vegeta18
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About this Topic:
Just as the title reads, this a topic that lists pros and cons for every character in the game. The list is in alphabetical order. Some characters were easier to find data on than others. Most of my research came from this website, either the posts in this thread, the individual character boards, or just simply the knowledge i had in my head. I will constantly update this topic over time, so if you see any flaws that need some work, feel free to post and i will read over it and update the list for any character.
Also please note that the amount of pros and cons for each character holds no meaning at all. It was easier for me to find data on some characters more than others, so if a certain character has a ton more pros than cons that doesnt necessarily mean they are better than the characters with more cons. It was all based off that data i was able to find while making this thread.
This topic is great for those who are new to this game, unfamiliar with a few certain characters, or are still having trouble picking your mains. I hope this will aid you guys a ton, and help you to overcome bad match ups.
Huge thank you to the user @BlueXenon who made a topic very similar to this in the brawl forums long ago, it was an extremely useful tool for me as i was first learning the game, and was my motivation to make this thread for sma4sh. Original Brawl thread is here.http://smashboards.com/threads/pros-cons-of-each-character.306655/
Just as the title reads, this a topic that lists pros and cons for every character in the game. The list is in alphabetical order. Some characters were easier to find data on than others. Most of my research came from this website, either the posts in this thread, the individual character boards, or just simply the knowledge i had in my head. I will constantly update this topic over time, so if you see any flaws that need some work, feel free to post and i will read over it and update the list for any character.
Also please note that the amount of pros and cons for each character holds no meaning at all. It was easier for me to find data on some characters more than others, so if a certain character has a ton more pros than cons that doesnt necessarily mean they are better than the characters with more cons. It was all based off that data i was able to find while making this thread.
This topic is great for those who are new to this game, unfamiliar with a few certain characters, or are still having trouble picking your mains. I hope this will aid you guys a ton, and help you to overcome bad match ups.
Huge thank you to the user @BlueXenon who made a topic very similar to this in the brawl forums long ago, it was an extremely useful tool for me as i was first learning the game, and was my motivation to make this thread for sma4sh. Original Brawl thread is here.http://smashboards.com/threads/pros-cons-of-each-character.306655/
Pros:
+Very powerful Smash attacks
+ very heavy
+ great dash speed
+ good range on a lot of attacks
Cons:
- has tough time getting past zoning
- combo`d easily
- large size makes it hard easy to be hit by things
- somewhat poor recovery
+Very powerful Smash attacks
+ very heavy
+ great dash speed
+ good range on a lot of attacks
Cons:
- has tough time getting past zoning
- combo`d easily
- large size makes it hard easy to be hit by things
- somewhat poor recovery
Pros:
+ has 2 hurtboxes, takes less damage when his clown car is hit
+ mecha koopa great for mind games and stage control
+ powerful smash attacks
+Great Zoning Options
+ side special can be cancelled into U-air or other aerials
+ Bair and dair
Cons:
- mecha koopa can be used against bowser jr
- takes extra damage when bowser jr himself is attacked
- smashes require hard reads
- laggy cannonballs
- many laggy moves in general
+ has 2 hurtboxes, takes less damage when his clown car is hit
+ mecha koopa great for mind games and stage control
+ powerful smash attacks
+Great Zoning Options
+ side special can be cancelled into U-air or other aerials
+ Bair and dair
Cons:
- mecha koopa can be used against bowser jr
- takes extra damage when bowser jr himself is attacked
- smashes require hard reads
- laggy cannonballs
- many laggy moves in general
Pros:
+Stupid good combo potential and damage outputs
+Intimidating to a lot of players (Subjective)
+Very good kill options (Knee, Raptor, Flc Kick, Flc Pawnch, DAir, BAir, Up Throw)
+Easy to stage spike with
+Good approach options
+One of the best, if not the best, dash grabs in the game
+Fast Running speed
+Good weight
Cons:
-Not very many spacing options
-Suffers a bit when being zoned out well (Mainly Projectiles)
-Tall hurtbox
-Standing Grab has very little range
+Stupid good combo potential and damage outputs
+Intimidating to a lot of players (Subjective)
+Very good kill options (Knee, Raptor, Flc Kick, Flc Pawnch, DAir, BAir, Up Throw)
+Easy to stage spike with
+Good approach options
+One of the best, if not the best, dash grabs in the game
+Fast Running speed
+Good weight
Cons:
-Not very many spacing options
-Suffers a bit when being zoned out well (Mainly Projectiles)
-Tall hurtbox
-Standing Grab has very little range
Pros:
+ Surprisingly good ground speed.
+ Rock Smash has incredible super armor and does tons of damage.
+ His jab, neutral air, and up smash are all fast moves that are easy to land(important for heavy weights to have).
+ Amazing grab range.
+ Nair combos into jabs instantly
+ Very heavy damage-output character
+ Flare Blitz is deadly when catching opponent off guard
+ Great at edge-guarding
+ Tilts give good spacing options
+ Up throw is a strong kill throw, especially under platforms
Cons:
- Having two short air jumps limits your air speed, making follow up attacks difficult.
- Large hurtbox, vulnerable to combos and projectiles.
- Limited approach options outside of Flamethrower.
- Tricky character to master and use effectively.
- Slow air movement
- Rock smash is beaten by swords
- Heavy character (easily combo'd)
+ Surprisingly good ground speed.
+ Rock Smash has incredible super armor and does tons of damage.
+ His jab, neutral air, and up smash are all fast moves that are easy to land(important for heavy weights to have).
+ Amazing grab range.
+ Nair combos into jabs instantly
+ Very heavy damage-output character
+ Flare Blitz is deadly when catching opponent off guard
+ Great at edge-guarding
+ Tilts give good spacing options
+ Up throw is a strong kill throw, especially under platforms
Cons:
- Having two short air jumps limits your air speed, making follow up attacks difficult.
- Large hurtbox, vulnerable to combos and projectiles.
- Limited approach options outside of Flamethrower.
- Tricky character to master and use effectively.
- Slow air movement
- Rock smash is beaten by swords
- Heavy character (easily combo'd)
Pros:
- Large, disjointed hitboxes.
- great range on attacks
- Several kill options.
- Fairly good combo ability.
- Good at juggling.
- Aerials that make them difficult to challenge in the air.
- Little landing lag on most aerials.
Cons:
- Short grab range.
- Difficulty approaching, especially against projectile wielders.
- Unimpressive recovery.
- Can sometimes have difficulty landing kill moves.
- Large, disjointed hitboxes.
- great range on attacks
- Several kill options.
- Fairly good combo ability.
- Good at juggling.
- Aerials that make them difficult to challenge in the air.
- Little landing lag on most aerials.
Cons:
- Short grab range.
- Difficulty approaching, especially against projectile wielders.
- Unimpressive recovery.
- Can sometimes have difficulty landing kill moves.
Pros:
+ great recovery
+ more powerful arrows than regular pit
+ electroshock arm has super armor and can kill very early(thanks buffs)
+ better voice than pit? (subjective)
Cons:
- arrows are slower and easier to dodge than regular pit`s
- laggy aerials?
- less range on arrows than regular pit
+ great recovery
+ more powerful arrows than regular pit
+ electroshock arm has super armor and can kill very early(thanks buffs)
+ better voice than pit? (subjective)
Cons:
- arrows are slower and easier to dodge than regular pit`s
- laggy aerials?
- less range on arrows than regular pit
Pros :
+ Reliable kill setups
+ Great frame data
+ Excellent combo potential
+ Down throw + up air can kill at extremely low percents and is very strong combination in general
+ Powerful and versatile projectiles
+ Good horizontal and vertical recovery options
+ Great match-ups
+ Insane hitboxes
+ Very fast
+ fair and bair are fast and very hard to punish
Cons:
- can take advantage of diddy`s recovery
- banana`s can be used against him
- whiffed side special has a lot of landing lag
+ Reliable kill setups
+ Great frame data
+ Excellent combo potential
+ Down throw + up air can kill at extremely low percents and is very strong combination in general
+ Powerful and versatile projectiles
+ Good horizontal and vertical recovery options
+ Great match-ups
+ Insane hitboxes
+ Very fast
+ fair and bair are fast and very hard to punish
Cons:
- can take advantage of diddy`s recovery
- banana`s can be used against him
- whiffed side special has a lot of landing lag
Pros:
+powerful and fast smash attacks
+ can ko early
+ very heavy and hard to kill
Cons:
- can be combo`d easily
- big target
- few approach options and difficulty with zoners
+powerful and fast smash attacks
+ can ko early
+ very heavy and hard to kill
Cons:
- can be combo`d easily
- big target
- few approach options and difficulty with zoners
Pros:
+ Good overall damage output
+ Good kill power off of strong & relatively safe moves, or kill confirms.
+ Among the best reflector in game: can anti zone + uses as a neutral mixup.
+ Above average edgeguard game: Tornado beating airdodges, reverse upb & bair being strong punishes for low recoveries.
+ Strong combo game off of throws & starters like Dtilt,Utilt,Jab 1 or 2, landing upair, etc
+ His other special moves, like dr.tornado, can also aid in his recovery
+ Gets better with customs(subjective)
+ More range with pills than mario and can zone slightly better
+ Excellent Out of shield options: BackAir, UpB & UpSmash being the best.
+ Bair wall for days
+ Pills cover a unique path
+ Down-B covers rolls and has good priority
+ Low SH height allows you to fight Rush down characters better.
Cons:
- Poor recovery
- Slow movement in air and on the ground
- Pills have significant ending lag
- Lackluster mobility
- Poor range
- Struggles to approch
+ Good overall damage output
+ Good kill power off of strong & relatively safe moves, or kill confirms.
+ Among the best reflector in game: can anti zone + uses as a neutral mixup.
+ Above average edgeguard game: Tornado beating airdodges, reverse upb & bair being strong punishes for low recoveries.
+ Strong combo game off of throws & starters like Dtilt,Utilt,Jab 1 or 2, landing upair, etc
+ His other special moves, like dr.tornado, can also aid in his recovery
+ Gets better with customs(subjective)
+ More range with pills than mario and can zone slightly better
+ Excellent Out of shield options: BackAir, UpB & UpSmash being the best.
+ Bair wall for days
+ Pills cover a unique path
+ Down-B covers rolls and has good priority
+ Low SH height allows you to fight Rush down characters better.
Cons:
- Poor recovery
- Slow movement in air and on the ground
- Pills have significant ending lag
- Lackluster mobility
- Poor range
- Struggles to approch
Pros:
+ amazing stage control
+ very strong zoning
+ racks up damage fast
+ quick tilts and fair
+ can be very tricky with all of his traps and special moves.
Cons:
- very light
- has a hard time killing
- sometimes difficult to set up traps when being rushed down
+ amazing stage control
+ very strong zoning
+ racks up damage fast
+ quick tilts and fair
+ can be very tricky with all of his traps and special moves.
Cons:
- very light
- has a hard time killing
- sometimes difficult to set up traps when being rushed down
Pros:
+long range reflector that does damage
+ knockback on projectile
+ great spacing tools
+ potential still very untapped (subjective)
Cons:
- changed drastically from brawl version
- light weight
- somewhat poor recovery
- can be hard to get ko
+long range reflector that does damage
+ knockback on projectile
+ great spacing tools
+ potential still very untapped (subjective)
Cons:
- changed drastically from brawl version
- light weight
- somewhat poor recovery
- can be hard to get ko
Pros:
+lasers can rack up damage fast and force opponent to approach
+ extremely fast
+ quick smashes
+ good combos and rushdown
- light weight
- somewhat predictable recovery
- sometimes hard to get the kill
+lasers can rack up damage fast and force opponent to approach
+ extremely fast
+ quick smashes
+ good combos and rushdown
- light weight
- somewhat predictable recovery
- sometimes hard to get the kill
Pros:
+Incredible combo ability for a slow character (naturally from being a semi-clone of Captain Falcon)
+High combo potential at low percents
+Being a clone of CF in itself is a pro
+Heavy and Powerful
+Great tilts, that can ko
+ One of the best Down airs in the game ( if not the best)
+Great reach contributes to his combo ability
+Great Tech Chase move
+Ganoncide, the victim dies first
+Great punishes and hard reads
+High KO potential
+Great range, making him good at trading and controlling space
+Great command grab, and by extension, good mix-ups
+Good offstage game and edgeguarding ability
+Maybe this can be counted as an inherent trait, but Ganon's scary af. It's tremendously easy to let frustration
and panic get the best of you, which means Ganon has a distinct psychological advantage in some cases.
Cons:
- Slow, gimpable recovery
- A complete lack of a projectile
- Easily juggled
- Punished Easily
- Laggy aerials, esp. big landing lag
- Slow in general
- Huge hurtbox
-Arguably the easiest character to gimp
-Suffers badly against projectiles
-No OoS game
-Very few options against short characters (can't be Aerudo'd, SH NAir'd, etc.)
-Worst grab range, further limited OoS options
-Majority of moves require hard reads to connect if the opponent isn't habitually offering themselves to you, and by extension, he
-Easily rushed down
-Moves stale badly, since many of his common KO moves are also the ones he uses to rack up damage
+Incredible combo ability for a slow character (naturally from being a semi-clone of Captain Falcon)
+High combo potential at low percents
+Being a clone of CF in itself is a pro
+Heavy and Powerful
+Great tilts, that can ko
+ One of the best Down airs in the game ( if not the best)
+Great reach contributes to his combo ability
+Great Tech Chase move
+Ganoncide, the victim dies first
+Great punishes and hard reads
+High KO potential
+Great range, making him good at trading and controlling space
+Great command grab, and by extension, good mix-ups
+Good offstage game and edgeguarding ability
+Maybe this can be counted as an inherent trait, but Ganon's scary af. It's tremendously easy to let frustration
and panic get the best of you, which means Ganon has a distinct psychological advantage in some cases.
Cons:
- Slow, gimpable recovery
- A complete lack of a projectile
- Easily juggled
- Punished Easily
- Laggy aerials, esp. big landing lag
- Slow in general
- Huge hurtbox
-Arguably the easiest character to gimp
-Suffers badly against projectiles
-No OoS game
-Very few options against short characters (can't be Aerudo'd, SH NAir'd, etc.)
-Worst grab range, further limited OoS options
-Majority of moves require hard reads to connect if the opponent isn't habitually offering themselves to you, and by extension, he
-Easily rushed down
-Moves stale badly, since many of his common KO moves are also the ones he uses to rack up damage
Pros:
+ Recovery is among the best in the game both in how far it goes and how safe it is due to both Hydro Pump and Shadow Sneak
+ Mobility is among the best
+ Water Shuriken is a great projectile both for harassing the opponent when uncharged and either for combos or killing when charged.
+ Can reset to neutral very easily with good Hydro Pump usage.
+ Very fast dash grab with great range
+ Good range on his attacks
+ Great combo potential
+ Good kill setups
+ Very good edgeguarding game
+ Good power behind his moves
+ Shadow Sneak is a good mix-up move.
Cons:
- Poor options out of shield
- Mediocre options for approaching.
- Substitute can be unreliable
- Commits really hard to his attacks
- Terrible standing grab.
- Somewhat laggy moves in general
+ Recovery is among the best in the game both in how far it goes and how safe it is due to both Hydro Pump and Shadow Sneak
+ Mobility is among the best
+ Water Shuriken is a great projectile both for harassing the opponent when uncharged and either for combos or killing when charged.
+ Can reset to neutral very easily with good Hydro Pump usage.
+ Very fast dash grab with great range
+ Good range on his attacks
+ Great combo potential
+ Good kill setups
+ Very good edgeguarding game
+ Good power behind his moves
+ Shadow Sneak is a good mix-up move.
Cons:
- Poor options out of shield
- Mediocre options for approaching.
- Substitute can be unreliable
- Commits really hard to his attacks
- Terrible standing grab.
- Somewhat laggy moves in general
Pros:
+ Attacks generally inflict high damage and knockback, and have good range.
+ F-air and B-air, plus Quick Draw, are auto-cancellable from short-hop and full-hop heights, respectively.
+ Eruption, when timed properly, is a deadly edgeguarding tool.
+ Aether can stop characters that recklessly edgeguard, has super armor, and can occasionally spike near ledges.
+ Surprisingly good number of combos, considering his weight class.
+ Good ground and aerial mobility, considering his weight class.
+ Being a heavy prolongs his survivability, allowing him to take advantage of the rage mechanic.
Cons:
- Attacks are generally slow with considerable start-up and ending lag.
- Recovery is linear and predictable.
- Without custom specials enabled, edgeguarding ability is limited.
- Being a heavy makes him susceptible to combos.
+ Attacks generally inflict high damage and knockback, and have good range.
+ F-air and B-air, plus Quick Draw, are auto-cancellable from short-hop and full-hop heights, respectively.
+ Eruption, when timed properly, is a deadly edgeguarding tool.
+ Aether can stop characters that recklessly edgeguard, has super armor, and can occasionally spike near ledges.
+ Surprisingly good number of combos, considering his weight class.
+ Good ground and aerial mobility, considering his weight class.
+ Being a heavy prolongs his survivability, allowing him to take advantage of the rage mechanic.
Cons:
- Attacks are generally slow with considerable start-up and ending lag.
- Recovery is linear and predictable.
- Without custom specials enabled, edgeguarding ability is limited.
- Being a heavy makes him susceptible to combos.
Pros:
-Rest
-Throws do ~12%
-Best aerial game of the cast
-Recovery covers a lot of distance
-F Air combos into itself
-Great edgeguarding game
-Has a shield breaking move
Cons:
-Slow ground speed
-No Up B recovery
-Rising Pound no longer a thing
-Easy to edgeguard
-Useless Up B, bad Neutral B
-Generally slow ground moves
-Rest
-Throws do ~12%
-Best aerial game of the cast
-Recovery covers a lot of distance
-F Air combos into itself
-Great edgeguarding game
-Has a shield breaking move
Cons:
-Slow ground speed
-No Up B recovery
-Rising Pound no longer a thing
-Easy to edgeguard
-Useless Up B, bad Neutral B
-Generally slow ground moves
Pros:
+huge damage and knockback
+ one of the best recoveries in the game
+ gordo is strong projectile
+ amazing spot dodge
+ down smash is quick and deadly
+hammer gives great range on his attacks
Cons:
- can be combo`d easily
- can be rushed down by faster characters
- custom moves dont do much to improve him
- difficult to approach
- gordo`s can be hit back at him if not positioned correctly
+huge damage and knockback
+ one of the best recoveries in the game
+ gordo is strong projectile
+ amazing spot dodge
+ down smash is quick and deadly
+hammer gives great range on his attacks
Cons:
- can be combo`d easily
- can be rushed down by faster characters
- custom moves dont do much to improve him
- difficult to approach
- gordo`s can be hit back at him if not positioned correctly
Pros:
+ can crouch very low and duck under attacks
+ nice combo strings and follow ups
+ multiple jumps so difficult to gimp
+ copy abilities last longer than brawl
+ nice grab game and good pummel
+ Great, long distance recovery
+ Very low crouch
Cons:
- 3rd lightest
- low range
- bad mobility (ground and air)
- very situational / unusable specials
- below average KO power
+ can crouch very low and duck under attacks
+ nice combo strings and follow ups
+ multiple jumps so difficult to gimp
+ copy abilities last longer than brawl
+ nice grab game and good pummel
+ Great, long distance recovery
+ Very low crouch
Cons:
- 3rd lightest
- low range
- bad mobility (ground and air)
- very situational / unusable specials
- below average KO power
Pros:
+ great zoning abilites
+ Many projectiles which can disrupt approaches and can deal a lot of pressure
+ quick and strong smashes with disjointed hitboxes
+ good zair
+ can rack up damage fast
+Jab 1
+ Strong ko moves
+Lots of range
+Can live to high amounts because of being heavy and also benefits from rage
+Can punish air dodges really well
Cons:
- lacks reliable kill move
- many bad match ups
- although recovery has been buffed from brawl, still not that great
- Grabs are very situational
-Can get combed easily
-Easily juggled
-Slow
+ great zoning abilites
+ Many projectiles which can disrupt approaches and can deal a lot of pressure
+ quick and strong smashes with disjointed hitboxes
+ good zair
+ can rack up damage fast
+Jab 1
+ Strong ko moves
+Lots of range
+Can live to high amounts because of being heavy and also benefits from rage
+Can punish air dodges really well
Cons:
- lacks reliable kill move
- many bad match ups
- although recovery has been buffed from brawl, still not that great
- Grabs are very situational
-Can get combed easily
-Easily juggled
-Slow
Pros:
+ Amazing tilts, jab, and smashes that shut down a lot of options
+ Can dish out massive damage very quickly
+ Has a frame one kill setup around 100% on most of the cast
Cons:
- bad aerials
- Poor recovery
- Many very, very difficult matchups
+ Amazing tilts, jab, and smashes that shut down a lot of options
+ Can dish out massive damage very quickly
+ Has a frame one kill setup around 100% on most of the cast
Cons:
- bad aerials
- Poor recovery
- Many very, very difficult matchups
Pros:
+The Aura combined with rage gives incredible knockback at higher percents
+Every stock is useful, a fresh stock means more combos are available, or the aura stock, even if you're falling behind, reading your foe can lead to a severe punish.
+All his specials are useful and can be used in creative ways in the match.
+ Very good aerial attacks
+A way wide of options for your recoveries, even the walls are your allies! Wall jumps and wall clings are at your disposal.
+Extreme Speed directly to a wall makes you wall cling and has a hitbox at the end of it! great if you want to read your foe's ledgeguard.
+A good crouch (and crouch walking too!).
+Aura Sphere is quick to charge, can hit if charging on your foe's face, and deals nice damage and knock-back at a high aura buff.
+Fast grabs and good throws.
+The awesome up tilt! your foe is directly on your back? UP TILT!
+Down air can help you to be airborne (not as good as brawl or PM, but its OK), and can work as air breaks (good as approaching), BUT WON'T BREAK YOU IF YOU'RE BEING LAUNCHED! first recover from tumble or reeling, then it will work as normal (careful not to fast fall involuntarily).
+Decent rolling and side steps.
+Great weight (or gravity), meaning you can escape combos with some ease, and you wont be KO'd that fast
Cons:
-You'll need a lot of patience, being to hasty to attack will lead you to severe punishments.
-Lucario is more inclined to a defensive game rather than an offensive one.
-Getting hit with a smash on an aura stock almost means a KO, and your launching power will be drastically lowered. But some options and mix-ups are again at your disposal.
- Aura can make it very difficult to land combos
-Slow smash attacks, and some have a long end-lag. Since it slow, punishing a roll or spot-dodge can be easier (even without meaning to).
-Approaching might be a pain (or haven't found a good one yet). EDIT: Foxtrot is a nice option to make approaching.
Running speed is average or below.
He doesn't have an stable "On hit-KO" combo (Like Cap. Falcon or ZSS).
Whiffing a Force Palm (even blocked) can be punished. (That's why it grows!). Spot-dodging it completely at grab range is hard, but possible.
If during your Extreme Speed you hit something above your head while recovering in any motion upwards (Like that square or irregularity on the right side of Omega Wind Hill, UUUGH HATE THAT), you'll crash and fall down!
Also, since patch 1.0.4, landing after helpless state (after extreme speed) will punish you with severe landing lag (almost 1 second) and have a huge opening. You can avoid this by landing horizontally. While inputting diagonally downwards by touching the ground or being parallel to it during the extreme speed (don't go straight down, or you'll crash on floor, has less landing lag though, poor Lucario), this will result on an slide after ending it, preserving the hitboxes and drastically reduce your landing-lag. Just be careful not to slide off a platform, OK? Else you'll fall to your doom.
Double Team anything on air can lead you to strange reactions, be careful of what your countering, else you'll fall failing to counter.
Up-Throws can be DI (Or vectored) with some ease, breaking your setups.
Neutral Air has a weird hitbox, but you'll get used to it after some use.
+The Aura combined with rage gives incredible knockback at higher percents
+Every stock is useful, a fresh stock means more combos are available, or the aura stock, even if you're falling behind, reading your foe can lead to a severe punish.
+All his specials are useful and can be used in creative ways in the match.
+ Very good aerial attacks
+A way wide of options for your recoveries, even the walls are your allies! Wall jumps and wall clings are at your disposal.
+Extreme Speed directly to a wall makes you wall cling and has a hitbox at the end of it! great if you want to read your foe's ledgeguard.
+A good crouch (and crouch walking too!).
+Aura Sphere is quick to charge, can hit if charging on your foe's face, and deals nice damage and knock-back at a high aura buff.
+Fast grabs and good throws.
+The awesome up tilt! your foe is directly on your back? UP TILT!
+Down air can help you to be airborne (not as good as brawl or PM, but its OK), and can work as air breaks (good as approaching), BUT WON'T BREAK YOU IF YOU'RE BEING LAUNCHED! first recover from tumble or reeling, then it will work as normal (careful not to fast fall involuntarily).
+Decent rolling and side steps.
+Great weight (or gravity), meaning you can escape combos with some ease, and you wont be KO'd that fast
Cons:
-You'll need a lot of patience, being to hasty to attack will lead you to severe punishments.
-Lucario is more inclined to a defensive game rather than an offensive one.
-Getting hit with a smash on an aura stock almost means a KO, and your launching power will be drastically lowered. But some options and mix-ups are again at your disposal.
- Aura can make it very difficult to land combos
-Slow smash attacks, and some have a long end-lag. Since it slow, punishing a roll or spot-dodge can be easier (even without meaning to).
-Approaching might be a pain (or haven't found a good one yet). EDIT: Foxtrot is a nice option to make approaching.
Running speed is average or below.
He doesn't have an stable "On hit-KO" combo (Like Cap. Falcon or ZSS).
Whiffing a Force Palm (even blocked) can be punished. (That's why it grows!). Spot-dodging it completely at grab range is hard, but possible.
If during your Extreme Speed you hit something above your head while recovering in any motion upwards (Like that square or irregularity on the right side of Omega Wind Hill, UUUGH HATE THAT), you'll crash and fall down!
Also, since patch 1.0.4, landing after helpless state (after extreme speed) will punish you with severe landing lag (almost 1 second) and have a huge opening. You can avoid this by landing horizontally. While inputting diagonally downwards by touching the ground or being parallel to it during the extreme speed (don't go straight down, or you'll crash on floor, has less landing lag though, poor Lucario), this will result on an slide after ending it, preserving the hitboxes and drastically reduce your landing-lag. Just be careful not to slide off a platform, OK? Else you'll fall to your doom.
Double Team anything on air can lead you to strange reactions, be careful of what your countering, else you'll fall failing to counter.
Up-Throws can be DI (Or vectored) with some ease, breaking your setups.
Neutral Air has a weird hitbox, but you'll get used to it after some use.
Pros:
+ great air speed
+ strong and quick shield breaker
+ tied with marth for fastest walker in game
Cons:
- lacks in range compared to marth
- no tipper, harder to get kos
- lighter than marth
+ great air speed
+ strong and quick shield breaker
+ tied with marth for fastest walker in game
Cons:
- lacks in range compared to marth
- no tipper, harder to get kos
- lighter than marth
Pros:
+ amazing combos
+ great frame data
+ very strong punishes
+ powerful ko moves
+ taunt does a lot of damage
Cons:
- lacks in range
- second slowest aerial mobility (1st is D3)
- predictable recovery
+ amazing combos
+ great frame data
+ very strong punishes
+ powerful ko moves
+ taunt does a lot of damage
Cons:
- lacks in range
- second slowest aerial mobility (1st is D3)
- predictable recovery
+decent recovery(much better than docs)
+ great combo potential
+ Great punishes
- low damage output
- limited range
- need good reads to land smash attacks
+ great combo potential
+ Great punishes
- low damage output
- limited range
- need good reads to land smash attacks
Pros:
+Solid aerial game
+Relatively fast moves
+Tipper F Smashes kill at around 50%
+Tippers in general
+Has a kill throw
+Fast Up B
+Fastest walker, tied with Lucina
+Has a shield breaking move
+ Directly benefits and rewards good spacing
+ Great Frame traps
Cons:
-Increased aerial landing lag
-Throws only do 3 or 4%
-Combo game diminished
-Bad horizontal recovery
-Predictable recovery
+Solid aerial game
+Relatively fast moves
+Tipper F Smashes kill at around 50%
+Tippers in general
+Has a kill throw
+Fast Up B
+Fastest walker, tied with Lucina
+Has a shield breaking move
+ Directly benefits and rewards good spacing
+ Great Frame traps
Cons:
-Increased aerial landing lag
-Throws only do 3 or 4%
-Combo game diminished
-Bad horizontal recovery
-Predictable recovery
Pros:
+ Heavier than average (102 weight)
+ Great Recovery Options that can be acted out of, nor use up his 2nd jump
+ Can Wall Jump
+ Very good at edge guarding/gimping/foot-stooling
+ Excels at Mid-Range Spacing/Pressuring/Gameplay
+ Custom Specials are more diverse compared to most characters and can help cover certain match-ups better than others.
+ D-Specials allow for an active hitbox while defending
Cons:
- Nearly every kill move is either situational or are easily punished
- More or less no comboing ability, forces the need for good reads
- Reflectors can give him a harder time than most of the cast
- Technically a Fast Faller, leaves him vulnerable to certain combos (like Up-Tilts from Mario/Sheik)
+ Heavier than average (102 weight)
+ Great Recovery Options that can be acted out of, nor use up his 2nd jump
+ Can Wall Jump
+ Very good at edge guarding/gimping/foot-stooling
+ Excels at Mid-Range Spacing/Pressuring/Gameplay
+ Custom Specials are more diverse compared to most characters and can help cover certain match-ups better than others.
+ D-Specials allow for an active hitbox while defending
Cons:
- Nearly every kill move is either situational or are easily punished
- More or less no comboing ability, forces the need for good reads
- Reflectors can give him a harder time than most of the cast
- Technically a Fast Faller, leaves him vulnerable to certain combos (like Up-Tilts from Mario/Sheik)
Pros:
+Great match ups across the board only having 2 or 3 MU to look out for
+Reliable kill setups on the whole cast
+Disjointed hitboxes
+Safe dash attack and F-Smash
+Good dash grab with the falcon slide effect
+9th fastest dash in the game as well as being 19-21 in air speed
+OOS options one being a kill move another starting combo's
+Can start combo's out of Uair,Dair,Utilt,Dtilt,DA,Back throw/Down throw/Forward throw
+9 kill moves and strong advantage state
+6 jumps allowing him to stall recoveries,landings,multiple edgeguard options by hovering in the air and bypass projectiles. Also allows him to zone some characters with dair.
+Dimensional Cape giving him a free ticket out of disadvantage state,edgeguards and traps
+Specials and F-Smash that deals alot of damage, Mach Tornado dealing 23% and 25% on BJ
+Side B invalidates edgeguard attempts from most of the cast and stage spikes are pretty much guaranteed
+Insane shield poking moves
+ Small Hurtbox
Cons
-Damage per hit on his normals are as low as Sheiks
-Lightweight
-Poor Range
-Aerials have significant end lag so he cannot use them in neutral
+Great match ups across the board only having 2 or 3 MU to look out for
+Reliable kill setups on the whole cast
+Disjointed hitboxes
+Safe dash attack and F-Smash
+Good dash grab with the falcon slide effect
+9th fastest dash in the game as well as being 19-21 in air speed
+OOS options one being a kill move another starting combo's
+Can start combo's out of Uair,Dair,Utilt,Dtilt,DA,Back throw/Down throw/Forward throw
+9 kill moves and strong advantage state
+6 jumps allowing him to stall recoveries,landings,multiple edgeguard options by hovering in the air and bypass projectiles. Also allows him to zone some characters with dair.
+Dimensional Cape giving him a free ticket out of disadvantage state,edgeguards and traps
+Specials and F-Smash that deals alot of damage, Mach Tornado dealing 23% and 25% on BJ
+Side B invalidates edgeguard attempts from most of the cast and stage spikes are pretty much guaranteed
+Insane shield poking moves
+ Small Hurtbox
Cons
-Damage per hit on his normals are as low as Sheiks
-Lightweight
-Poor Range
-Aerials have significant end lag so he cannot use them in neutral
Pros
Great combo ability
2 very powerful kill throws(forward and back throw)
good range on a lot of moves with his tail
shadow ball is very powerful when landed
side special and fully charged shadow ball in the air help can help his spacing and recovery
air dodge makes him invisible so hard to read where he is landing
Cons
Lightweight
Big Target
Floaty in the air
Great combo ability
2 very powerful kill throws(forward and back throw)
good range on a lot of moves with his tail
shadow ball is very powerful when landed
side special and fully charged shadow ball in the air help can help his spacing and recovery
air dodge makes him invisible so hard to read where he is landing
Cons
Lightweight
Big Target
Floaty in the air
(with customs)
Pros
+ Fast Air Speed
+ Fast Running Speed
+ Fast Attacks
+ High Jump
+ Pseudo 3rd Jump
+ Edge Cancel-able dive kick
+ Up B deals 17%, has great air mobility, starts on frame 8 making for good OoS option
+ Horizontal Mix-up Recovery is limitless
+ Can combo from d-throw (sometimes comboing into a kill)
+ Has a Meteor Smash
+ Ultimate Uppercut has Super Armor Fully Charged
+ Up Smash has brief invincibility
+ Aggressive character
+ Fsmash is incredibly Strong
+ Takes like all the good moves from each fighter (utilt, n-air, up B)
+ Can wall Jump multiple times with Feint Jump
+ Get to play as whoever you want
+ Can combo Ledged cancel FJ into HK
Cons
- Has no range
- Has the worst vertical recovery in the game
- F-smash only hits on frame 17
- Feint Jump has no invincibility
- Struggles to kill opponents higher than 80%
- Lacks a decent projectile
- Onslaught heavily punishable on shield
- Strongest Air attack can't kill until 140% (B-air)
- Throws lose comboing ability at 80% and can't kill until 200%
- Doesn't get to play on For Glory
- Default Moveset is terrible
- Usually limited to boring Guest Miis
- One of the worst Rapid Jab combos
- All smash attacks are unreliable kill moves for either being too weak or slow
- None of his tilts kill
- U-air hardly has any hitstun
Mixed
+- Ledge getup invincibility longer than other characters, requires different timing. Works out well first until the opponent learns this and has more time to punish
+- feels like playing a melee character
Pros
+ Fast Air Speed
+ Fast Running Speed
+ Fast Attacks
+ High Jump
+ Pseudo 3rd Jump
+ Edge Cancel-able dive kick
+ Up B deals 17%, has great air mobility, starts on frame 8 making for good OoS option
+ Horizontal Mix-up Recovery is limitless
+ Can combo from d-throw (sometimes comboing into a kill)
+ Has a Meteor Smash
+ Ultimate Uppercut has Super Armor Fully Charged
+ Up Smash has brief invincibility
+ Aggressive character
+ Fsmash is incredibly Strong
+ Takes like all the good moves from each fighter (utilt, n-air, up B)
+ Can wall Jump multiple times with Feint Jump
+ Get to play as whoever you want
+ Can combo Ledged cancel FJ into HK
Cons
- Has no range
- Has the worst vertical recovery in the game
- F-smash only hits on frame 17
- Feint Jump has no invincibility
- Struggles to kill opponents higher than 80%
- Lacks a decent projectile
- Onslaught heavily punishable on shield
- Strongest Air attack can't kill until 140% (B-air)
- Throws lose comboing ability at 80% and can't kill until 200%
- Doesn't get to play on For Glory
- Default Moveset is terrible
- Usually limited to boring Guest Miis
- One of the worst Rapid Jab combos
- All smash attacks are unreliable kill moves for either being too weak or slow
- None of his tilts kill
- U-air hardly has any hitstun
Mixed
+- Ledge getup invincibility longer than other characters, requires different timing. Works out well first until the opponent learns this and has more time to punish
+- feels like playing a melee character
(With "optimal size" and XXXX moveset)
Pros:
+ Good overall mobility
+ Strong projectile game (Chakram)
+ Versatile aerial game
+ Good low % combo game
+ Good recovery along with good anti-edgeguarding tools (Gale Strike and Chakram mainly)
+ Above average near ledge endgeguarding game
+ Ledge trump into Bair/Uair kill
+ OoS kill move (if Hero's Spin is chosen)
+ Quick U-Smash and D-Smash
+ Stronk F-Smash
+ Multihit Chakram into *insert kill move here*
+ Small hurtbox
Cons:
- Mediocre CQC game
- Below average killing power
- Frame 7 jumpsquat
- Small range for a sword wielder
- Lack of kill throws
- Lack of meteor smash
Pros:
+ Good overall mobility
+ Strong projectile game (Chakram)
+ Versatile aerial game
+ Good low % combo game
+ Good recovery along with good anti-edgeguarding tools (Gale Strike and Chakram mainly)
+ Above average near ledge endgeguarding game
+ Ledge trump into Bair/Uair kill
+ OoS kill move (if Hero's Spin is chosen)
+ Quick U-Smash and D-Smash
+ Stronk F-Smash
+ Multihit Chakram into *insert kill move here*
+ Small hurtbox
Cons:
- Mediocre CQC game
- Below average killing power
- Frame 7 jumpsquat
- Small range for a sword wielder
- Lack of kill throws
- Lack of meteor smash
1111 guest size gunner
Pros
+Top tier neutral due to the great range and safety of fair (It is a projectile that only has 12 frames of landing lag and covers about a quarter of final destination) and a variety of good tools in the neutral (charge blast, nair, bair, pivot flame pillar, pivot ftilt). Gunner is also decently mobile due to a foxtrot with a speed of 1.6 and a gundash that has the speed of a falcon kick to accompany good airspeed and air acceleration.
+Decent disadvantage state due to a good variety of landing mixups (gundashing, flame pillar, stalling with reflector, and lunar launch), a situational combo breaker in a frame 3 reflector, a good survivability due to an above average weight, and a small frame when standing and grounded (gunner is relatively difficult to jab lock).
+Good juggling with the high priority and disjoints of up tilt, up smash, and up air. Charge blast and fsmash are also good for covering landings. Gundashing with fair also allows gunner to have great mobility to cover landings.
+Good edgeguarding game with flame pillar, charge blast, up smash, and fsmash. Flame pillar covers the entire ledge for at least 35 frames, and it covers every ledge option except for rolling. Charge blast can cover most ledge options (it can cover all of the ledge options of some characters). Up smash is good for covering rolls and jumps. Fsmash is a good killing option that can cover every ledge option when timed properly.
+Decently fast killing options. Up tilt is frame 5 and kills around 135. Dtilt is frame 8 and kills around 130. Down smash is frame 9 with good killing power for a smash attack. Up smash is frame 11 with good killing power for a smash attack.
+Good follow ups out of throws and a couple of low percent true combos that can lead into damaging strings. Dthrow to nair and up throw to up tilt are true combos at low percents. Gunner can also kill opponents with up throw or Down throw to up air after a DI read. There are more follow ups on throws in the Mii Gunner true combo and follow up thread.
+Good recovery distance with Lunar Launch and gundashing to the stage.
+Good follow ups with some true combos (This is covered in the mii gunner true combo and follow up thread).
+Good killing mixups from jab. Gunner can cancel jab into any smash, any tilt, charge blast or dash attack.
Cons
-Low damage output.
-No reliable kill confirms
-Punishable recovery since Lunar Launch does not have hitboxes that cover gunner.
-Lacks a reliable combo breaker.
Pros
+Top tier neutral due to the great range and safety of fair (It is a projectile that only has 12 frames of landing lag and covers about a quarter of final destination) and a variety of good tools in the neutral (charge blast, nair, bair, pivot flame pillar, pivot ftilt). Gunner is also decently mobile due to a foxtrot with a speed of 1.6 and a gundash that has the speed of a falcon kick to accompany good airspeed and air acceleration.
+Decent disadvantage state due to a good variety of landing mixups (gundashing, flame pillar, stalling with reflector, and lunar launch), a situational combo breaker in a frame 3 reflector, a good survivability due to an above average weight, and a small frame when standing and grounded (gunner is relatively difficult to jab lock).
+Good juggling with the high priority and disjoints of up tilt, up smash, and up air. Charge blast and fsmash are also good for covering landings. Gundashing with fair also allows gunner to have great mobility to cover landings.
+Good edgeguarding game with flame pillar, charge blast, up smash, and fsmash. Flame pillar covers the entire ledge for at least 35 frames, and it covers every ledge option except for rolling. Charge blast can cover most ledge options (it can cover all of the ledge options of some characters). Up smash is good for covering rolls and jumps. Fsmash is a good killing option that can cover every ledge option when timed properly.
+Decently fast killing options. Up tilt is frame 5 and kills around 135. Dtilt is frame 8 and kills around 130. Down smash is frame 9 with good killing power for a smash attack. Up smash is frame 11 with good killing power for a smash attack.
+Good follow ups out of throws and a couple of low percent true combos that can lead into damaging strings. Dthrow to nair and up throw to up tilt are true combos at low percents. Gunner can also kill opponents with up throw or Down throw to up air after a DI read. There are more follow ups on throws in the Mii Gunner true combo and follow up thread.
+Good recovery distance with Lunar Launch and gundashing to the stage.
+Good follow ups with some true combos (This is covered in the mii gunner true combo and follow up thread).
+Good killing mixups from jab. Gunner can cancel jab into any smash, any tilt, charge blast or dash attack.
Cons
-Low damage output.
-No reliable kill confirms
-Punishable recovery since Lunar Launch does not have hitboxes that cover gunner.
-Lacks a reliable combo breaker.
Pros
+ great air game
+ excellent smashes
+ lucky side special or full bucket can kill very early
+ great edge guarding
Cons
- light weight
- unreliable projectile
- somewhat poor ground game
+ great air game
+ excellent smashes
+ lucky side special or full bucket can kill very early
+ great edge guarding
Cons
- light weight
- unreliable projectile
- somewhat poor ground game
Pros:
+ Insane combo strings, build-a-combo style
+ Racks up damage quickly overall
+ Crazy edge-guard potential
+ Small hurtbox (He's pretty short)
+ Long lasting hitboxes for safety
+ Good ranged options, great up close options
+ Fantastic SH aerials that are usually easy to space well with and hard to punish (this one is debatable)
+ DownB in lots of Matchups
+ Most reliable kill move in the game (Bthrow) as well as a long list of other kill moves (Uair, Bair, Nair, Fsmash, PKT2, etc...)
+ Up special is hard to avoid, good for juggling opponents
+ Best throw game overall.
+ Good at edge guarding
Cons:
- Fairly Slow Running Speed
- Not very hard to Gimp Ness
- Vulnerable when recovering
- Slow rolls and a short spot dodge
- Easily overwhelmed by really fast characters or characters who have strong defensive options
- Struggles when being juggled, and has few landing options
- Can struggle offstage against certain characters
- Average mobility leaves him more punishable than most
- Laggy specials that are easily punished if whiffed
- Not the best smashes and tilts
- Has a few extremely situational moves like dair and dtilt
+ Insane combo strings, build-a-combo style
+ Racks up damage quickly overall
+ Crazy edge-guard potential
+ Small hurtbox (He's pretty short)
+ Long lasting hitboxes for safety
+ Good ranged options, great up close options
+ Fantastic SH aerials that are usually easy to space well with and hard to punish (this one is debatable)
+ DownB in lots of Matchups
+ Most reliable kill move in the game (Bthrow) as well as a long list of other kill moves (Uair, Bair, Nair, Fsmash, PKT2, etc...)
+ Up special is hard to avoid, good for juggling opponents
+ Best throw game overall.
+ Good at edge guarding
Cons:
- Fairly Slow Running Speed
- Not very hard to Gimp Ness
- Vulnerable when recovering
- Slow rolls and a short spot dodge
- Easily overwhelmed by really fast characters or characters who have strong defensive options
- Struggles when being juggled, and has few landing options
- Can struggle offstage against certain characters
- Average mobility leaves him more punishable than most
- Laggy specials that are easily punished if whiffed
- Not the best smashes and tilts
- Has a few extremely situational moves like dair and dtilt
Pros:
+ Small size makes dodging easier.
+ Can wrack up damage fast without having to approach.
+ Has reliable kill options.
+ Strong recovery that is hard to gimp.
+ Can wall opponents out with projectiles.
Cons:
- Since he is light he dies earlier.
- Pikmin can desync randomly from the line.
- Fast characters give him a lot of trouble.
+ Small size makes dodging easier.
+ Can wrack up damage fast without having to approach.
+ Has reliable kill options.
+ Strong recovery that is hard to gimp.
+ Can wall opponents out with projectiles.
Cons:
- Since he is light he dies earlier.
- Pikmin can desync randomly from the line.
- Fast characters give him a lot of trouble.
Pros:
+ not many bad match ups
+ very agile
+ neutral b is very versatile
+ the ghosts on his smash attacks can cancel out some projectiles
Cons:
- throw is considered to bad very bad due to the massive ending lag
- hydrant and neutral special can work against pacman if they are not positioned properly
- trampoline can be taken advantage of by opponent, they can use it as well, or attempt to gimp
+ not many bad match ups
+ very agile
+ neutral b is very versatile
+ the ghosts on his smash attacks can cancel out some projectiles
Cons:
- throw is considered to bad very bad due to the massive ending lag
- hydrant and neutral special can work against pacman if they are not positioned properly
- trampoline can be taken advantage of by opponent, they can use it as well, or attempt to gimp
Pros:
Very fast ground movement
Overall great aerial moves (Fair and Bair being the best)
Good spacing tools (Jab, Dtilt, Fair)
Jab can lead into grabs and combos
High priority on some moves (Bair, Dash Attack)
Down throw can almost always lead to combos
Has access to a reflector that can also be used for offstage pressure (rarely)
Warp special is a great recovery move
Some default specials may only be useful in certain match ups
comes with all her customs unlocked
very unique and verstaile custom special moves that are much different than the original specials
Cons:
Light and easy to launch and KO
Tall and easier to hit than other characters
Most tilts and Smashes have lots of lag
Majority of kill moves have lots of lag
Has trouble dealing with faster characters
is limited in gameplay with customs off
Very fast ground movement
Overall great aerial moves (Fair and Bair being the best)
Good spacing tools (Jab, Dtilt, Fair)
Jab can lead into grabs and combos
High priority on some moves (Bair, Dash Attack)
Down throw can almost always lead to combos
Has access to a reflector that can also be used for offstage pressure (rarely)
Warp special is a great recovery move
Some default specials may only be useful in certain match ups
comes with all her customs unlocked
very unique and verstaile custom special moves that are much different than the original specials
Cons:
Light and easy to launch and KO
Tall and easier to hit than other characters
Most tilts and Smashes have lots of lag
Majority of kill moves have lots of lag
Has trouble dealing with faster characters
is limited in gameplay with customs off
Pros:
-Can float and has a technique applied to this called QFR, both of which are incredibly useful for spacing
-Parasol open hitbox (while floating) can actually kill from above
-Fair is incredibly strong
-Dair is good for damage, approaching, and shield damage
-Has a chance to pull a Stitchface for around 30% damage, Mr. Saturn which can easily break shields, or a Bob-Omb
-Uair is disjointed, has semispike-esque properties, can go through the stage if opponent if above ledge
-Dtilt has decent range and is decent for setups
-FSmash can have customized range
-Pulling turnips can alter the neutral game in many matchups
-Has a counter
-DSmash punishes rolls heavily and even some moves with heavier endlag
Cons:
-Incredibly floaty
-Slow in general
-Telegraphed recovery
-Hard to kill with
-Pulling a turnip is incredibly slow, Jesus
-Can be severely outcamped, a problem in general and for floating
-Fast characters are a huge problem for her, a problem in general and for floating
-Counter is slow, severe endlag
-USmash is strong but hard to hit with
-Can float and has a technique applied to this called QFR, both of which are incredibly useful for spacing
-Parasol open hitbox (while floating) can actually kill from above
-Fair is incredibly strong
-Dair is good for damage, approaching, and shield damage
-Has a chance to pull a Stitchface for around 30% damage, Mr. Saturn which can easily break shields, or a Bob-Omb
-Uair is disjointed, has semispike-esque properties, can go through the stage if opponent if above ledge
-Dtilt has decent range and is decent for setups
-FSmash can have customized range
-Pulling turnips can alter the neutral game in many matchups
-Has a counter
-DSmash punishes rolls heavily and even some moves with heavier endlag
Cons:
-Incredibly floaty
-Slow in general
-Telegraphed recovery
-Hard to kill with
-Pulling a turnip is incredibly slow, Jesus
-Can be severely outcamped, a problem in general and for floating
-Fast characters are a huge problem for her, a problem in general and for floating
-Counter is slow, severe endlag
-USmash is strong but hard to hit with
Pros:
+ Has a lot of powerful moves and smashes.
+ Also good at dealing a lot of damage to your opponent.
+ Very fast and small
+ The electric has the ability to stun for a small time, so this could help you to get close to your opponent.
+ Grabs are really good, all of them are easy to combo from and get easy kills.
+ The Thunder cloud in the move thunder now has a meteor effect and that can help get some kills as well.
+ Keep him in the air, he has a lot of combos in his aerials
+ Aerials are long lasting
+ Up+ Special (quick attack) can be used to give out damage and go to a safe place quickly so you are unable to get punished.
+ Down tilt can trip opponents.
+ Can duck under projectiles and can crawl *bonus*.
Cons:
- Light weight
- Doesn't have a jab combo and his jab is easy to get out of.
- Skull bash can be predictable and can be easily intercepted by anything even though it's powerful
- short reach on most attacks
- vulnerable on most specials
+ Has a lot of powerful moves and smashes.
+ Also good at dealing a lot of damage to your opponent.
+ Very fast and small
+ The electric has the ability to stun for a small time, so this could help you to get close to your opponent.
+ Grabs are really good, all of them are easy to combo from and get easy kills.
+ The Thunder cloud in the move thunder now has a meteor effect and that can help get some kills as well.
+ Keep him in the air, he has a lot of combos in his aerials
+ Aerials are long lasting
+ Up+ Special (quick attack) can be used to give out damage and go to a safe place quickly so you are unable to get punished.
+ Down tilt can trip opponents.
+ Can duck under projectiles and can crawl *bonus*.
Cons:
- Light weight
- Doesn't have a jab combo and his jab is easy to get out of.
- Skull bash can be predictable and can be easily intercepted by anything even though it's powerful
- short reach on most attacks
- vulnerable on most specials
Pros:
+ great recovery
+ lots of control with curving his arrows
+ greater arrow range
+ upperdash arm kills at earlier percents than dark pits
+ His D-Throw combos into his Up-Smash and all of his aerials.
+ Excellent disjoint Dash Attack can lead into strings.
+ Good spacing options with F-Tilt, D-Tilt, 123 Jab and Fair.
+ Dair can Spike.
+ Excellent Dash and Pivot Grab.
+ Is proficient in sharking under platforms with Up-Smash.
+ One of the best Gimpers in the game i.e. Light Arrows.
+ Uair also allows for creative combos and follow-ups.
+ Has a killing throw: F-Throw.
+ Can reflect projectiles with Orbitars.
+ Can Trump the ledge which leads into a Bair kill.
+ No terrible match-ups; most are either 50:50 or in Pit's favour. Only slight disadvantages remain in those that are not.
Cons:
- Up-B does not have a hit box.
- Up-B does not grab the ledge if his back is facing it, or if he is too close to the ledge when recovering.
- Pit is not protected during Up-B.
- Orbitars have a slow start-up and endlag.
- Has little options at the ledge.
+ great recovery
+ lots of control with curving his arrows
+ greater arrow range
+ upperdash arm kills at earlier percents than dark pits
+ His D-Throw combos into his Up-Smash and all of his aerials.
+ Excellent disjoint Dash Attack can lead into strings.
+ Good spacing options with F-Tilt, D-Tilt, 123 Jab and Fair.
+ Dair can Spike.
+ Excellent Dash and Pivot Grab.
+ Is proficient in sharking under platforms with Up-Smash.
+ One of the best Gimpers in the game i.e. Light Arrows.
+ Uair also allows for creative combos and follow-ups.
+ Has a killing throw: F-Throw.
+ Can reflect projectiles with Orbitars.
+ Can Trump the ledge which leads into a Bair kill.
+ No terrible match-ups; most are either 50:50 or in Pit's favour. Only slight disadvantages remain in those that are not.
Cons:
- Up-B does not have a hit box.
- Up-B does not grab the ledge if his back is facing it, or if he is too close to the ledge when recovering.
- Pit is not protected during Up-B.
- Orbitars have a slow start-up and endlag.
- Has little options at the ledge.
Pros:
+ Has a move that can reflect projectiles
+ Up and Side smashes KO early
+ Very reliable recovery, can go from one end of FD to the other
+ Tilts are faster and do more damage
+ Zoning game is incredible
+ Nair provides good coverage
+ Solid kill-throw @ ~110%'ish (Up-throw)
+ Easy to set up walls with
+ Can be played defensively & offensively
Cons:
- Prone to combos; heavy character
- Prone to Juggling
- Slow up b could leave him prone to spiking
- Predictable recovery
- Weak against rush-down MUs (Sheik, Sonic, Pikachu, etc..)
+ Has a move that can reflect projectiles
+ Up and Side smashes KO early
+ Very reliable recovery, can go from one end of FD to the other
+ Tilts are faster and do more damage
+ Zoning game is incredible
+ Nair provides good coverage
+ Solid kill-throw @ ~110%'ish (Up-throw)
+ Easy to set up walls with
+ Can be played defensively & offensively
Cons:
- Prone to combos; heavy character
- Prone to Juggling
- Slow up b could leave him prone to spiking
- Predictable recovery
- Weak against rush-down MUs (Sheik, Sonic, Pikachu, etc..)
Pros:
+ very strong zoning game
+ books can be picked up and thrown as items
+ levin`s sword has great range and priority as well as disjointed hitbox
+ most significant health restoration move in the game
Cons:
- Slowest run speed
- Slowest pummel
- Slow walk speed
- Low grab range
- Large openings in her defense
- Limited uses for special moves, smash attacks, and aerials
+ very strong zoning game
+ books can be picked up and thrown as items
+ levin`s sword has great range and priority as well as disjointed hitbox
+ most significant health restoration move in the game
Cons:
- Slowest run speed
- Slowest pummel
- Slow walk speed
- Low grab range
- Large openings in her defense
- Limited uses for special moves, smash attacks, and aerials
Pros:
+ great zoning game
+ Good ground game
+ Great range and disjointed hitboxes due to Luma.
+ Has a projectile
+ Can control the stage fairly well
+ luma can tank a lot of attacks, get you out of grabs, attack you, aid in combos and many more things
+ Luma can act as a "meat shield" for oncoming projectiles
+ gravity pull can work against any kind of projectile in the game, and also makes the item belong to rosalina
+ very quick and powerful smashes with little ending lag
+ good kill moves
+ galaxy around many of her attacks isnt considered to be part of her actual body, so wins trades often
+ Very strong aerial attacks and juggling game
+ Recovery has a very long range.
+ Decent ground speed
+ Lunar Landing gives her a pressure option.
Cons:
- Rosalina's options become limited without Luma.
- has a hard time getting out of juggles
- Is a large light-weight target.
- floaty in general
- no hitboxes on her up special(unless customs are allowed)
- Some of her attacks have noticeable end lag.
- Luma can die soon after it respawns.
+ great zoning game
+ Good ground game
+ Great range and disjointed hitboxes due to Luma.
+ Has a projectile
+ Can control the stage fairly well
+ luma can tank a lot of attacks, get you out of grabs, attack you, aid in combos and many more things
+ Luma can act as a "meat shield" for oncoming projectiles
+ gravity pull can work against any kind of projectile in the game, and also makes the item belong to rosalina
+ very quick and powerful smashes with little ending lag
+ good kill moves
+ galaxy around many of her attacks isnt considered to be part of her actual body, so wins trades often
+ Very strong aerial attacks and juggling game
+ Recovery has a very long range.
+ Decent ground speed
+ Lunar Landing gives her a pressure option.
Cons:
- Rosalina's options become limited without Luma.
- has a hard time getting out of juggles
- Is a large light-weight target.
- floaty in general
- no hitboxes on her up special(unless customs are allowed)
- Some of her attacks have noticeable end lag.
- Luma can die soon after it respawns.
Pros:
+Good ground and air speed
+Good grab game with guaranteed followups out of Fthrow, and in some matchups Dthrow, till high percents
+Aerials have low landing lag for the amount of disjoint he gets
+Excellent kill power overall in ftilt, utilt, fsmash, dsmash, up b and bair
+Good, reliable kill confirms from nair hit 1 sour and sweet, and decent kill confirms from jab
+Good options against shield in landing with fair and tomahawking
+Excellent combo game, gets at least 20 off of any of his good combo confirms, up to around 40
+Great tech chase options in Fthrow and Dtilt if the opponent insists on DI'ing away, giving him DI mixups from throws against non-floaties
Cons:
-Aerials don't autocancel from shorthop, meaning that you must hit your opponent or make them spot/roll, or else they are punishable
-Lack of autocancel aerials means he can't spam them safely to push the opponent around, must rely on forcing the opponent to respect them as options out of neutral
-Fast faller, which gives him a good combo game but also makes him extremely vulnerable to combos
-Like many sword characters, doesn't really fare that well in neutral CQC. Frame 5 jab is fastest move
-Recovery, while having a big disjoint in the front, is fairly susceptible to being edge guarded from above (IE Falcon stomp etc)
-Poor air acceleration, can't weave around very much
+Good ground and air speed
+Good grab game with guaranteed followups out of Fthrow, and in some matchups Dthrow, till high percents
+Aerials have low landing lag for the amount of disjoint he gets
+Excellent kill power overall in ftilt, utilt, fsmash, dsmash, up b and bair
+Good, reliable kill confirms from nair hit 1 sour and sweet, and decent kill confirms from jab
+Good options against shield in landing with fair and tomahawking
+Excellent combo game, gets at least 20 off of any of his good combo confirms, up to around 40
+Great tech chase options in Fthrow and Dtilt if the opponent insists on DI'ing away, giving him DI mixups from throws against non-floaties
Cons:
-Aerials don't autocancel from shorthop, meaning that you must hit your opponent or make them spot/roll, or else they are punishable
-Lack of autocancel aerials means he can't spam them safely to push the opponent around, must rely on forcing the opponent to respect them as options out of neutral
-Fast faller, which gives him a good combo game but also makes him extremely vulnerable to combos
-Like many sword characters, doesn't really fare that well in neutral CQC. Frame 5 jab is fastest move
-Recovery, while having a big disjoint in the front, is fairly susceptible to being edge guarded from above (IE Falcon stomp etc)
-Poor air acceleration, can't weave around very much
Pros:
+Mix up heavy character great for people who like mindgames.
+Heavy and floaty means less hits stun at earlier percentages and more survivability at later percentages.
+Slows down rushdown characters with her approach countering tools.
+very strong meteor smash
Cons:
-Deals poorly with pressure.
-Heavy and floaty means she'll get juggled a lot.
-Drastically different play style from the rest of the cast, as such tedious to pick up and learn
+Mix up heavy character great for people who like mindgames.
+Heavy and floaty means less hits stun at earlier percentages and more survivability at later percentages.
+Slows down rushdown characters with her approach countering tools.
+very strong meteor smash
Cons:
-Deals poorly with pressure.
-Heavy and floaty means she'll get juggled a lot.
-Drastically different play style from the rest of the cast, as such tedious to pick up and learn
Pros:
+ One of the best recoveries in the game
+ Great OoS game
+ Great "get of me" moves
+ Great mobility both on the ground and in the air
+ One of the best rolls in the game, increasing her mobility and evasiveness on the ground
+ Great at punishing most things with sheer mobility, granting her one of the best neutral games.
+ Great mix ups and pressure game. SHFF Fair, SHFF empty jump, dash attack and dash grab mix up very effectively. Carries momentum well
+ Needles combo at higher percents and can put pressure into opponents to force them to approach
+ Has great zoning tools like Fair and Needles.
+ Has a lot of moves safe on shield when spaced correctly
+ Very quick moves in general
+ Has a very easy time landing a grab and has good follow-ups out of grab
+ Good combo game to rack up damage quickly at low and mid %s.
+ Great edge guarding
+Fast aerials, with very little lag
Cons:
-Her KO moves usually require hard reads to set up. She has to either hard read (and hit with like Fsmash or Usmash, or hit with a Bouncing Fish offstage) which carries a lot of risk, wait until very high percents when Bair starts to KO, or KO by gimping the opponent. So she relies on carrying momentum to KO.
-Bad Smash attacks besides Up-smash. D-smash can't cover large and quick rolls and is weak and has a significant amount of endlag so is very punishable (You will never see a Sheik doing this move lol) , F-smash is average.
-Most of her moves individually do very little damage. She has to combo to deal actual damage, which becomes harder at higher percents.
- Whiffed Bouncing Fish in the ground has a lot of landing lag (Spot dodge the bouncing Fish if grounded and punish)
- Light for her size
-Because of her lightweight and her difficulty setting up the KOs, the opponent will usually live very long against her. This her vulnerable to rage working against her and potentially getting KOed very early if the opponent successfully punishes her.
-Average reach on her moves, while lacking in disjointed hitboxes on most of her moves
-Side-b gives her in free fall animation, so in the air, if miss inputted side b is stock gone
+ One of the best recoveries in the game
+ Great OoS game
+ Great "get of me" moves
+ Great mobility both on the ground and in the air
+ One of the best rolls in the game, increasing her mobility and evasiveness on the ground
+ Great at punishing most things with sheer mobility, granting her one of the best neutral games.
+ Great mix ups and pressure game. SHFF Fair, SHFF empty jump, dash attack and dash grab mix up very effectively. Carries momentum well
+ Needles combo at higher percents and can put pressure into opponents to force them to approach
+ Has great zoning tools like Fair and Needles.
+ Has a lot of moves safe on shield when spaced correctly
+ Very quick moves in general
+ Has a very easy time landing a grab and has good follow-ups out of grab
+ Good combo game to rack up damage quickly at low and mid %s.
+ Great edge guarding
+Fast aerials, with very little lag
Cons:
-Her KO moves usually require hard reads to set up. She has to either hard read (and hit with like Fsmash or Usmash, or hit with a Bouncing Fish offstage) which carries a lot of risk, wait until very high percents when Bair starts to KO, or KO by gimping the opponent. So she relies on carrying momentum to KO.
-Bad Smash attacks besides Up-smash. D-smash can't cover large and quick rolls and is weak and has a significant amount of endlag so is very punishable (You will never see a Sheik doing this move lol) , F-smash is average.
-Most of her moves individually do very little damage. She has to combo to deal actual damage, which becomes harder at higher percents.
- Whiffed Bouncing Fish in the ground has a lot of landing lag (Spot dodge the bouncing Fish if grounded and punish)
- Light for her size
-Because of her lightweight and her difficulty setting up the KOs, the opponent will usually live very long against her. This her vulnerable to rage working against her and potentially getting KOed very early if the opponent successfully punishes her.
-Average reach on her moves, while lacking in disjointed hitboxes on most of her moves
-Side-b gives her in free fall animation, so in the air, if miss inputted side b is stock gone
Pros:
+ Versatile character who can call upon his Monado Arts for literally any situation
+ One of the biggest if not the biggest disjointed hitboxes in the game
+ Can greatly capitalize on any momentum he gets
Cons:
- 90% of his approach options involve Nair or Fair, making him predictable to shield-grabs
- Mediocre frame data meaning he's required to space well
- Every Monado Art has 1 or 2 core playstyles that can easily be noticed and exploited by their opponents
+ Versatile character who can call upon his Monado Arts for literally any situation
+ One of the biggest if not the biggest disjointed hitboxes in the game
+ Can greatly capitalize on any momentum he gets
Cons:
- 90% of his approach options involve Nair or Fair, making him predictable to shield-grabs
- Mediocre frame data meaning he's required to space well
- Every Monado Art has 1 or 2 core playstyles that can easily be noticed and exploited by their opponents
Pros:
+ fastest character in the game
+ great combos
+ many mindgames and mixups with all of his ball moves and cancels
+ great juggling which can often lead to kos
+ good at racking up damage fast while staying safe
+ great off stage pressure
Cons:
- many jab combos can easily disrupt his side or down special
- struggles against zoners
- struggles against very defensive playstyles
- can be forced to play very campy and boring in certain match ups at high levels of play
- homing attack can feel very useless sometimes
- not very many strong approach options
+ fastest character in the game
+ great combos
+ many mindgames and mixups with all of his ball moves and cancels
+ great juggling which can often lead to kos
+ good at racking up damage fast while staying safe
+ great off stage pressure
Cons:
- many jab combos can easily disrupt his side or down special
- struggles against zoners
- struggles against very defensive playstyles
- can be forced to play very campy and boring in certain match ups at high levels of play
- homing attack can feel very useless sometimes
- not very many strong approach options
Pros:
+ Three very good projectiles
+ Excels at taking stage control
+ Can easily rack up damage
+ Can out-camp almost everyone
+ Has a z-air, which is a great poking and spacing tool with little landing lag
+ Good running speed, and has the tools to slow down faster characters
+ Two recoveries with spin attack and the tether, giving more options to recover with
+ Good ability to combo with bombs, the boomerang, and u-tilt
+ Difficult to combo due to being light and floaty
+ Great grab range
+ Has a kill throw
+ His Hylian shield can protect against a lot of projectiles just by very slowly walking forward, crouching, or standing around
Cons:
- Light and easy to KO
- No moves with a hitbox that comes out before frame 6
- Bad at taking back stage control once it's been lost
- Loses to approaches like dash shield, mainly because his grab is slow
- Has a terrible and generally useless d-air
- Loses the camping fight to a few characters
- Grab has a lot of ending lag and is very punishable if it misses
- Aerials have a lot of landing lag, and are unsafe on shield
- Can't efficiently deal with direct pressure and/or rush down
- Gets gimped relatively easy
- Has trouble landing the kill while racking up damage and increasing the opponent's rage
+ Three very good projectiles
+ Excels at taking stage control
+ Can easily rack up damage
+ Can out-camp almost everyone
+ Has a z-air, which is a great poking and spacing tool with little landing lag
+ Good running speed, and has the tools to slow down faster characters
+ Two recoveries with spin attack and the tether, giving more options to recover with
+ Good ability to combo with bombs, the boomerang, and u-tilt
+ Difficult to combo due to being light and floaty
+ Great grab range
+ Has a kill throw
+ His Hylian shield can protect against a lot of projectiles just by very slowly walking forward, crouching, or standing around
Cons:
- Light and easy to KO
- No moves with a hitbox that comes out before frame 6
- Bad at taking back stage control once it's been lost
- Loses to approaches like dash shield, mainly because his grab is slow
- Has a terrible and generally useless d-air
- Loses the camping fight to a few characters
- Grab has a lot of ending lag and is very punishable if it misses
- Aerials have a lot of landing lag, and are unsafe on shield
- Can't efficiently deal with direct pressure and/or rush down
- Gets gimped relatively easy
- Has trouble landing the kill while racking up damage and increasing the opponent's rage
Pros:
+ good zoning ability
+ good combo potential
+ nair, great for combo breaking+comboing
+ one of the best recoveries in the game
+ very tricky and has a lot of traps
+ can ko at very early percents
+ Pretty heavy for how small of a character he/she is
+ dair is disjointed and spikes
+ great offstage options
+ great edge guarding options
+ upsmash scoops and is also disjointed
+ can always have a rocket on the field
+ dtilt+utilt KO
+ back throw KOs
+ ftilt has a great hitbox+pivot options
Cons:
- slow dash speed
- weak grab because of startup AND ending lag, it's punishable and also can be spot dodged on reaction, it requires a read to land, the reward is way lower than the risk unless u get a backthrow KO.
- hard to punish with fsmash and dsmash due to small hitboxes
- reflectors are strong against him due to most of his moves counting as projectiles
- because of villager's weak grab and the buff to counters in wiiU, counters are especially strong vs villager because you know he's probably throwing out a hitbox, especially vs his B+B nair
- fast dash speed characters are an issue because these characters can dash past the rocket before it becomes active and can punish rocket trap setups
- jab has low damage
- all tilts have startup lag, especially dtilt
- despite the slight extra damage, bair is pretty much a wasted button if u think about it
+ good zoning ability
+ good combo potential
+ nair, great for combo breaking+comboing
+ one of the best recoveries in the game
+ very tricky and has a lot of traps
+ can ko at very early percents
+ Pretty heavy for how small of a character he/she is
+ dair is disjointed and spikes
+ great offstage options
+ great edge guarding options
+ upsmash scoops and is also disjointed
+ can always have a rocket on the field
+ dtilt+utilt KO
+ back throw KOs
+ ftilt has a great hitbox+pivot options
Cons:
- slow dash speed
- weak grab because of startup AND ending lag, it's punishable and also can be spot dodged on reaction, it requires a read to land, the reward is way lower than the risk unless u get a backthrow KO.
- hard to punish with fsmash and dsmash due to small hitboxes
- reflectors are strong against him due to most of his moves counting as projectiles
- because of villager's weak grab and the buff to counters in wiiU, counters are especially strong vs villager because you know he's probably throwing out a hitbox, especially vs his B+B nair
- fast dash speed characters are an issue because these characters can dash past the rocket before it becomes active and can punish rocket trap setups
- jab has low damage
- all tilts have startup lag, especially dtilt
- despite the slight extra damage, bair is pretty much a wasted button if u think about it
Pros:
+ can eat many things, bite is a lot stronger in this game in general
+ great aerial maneuverability
+ many recovery options when all are available
+ excellent edgeguard and ledgeguard options
+ benefits from stalling the game (which is extra important in certain match ups)
Cons:
- waft is useless for a lot of the game
- up special has poor recovery
- poor range
- very few true combos
- difficult to land ko moves reliably
+ can eat many things, bite is a lot stronger in this game in general
+ great aerial maneuverability
+ many recovery options when all are available
+ excellent edgeguard and ledgeguard options
+ benefits from stalling the game (which is extra important in certain match ups)
Cons:
- waft is useless for a lot of the game
- up special has poor recovery
- poor range
- very few true combos
- difficult to land ko moves reliably
+ good running speed and jump height
+ great aerial maneuverability (about even with warios)
+ great custom moves
+ Healing with both Deep Breathing (down special) and Sun Salutation (neutral special)
+ Strong in both long and short range combat
+ jab combo grounds opponents
+ jab 1 attacks on both sides
+ Long and unpredictable recovery makes her difficult to edgeguard (WFT can often stall until you're forced to return to the edge or die)
+ Deep Breathing and Header can be used to make landings unpredictable
+ Header can be used to attack from the ledge, even from across the stage
Cons:
- small hit boxes
- Many of his/her attacks whiff on short characters
- without proper mash up special doesnt go very far
- requires extremely good spacing on her moves in order to be effective
- Frame data generally not impressive
+ great aerial maneuverability (about even with warios)
+ great custom moves
+ Healing with both Deep Breathing (down special) and Sun Salutation (neutral special)
+ Strong in both long and short range combat
+ jab combo grounds opponents
+ jab 1 attacks on both sides
+ Long and unpredictable recovery makes her difficult to edgeguard (WFT can often stall until you're forced to return to the edge or die)
+ Deep Breathing and Header can be used to make landings unpredictable
+ Header can be used to attack from the ledge, even from across the stage
Cons:
- small hit boxes
- Many of his/her attacks whiff on short characters
- without proper mash up special doesnt go very far
- requires extremely good spacing on her moves in order to be effective
- Frame data generally not impressive
Pros:
+Speedy on the ground and in the air
+ Fast in the air and on the ground
+Great zoning option in the egg toss
+ Eggs create a wall and can be used for approaching
+aerial grab in egg lay
+ Egg lay can be B-reversed, and create unique movement
+ground pound can kill and can be set up with a jab
+double jump armor
+fairly heavy
+unique shield mechanics which make his shield arguably better than everyone else's
+ His aerials are very good
+ up air is a reliable, quick kill move
+ nair is a combo breaker and a damn good one
+ dair can hit for 32%
+ OoS Nair/Upsmash
+ Jab 1 can be chained continuously, jab 2 has decent range
+ Can literally eat shields from the air
+ Fair is quick, can meteor, can combo [into kills], and has a low hitbox during landing lag animation
Cons:
-gimped very easily, especially by footstools
-standing grab is slow, dash and pivot grabs have are very easy to punish
-egg roll is easily dealt with and not a very good moves
- UpB doesn't reset upon grabbing a ledge
- Throws don't kill nor combo into anything
+Speedy on the ground and in the air
+ Fast in the air and on the ground
+Great zoning option in the egg toss
+ Eggs create a wall and can be used for approaching
+aerial grab in egg lay
+ Egg lay can be B-reversed, and create unique movement
+ground pound can kill and can be set up with a jab
+double jump armor
+fairly heavy
+unique shield mechanics which make his shield arguably better than everyone else's
+ His aerials are very good
+ up air is a reliable, quick kill move
+ nair is a combo breaker and a damn good one
+ dair can hit for 32%
+ OoS Nair/Upsmash
+ Jab 1 can be chained continuously, jab 2 has decent range
+ Can literally eat shields from the air
+ Fair is quick, can meteor, can combo [into kills], and has a low hitbox during landing lag animation
Cons:
-gimped very easily, especially by footstools
-standing grab is slow, dash and pivot grabs have are very easy to punish
-egg roll is easily dealt with and not a very good moves
- UpB doesn't reset upon grabbing a ledge
- Throws don't kill nor combo into anything
Pros:
+ good zoning
+ back air can ko very early with sweet spot
+ down special is very good for edge guarding
+ up special has 2 hitboxes, one at the start and one at the end
Cons:
- many of her moves come out slow
- poor approach options
- floaty, tall, and lightweight for her size
+ good zoning
+ back air can ko very early with sweet spot
+ down special is very good for edge guarding
+ up special has 2 hitboxes, one at the start and one at the end
Cons:
- many of her moves come out slow
- poor approach options
- floaty, tall, and lightweight for her size
Pros:
+Amazing recovery with lots of mix ups to recover with. Is very difficult to edgeguard
+Amazing mobility, both on the ground and in the air. Has one of the fastest and highest jumps in the game and has good falling speed.
+Combos easily from a lot of moves and her combos deal massive damage, making her punish game one of the most dangerous ones as she can rack up huge damage or KO with the blink of an eye. Has an effective juggle game. She can punish even the smallest of wrong commitments severely, like with Up b OoS.
+Has a lot of KO moves. KOes very early with moves like down b and up b. Bair is a reliable KO move. Has many set ups into KO like Dthrow into Uair, Uair into Up b, or Dsmash into almost anything.
+ Boost kick kills everyone near the top at around 100%
+Very quick moves overall, including a frame 1 jab and a frame 3 Utilt, and a lot of them are safe on shield when spaced correctly.
+Great reach on a lot of her moves, and a lot of her moves are disjointed, allowing her to control space well and pressure effectively.
+Has pretty good mix ups, with dash attack travelling very far and her mobility to mix up between FF, non-FF and empty jump and well spaced aerials to make her trickier to predict.
+Good grab game. Her grab is disjointed and has very long reach. Dthrow follow-ups easily into moves like Uair or Fair.
+Resets relatively bad situations back into neutral easily, greatly helping her to take less damage when getting punished. Flip Jump is a great tool to get out of pressure and juggles.
+ frame 1 jab
+ One of the best utilts in the game
+ can stun with her neutral special or down smash
Cons:
-Relies a lot on reads. Although sometimes her commitments are very low risk, other times she relies on high riskreads to punish severely. This makes her heavily reliant on conditioning and adapting to the opponent.
-Some characters can crouch under a lot of her moves, including jab 1, Paralyser Utilt, Bair, Zair and neutral angled Ftilt, forcing her to adapt to that option.
-Her grab is very slow and is highly punishable on whiff, making it risky to throw out most of the time.
-Can sometimes have problems vs characters with strong OoS options and chars with a strong ability to whiff punish due to her grab being risky to throw out. This can make her struggle a little bit in neutral sometimes. Her shield pressure and mobility in general can make this significantly less of an issue.
-Very light and relatively tall for her weight.
- Dair is very laggy when whiffed and easy to avoid
- light weight, bigger target
- Doesnt have many tools for off stage pressure
+Amazing recovery with lots of mix ups to recover with. Is very difficult to edgeguard
+Amazing mobility, both on the ground and in the air. Has one of the fastest and highest jumps in the game and has good falling speed.
+Combos easily from a lot of moves and her combos deal massive damage, making her punish game one of the most dangerous ones as she can rack up huge damage or KO with the blink of an eye. Has an effective juggle game. She can punish even the smallest of wrong commitments severely, like with Up b OoS.
+Has a lot of KO moves. KOes very early with moves like down b and up b. Bair is a reliable KO move. Has many set ups into KO like Dthrow into Uair, Uair into Up b, or Dsmash into almost anything.
+ Boost kick kills everyone near the top at around 100%
+Very quick moves overall, including a frame 1 jab and a frame 3 Utilt, and a lot of them are safe on shield when spaced correctly.
+Great reach on a lot of her moves, and a lot of her moves are disjointed, allowing her to control space well and pressure effectively.
+Has pretty good mix ups, with dash attack travelling very far and her mobility to mix up between FF, non-FF and empty jump and well spaced aerials to make her trickier to predict.
+Good grab game. Her grab is disjointed and has very long reach. Dthrow follow-ups easily into moves like Uair or Fair.
+Resets relatively bad situations back into neutral easily, greatly helping her to take less damage when getting punished. Flip Jump is a great tool to get out of pressure and juggles.
+ frame 1 jab
+ One of the best utilts in the game
+ can stun with her neutral special or down smash
Cons:
-Relies a lot on reads. Although sometimes her commitments are very low risk, other times she relies on high riskreads to punish severely. This makes her heavily reliant on conditioning and adapting to the opponent.
-Some characters can crouch under a lot of her moves, including jab 1, Paralyser Utilt, Bair, Zair and neutral angled Ftilt, forcing her to adapt to that option.
-Her grab is very slow and is highly punishable on whiff, making it risky to throw out most of the time.
-Can sometimes have problems vs characters with strong OoS options and chars with a strong ability to whiff punish due to her grab being risky to throw out. This can make her struggle a little bit in neutral sometimes. Her shield pressure and mobility in general can make this significantly less of an issue.
-Very light and relatively tall for her weight.
- Dair is very laggy when whiffed and easy to avoid
- light weight, bigger target
- Doesnt have many tools for off stage pressure
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