different move.

I really don't think sonic needs a new attack... really... he's doing fine atm so...

 

[Redd]

Crimson is literally having a 4 day smashfest, so I think tomorrow I'll take P:M and the livestream and just run it for a few days haha.

 

[Sneak8288]

where does crimson live? i may not be to far from that part of VA

 

[Redd]

Vienna, near Fairfax.

 

[MonkUnit]

By streaming for a few days, do you mean non stop streaming? I doubt it though. Lol.

 

[iLink]

I know that, but the differences are much smaller then the similarities.

The only real Side-B differences are

The Invincibility frames.
The small hop.
The Hold charge for damage, and speed.
Some momentum stuff.
Turning around in the air.

The could move some of this stuff over to the Down-B, and just make a totally new Side-B.

Edit:

Forgot about the shielding part. but that can be moved to.

Just by reading that, I can tell you know very little about his sideb and downb mechanics.

A simple difference between them is downb can be canceled on the ground with a shield if it started airborn.

The charge hold also applies to downb. Downb is also better momentum wise for spin shots and such.

 

[Redd]

By streaming for a few days, do you mean non stop streaming? I doubt it though. Lol.

Streaming as long as possible/there are people to play it... so yes.

 

[ClinkStryphart]

About sonic: M currently in the demo I think he's personally fine. His Down B is natural it feels like how it was from past sonic games. also it allows for a pretty good damage lock especially if people don't DI out of it properly. The side B he has is fine also since what Kaizo said is true it does allow for recovery mix ups.

If anything was to be changed to his side B maybe a firefox type move but sideways sort like the flame shield from sonic 3 was. Actually a better representation for that move would be Kirby's Melee Dash attack but I don't think its possible to add that to this game. idk its just an idea if it were to be changed.

Again though I personally think sonic M is currently fine the way he is.

 

[smashbro29]

I think sonic should get a light speed dash. He could say "go!" Just an idea.

 

[Strong Badam]

We're doing some minor buffs to Sonic's gameplay and edited his downsmash animation so he isn't ***** if it's shielded. He was very solid in the demo so we aren't going to be making huge changes, but there will be some.

 

[Spoon~]

I think sonic should get a light speed dash. He could say "go!" Just an idea.

lolwut?

10whats

 

[jalued]

We're doing some minor buffs to Sonic's gameplay and edited his downsmash animation so he isn't ***** if it's shielded. He was very solid in the demo so we aren't going to be making huge changes, but there will be some.

included in the patch or just final release?

 

[Shadic]

It would be included in any patch. Our goal isn't to make the patch severely outdated upon release, it just happened last time.

 

[jalued]

It would be included in any patch. Our goal isn't to make the patch severely outdated upon release, it just happened last time.

So the patch will be your current build minus some characters and stages? to put it simply

 

[MaxThunder]

^^ sounds like that's the plan...'

wah.. i'm gonna go to tenerife for 3 weeks now... no smash for a while=(... wah=(...

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Y'know, it's not really all that much of a patch anymore in anything but name.

I think at this point it's safe to call it Demo 2.

 

[Cero]

A simple difference between them is downb can be canceled on the ground with a shield if it started airborn.

Are you talking about the demo or the current build?

I'm using the demo and I'm starting the down b in midair and trying to cancel the roll on the ground with a shield but no dice.

 

[iLink]

Are you talking about the demo or the current build?

I'm using the demo and I'm starting the down b in midair and trying to cancel the roll on the ground with a shield but no dice.

You have to release the charge in the air to actually start the attack, which then you can cancel on the ground by holding shield.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

So the patch will be your current build minus some characters and stages? to put it simply

All the characters actually.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Actually they'll be releasing the patch after the full build.

Totally calling it.

 

[Cero]

You have to release the charge in the air to actually start the attack, which then you can cancel on the ground by holding shield.

By attack, you mean the rolling part right? I do that, roll on the ground, and the only thing I can do is jump cancel out of the spin.

 

[Spoon~]

All the characters actually.

They've stated hundreds of times that no new characters in the patch.

 

[moleman915]

Actually, they did say recently they were open minded about it. Consiidering it's been half a year since the demo was released.

But nothing is for suree of course.

 

[Shenanigans]

Do you actually use Sonic?

I use him, I hvent seen much of him compared to other characters. That's why I been asking about his changes.

U said he was solid in the demo but he really isn't. Everyone said he was suppose to be a gimper, tho maybe it's the other characters I play to, no one should have to rely on it. Which is the way it seems when I play friends around here. He just doesn't feel as solid as everyone makes him seem.

What changes have been made? I thought his bait should have more k.o. Potential than it has because of the lag on it.

 

[iLink]

By attack, you mean the rolling part right? I do that, roll on the ground, and the only thing I can do is jump cancel out of the spin.

You sure you are doing downb and not sideb? Just jump in the air and start the spin charge and release it before reaching the ground and just hold the shield button and it should cancel the attack when he lands.

 

[Cero]

OH ****, lol.

I didn't know you had to release the down b before hitting the ground. I thought you meant canceling the roll on the ground with shield.

Thanks, broski.

 

[iLink]

OH ****, lol.

I didn't know you had to release the down b before hitting the ground. I thought you meant canceling the roll on the ground with shield.

Thanks, broski.

Ya sorry if I wasn't being clear lol. A practical application to that is forcing your opponent to put their shield up but then just canceling it and grabbing them.

 

[Cero]

Yeah, I'm trying to use it like a shine grab.

Short hop -> down b -> shield grab.

This is a good mix up.

 

[Sneak8288]

I use him, I hvent seen much of him compared to other characters. That's why I been asking about his changes.

U said he was solid in the demo but he really isn't. Everyone said he was suppose to be a gimper, tho maybe it's the other characters I play to, no one should have to rely on it. Which is the way it seems when I play friends around here. He just doesn't feel as solid as everyone makes him seem.

What changes have been made? I thought his bait should have more k.o. Potential than it has because of the lag on it.

sonic IS a solid character, most just don't play him well. Watch FireballStars (correct the name if im wrong) sonic