RARing seems neat but...

[_Phloat_]

My characters don't really benefit from it much (Meta Knight mainly) so I was wondering

Who (besiedes Toon Link) benefits most from RARing, mainly I want to see if RARing can lead to a good approach with some otherwise campy characters...

 

[KiteDXX]

Ike, Kirby, Jigglypuff.

 

[masteraj]

dedede and falco

 

[Phyziks]

Any character who has a good bair attack benefits from this. ZSS for example can K.O. people pretty good with her bair, it has more knockback and K.O. potential than her fair.

 

[KiteDXX]

Ah, I also forgot about Yoshi. It's Yoshi's best approach from what I've seen.

 

[Strivus]

Ike benefits greatly for him. His B-Air is his best move, almost inexistant lag, huge range and priority, great dmg and knockback and comes out blindingly fast. I use it to approach campy characters and it works wonders.

 

[_Phloat_]

Isn't kirby's bair easy to shieldgrab our jump out and attack back into? I am wondering if there is a RARing character that has it as an actual strong approach..

But thanks guys.

 

[KiteDXX]

Isn't kirby's bair easy to shieldgrab our jump out and attack back into? I am wondering if there is a RARing character that has it as an actual strong approach..

But thanks guys.

Anyone's shielded attack is easy to shield grab provided it doesn't knock you out of grab range. Unless I'm missing the example you're trying to explain.

Yoshi and Ike use RAR very well.

 

[ducky285]

Anyone with a quick b-air can take advantage of RAR.

Yoshi's RAR'd b-air is an amazing approach. Hard to shieldgrab, can shield-stab and can combo into pretty much anything.

Ike's RAR'd b-air is his quickest approach. Diddy and the Mario Bros. can RAR into double b-airs. DK also comes to mind

 

[Tyrael64]

What about Snake? Is he good with it?

 

[zPhoenixExz]

IVYSAUR....that 270 degree B-air wall of doom is probably the best one to rar, especially since its F-air is quite a bit slower and has way shorter range.

 

[Veil2222]

I use raring not only for bair approach, but to fake bair approach, air dodge, land, and grab. Also, Ikes Nair is great for going over/through them as it has a backwards hit box too.

 

[-Knux-]

DK definitely benefits from this. His Bair is amazing.

 

[shadydentist]

Anyone's shielded attack is easy to shield grab provided it doesn't knock you out of grab range.

Quite a few people have un-shield-grabbable attacks. Marth's forward air if spaced right, Game and Watch's back air, etc.

 

[Wiggles]

Wolf benefits a great deal from this...considering his bair is great for spacing and ko's

 

[MLG Mune]

it never hurts to bair instead of fair. atleast ull be doing more dmg .

 

[Replacement100]

I think the question is more, who *doesn't* benefit.
I can't really recall from the top of my head, someone who has a bad bair. (though, I'm not thinking very hard)

 

[ducky285]

I think the question is more, who *doesn't* benefit.
I can't really recall from the top of my head, someone who has a bad bair. (though, I'm not thinking very hard)

Bowser's f-air is much better than his b-air. Also, his b-air is laggy if you try short-hopping it.

Others that come to mind

Samus (fair is fast and good for comboing)
Toon Link (his fair and bair are practically the same)
Meta Knight (see Toon Link)
Lucas (bair is kind slow and hard to hit with, fair is quicker)
Lucario (I personally prefer the fair since it's fairly quick and easy to hit with)
Marth (fair is the same or better)
Zelda (bair and fair are the same freaking move)
Olimar (bair and fair are all that different)
R.O.B. (fair is the better attack, though bair is still useful because of its propulsion qualities)

 

[TheLake]

Bowser's f-air is much better than his b-air. Also, his b-air is laggy if you try short-hopping it.

Others that come to mind

Samus (fair is fast and good for comboing)
Toon Link (his fair and bair are practically the same)Meta Knight (see Toon Link)
Lucas (bair is kind slow and hard to hit with, fair is quicker)
Lucario (I personally prefer the fair since it's fairly quick and easy to hit with)
Marth (fair is the same or better)
Zelda (bair and fair are the same freaking move)Olimar (bair and fair are all that different)
R.O.B. (fair is the better attack, though bair is still useful because of its propulsion qualities)

LOL

 

[ph00tbag]

Bowser's f-air is much better than his b-air. Also, his b-air is laggy if you try short-hopping it.

Others that come to mind

Samus (fair is fast and good for comboing)

RAR is still useful for Samus, because her bair very good for getting people of the stage, and perhaps even killing.

I dunno what the hell you're talking about with Toon Link, though. His bair is ****.

 

[GDX]

its useful for quite a bit of characters, but lets not forget about Game and Watch. That turtle means serious business

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

It's a great approach from Sonic.

 

[ducky285]

RAR is still useful for Samus, because her bair very good for getting people of the stage, and perhaps even killing.

I dunno what the hell you're talking about with Toon Link, though. His bair is ****.

Samus's f-air seems better, but yeah, b-air serves a different, useful purpose altogether so I guess RAR is useful.

Also, Toon Link's f-air is essentially the same as the b-air. I would just use the f-air, personally. It comes out just as fast and does about the same damage/knockback.

 

[DD151]

TL's fair can't combo into itself like his bair can. iirc it comes out slower too and its knockback is more suited for killing than the bair's.

(ps sup ducky lol)

 

[ducky285]

sup Dondon hehe

 

[FrozenFire13]

Bowser's f-air is much better than his b-air. Also, his b-air is laggy if you try short-hopping it.

Others that come to mind

Samus (fair is fast and good for comboing)
Toon Link (his fair and bair are practically the same)
Meta Knight (see Toon Link)
Lucas (bair is kind slow and hard to hit with, fair is quicker)
Lucario (I personally prefer the fair since it's fairly quick and easy to hit with)
Marth (fair is the same or better)
Zelda (bair and fair are the same freaking move)
Olimar (bair and fair are all that different)
R.O.B. (fair is the better attack, though bair is still useful because of its propulsion qualities)

It doesn't matter what your personal opinion is in the sense of best strategy. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, because I hate people who do that, but Lucario's bair has more knockback and ko potential. The fact that it is slightly slower is basically irrevelent.

 

[Shukudai]

snake's rar isn't all that great. worst recovery ever (next to bowser).

 

[brawlerbrad91]

Luigi's bair is teh pwnzorz, great range and quick comin out, doesn't take off too much damage, i'm pretty sure it's same damage as fair, but other than that bair is much better, but his nair is better than both of them, so...

 

[Greenpoe]

Sheik's bair has excellent knockback, given that you haven't decayed it.

 

[colored blind]

The point of using TL's Bair is that with diminishing returns, you can weaken his Bair enough to make them combo into each other really well.

Wolf's Bair works on a similar level. It's great for KOing, but if you weaken it with diminishing returns, you can Wolf Wall (Wall of Pain, but with Wolf) people pretty well, as you can full hop double Bair easily.

ROB's Bair isn't that bad to RAR. It has great knockback, and it's perfect for spacing since it blasts you in the opposite direction.

Olimar's Bair is useful if you've weakened your Fair, but that would be the only real reason to RAR it.

Dedede's Bair is pretty much ****. Great to use if you've already chaingrabbed your opponent to obscene percents.

Oh yeah, Pit and Ness have crazy KO moves in a sweetspotted Bair.

Even if your characters don't utilize RAR very well, it's a valuable technique to learn in order to keep your playstyle unpredictable and less susceptible to diminishing returns.

 

[Starscream]

Falco is great with RARing. It's probably his best form of edge guarding.

 

[bobknob]

Um, wrong on zelda. Her backair is much better than her f-air. Quicker, less lag on landing, can do 2 per shorthop.

 

[JT_productions829]

From the last time I played against R.O.B. (on Easter) I remember his B-air hitting in front of him as well. A pretty crazy move if you ask me. I also think it had some decent priority as well. I could be wrong, however, I didn't really pay too much attention to it.

In addition, I think Wolf has a nice B-air. It has decent knockback that you combo into.