Revival of Melee 3 | Video Thread - BEST GFS EVER?! MATCHES UP.

[Mahone]

M2k beat Hbox. He wasn't off his game at this tourney.

Thats not how it works. If you seriously think m2k wasn't messing up stuff in gf i don't know what to say. I'm not taking away anything from pp though, because i think m2k was messing up because of the pressure pp was putting on, so no johns....

but no matter what the reason, m2k messing up makes gfs less entertaining to watch

 

[Iron Dragon]

Thats not how it works. If you seriously think m2k wasn't messing up stuff in gf i don't know what to say. I'm not taking away anything from pp though, because i think m2k was messing up because of the pressure pp was putting on, so no johns....

but no matter what the reason, m2k messing up makes gfs less entertaining to watch

And I could say PP messed up a lot in GFs too. I could say he wasn't playing seriously and didn't decide to play a lot safer and not get gimped until last stock multiple times, because that's when you see him truly play how he knows. But I won't because that's not to take away from how good M2K did/played. To say that just because PP started stepping it up means that M2K "played bad" is a stupid and horrible excuse.

It's all just bias really but you'll probably try and argue that too so I'll just leave this and nothing more. All I can say is enjoy the sets and don't try to john for either side. What happen happen, who won, won. All we can really hope for is that sets like these happen more often.

 

[supbro]

it's natural to think every new thing is the "best thing ever" (see falcomist v dsw).

but that doesn't make it true.

vids are pretty boring to watch anyway. tbh the metagame has stagnated since m2k @ long island. the only character who has really advanced is falco, and the only matchup that really epitomizes what smash is about imo (speed and efficiency) is fox v falco.

the game is like a great drug: hypnotic and stimulating, and like any good addiction u don't know ur in the throes of it until you're knee-deep in it. but objectively speaking u do most of the same things over and over in every match with little deviation.

and the funniest part is that the game was most efficient shortly after its inception. the combined level of azen/chu/pc/ken/isai/m2k has never been replicated.

funny how the more people know about the game the less capable they are of doing it consistently. even the "most technical" players like lovage and sw choke in tourny.

 

[idea]

no one plays their best in tournament, especially not in grand finals with a huge crowd of people behind you.

also, person above me, you can't base everything you know off youtube videos =/

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

it's natural to think every new thing is the "best thing ever" (see falcomist v dsw).

but that doesn't make it true.

vids are pretty boring to watch anyway. tbh the metagame has stagnated since m2k @ long island. the only character who has really advanced is falco, and the only matchup that really epitomizes what smash is about imo (speed and efficiency) is fox v falco.

the game is like a great drug: hypnotic and stimulating, and like any good addiction u don't know ur in the throes of it until you're knee-deep in it. but objectively speaking u do most of the same things over and over in every match with little deviation.

and the funniest part is that the game was most efficient shortly after its inception. the combined level of azen/chu/pc/ken/isai/m2k has never been replicated.

funny how the more people know about the game the less capable they are of doing it consistently. even the "most technical" players like lovage and sw choke in tourny.

i disagree with basically all of your post

 

[ph00tbag]

I love how M2K only loses when he's playing badly.

And he hasn't won a national or international tournament in nearly a year.

Maybe he's just not the best player anymore.

 

[JPOBS]

M2k beat Hbox. He wasn't off his game at this tourney.

i didnt mean it like he was off his game or anything, im not johning for m2k or saying he was "playing badly". when i say "it wasnt his day" its a figure of speech meaning he just couldnt pull it out, but next time, i wouldnt be surprised if m2k won if a few more things had gone his way. like the 10 or so times his moves clanked with PPs phantasm instead of just beating it, thats a matter of being off by mere milliseconds, which could easily have been the diference in many of the matches.

great set tho.

 

[L-J]

People like you would still be saying that when he loses Pound 5. Over a year after he actually won a major. Friendlies don't count for ****, I think the metagame has caught up to him.

This is so wrong I just had to quote it. Mango not the best player in the world? Ahem, yes of course...of course every single top player saying otherwise means nothing. Yes. I agree.

GFs were awesome - good **** by both players. Congrats to Peepee and M2k please don't quit Melee. Pretty please.

 

[Bonsai]

it's natural to think every new thing is the "best thing ever" (see falcomist v dsw).

but that doesn't make it true.

vids are pretty boring to watch anyway. tbh the metagame has stagnated since m2k @ long island. the only character who has really advanced is falco, and the only matchup that really epitomizes what smash is about imo (speed and efficiency) is fox v falco.

the game is like a great drug: hypnotic and stimulating, and like any good addiction u don't know ur in the throes of it until you're knee-deep in it. but objectively speaking u do most of the same things over and over in every match with little deviation.

and the funniest part is that the game was most efficient shortly after its inception. the combined level of azen/chu/pc/ken/isai/m2k has never been replicated.

funny how the more people know about the game the less capable they are of doing it consistently. even the "most technical" players like lovage and sw choke in tourny.

metagame stagnated? hell no. maybe SOME players keep the same playstyle but you don't see them getting top 5
look closer

 

[Griffard]

Plus, the commentary isn't really commentary...its just an audience member with a mic.

when my friends and i were watching, this is exactly what i said.

 

[omgwtfToph]

this thread brought some serious killjoys out the woodwork. and i bet none of them are any good at smash LOL...

 

[strawhats]

M2k beat Hbox. He wasn't off his game at this tourney.



People like you would still be saying that when he loses Pound 5. Over a year after he actually won a major. Friendlies don't count for ****, I think the metagame has caught up to him.

sigh....its ignorance like this that makes me question human intelligence sometimes. Obviously you'd have to see mango play in person. Also, if you were to hear how players such as m2k, hbox, armada, pp, amsah, etc...talk about mango, and how skilled he is, you would think twice about making such a ludicrous comment. BTW, mango is the metagame.

mango is the best, stop questioning it. You many not like that he's the best, but give credit to where credit is due.

 

[Tyr_03]

someone needs to convince mango to try harder in singles.

 

[LLDL]

for the last time, he does try hard. He just wasn't using falco/puff. He stuck to his experimental characters and still got mad far lol. I don't see what's wrong with that.

When people say stuff like that about mango, it kinda pisses me off. He still always makes bracket and gets MAD far. Lol he beat nando kage and lambchops while not using his main characters, these players do not suck lol. When you imply that he was sandbagging, its just disrespectful to the players who were knocked out by him.

 

[ph00tbag]

someone needs to convince mango to try harder in singles.

I think this is the truest statement in the thread so far.

People keep saying that Mango is still the best, but the only evidence out there for him being good is friendlies. Basing your conclusions off of friendlies is backwards. No one denies that Mango has been sandbagging hard the past year but the simple fact is, no one also knows how Mango would perform if he actually tried.

This is the same argument everyone sees in PR threads, and it's frankly annoying to see even good players using argumentum ad populum like this. Sure, a player may be good, and sure everyone may see that potential, but if he's sandbagging in tournament more often than he isn't, that should be reflected in how people judge how good he is.

Mango in 2010 is not as good as Mango in 2008, because Mango in 2010 sandbags in every national he attends. Cut the ****ing johns.

 

[NeutralDamage]

ph00tbag speaks the truth!

 

[Big Red]

it's natural to think every new thing is the "best thing ever" (see falcomist v dsw).

but that doesn't make it true.

vids are pretty boring to watch anyway. tbh the metagame has stagnated since m2k @ long island. the only character who has really advanced is falco, and the only matchup that really epitomizes what smash is about imo (speed and efficiency) is fox v falco.

the game is like a great drug: hypnotic and stimulating, and like any good addiction u don't know ur in the throes of it until you're knee-deep in it. but objectively speaking u do most of the same things over and over in every match with little deviation.

and the funniest part is that the game was most efficient shortly after its inception. the combined level of azen/chu/pc/ken/isai/m2k has never been replicated.

funny how the more people know about the game the less capable they are of doing it consistently. even the "most technical" players like lovage and sw choke in tourny.

alol

Also alol at the idiots saying the commentary was biased.

 

[Stevo]

I agree. Gameplay from both PP and M2K was on point.

Not going to lie though; RC was a disappointing finish. Ban that shiz.

Still, best set I've seen all year, probably.

yea I was disappointed with the RC counter pick.

would have been an even better set minus that stage. I don't think it is a horrible stage, I just don't like seeing it when money is on the line.

 

[Cyrain]

the only evidence out there for him being good is friendlies. .

I don't think I've ever met you, but I already dislike you. I guess that winning nationals isn't very compelling evidence. I guess winning teams doesn't say much about his skill level either. Neither does beating Kage with Link or making Hbox quit out of a money match at Apex because he was getting 4 stocked.

I don't know or care if he is undeniably THE BEST and unbeatable like he was before, but if he pulled out his fox and tried at *Pound* 5 I'd put money on him winning.

-Edit- It'll be really funny if you're someone I actually do know in the smash community.

 

[strawhats]

I think this is the truest statement in the thread so far.

People keep saying that Mango is still the best, but the only evidence out there for him being good is friendlies. Basing your conclusions off of friendlies is backwards. No one denies that Mango has been sandbagging hard the past year but the simple fact is, no one also knows how Mango would perform if he actually tried.

This is the same argument everyone sees in PR threads, and it's frankly annoying to see even good players using argumentum ad populum like this. Sure, a player may be good, and sure everyone may see that potential, but if he's sandbagging in tournament more often than he isn't, that should be reflected in how people judge how good he is.

Mango in 2010 is not as good as Mango in 2008, because Mango in 2010 sandbags in every national he attends. Cut the ****ing johns.

i hope mango reads this thread and actually shows people his dominance is not to be put under scrutiny or ****ed with. You don't know how it absolutely pisses me off when people take away from someone's accomplishment by saying well that was then and this now..."if he aint winning now he must not be that good".

In fact **** that mango doesn't need to prove **** anymore, he's done it all.

Honestly, im pretty sure if m2k, hbox, or pp came into this thread and told you that what you are saying is complete nonsense, you would still probably feel this way.

 

[ILM]

Well, all the mango nonsense aside, I'd say that GFs were pretty good, I just wish there was unbiased commentary. Sure, HMW is usually a good choice, but I'm really fond of Wife's commentary for big matches like this.

 

[VGmasta]

Mew2King played a lot differently vs. HungryBox. I saw M2K crouch-cancel into grabs, and utilized the hell out of that top platform in that DreamLand 64 match.

 

[JBM falcon08]

I think this is the truest statement in the thread so far.

People keep saying that Mango is still the best, but the only evidence out there for him being good is friendlies. Basing your conclusions off of friendlies is backwards. No one denies that Mango has been sandbagging hard the past year but the simple fact is, no one also knows how Mango would perform if he actually tried.

This is the same argument everyone sees in PR threads, and it's frankly annoying to see even good players using argumentum ad populum like this. Sure, a player may be good, and sure everyone may see that potential, but if he's sandbagging in tournament more often than he isn't, that should be reflected in how people judge how good he is.

Mango in 2010 is not as good as Mango in 2008, because Mango in 2010 sandbags in every national he attends. Cut the ****ing johns.

Why would we have a list when we all(most of SWF) believe mango is the best still, whereas he isn't placing first with his secondaries.

No use in having a list a majority of people don't agree with. wouldnt make sense.

 

[MacD]

mango doesn't read smash boards anymore, ever since after he got banned

mango straight out doesn't try because he's bored

we all suck compared to him and it's boring, so he plays other characters because he still loves the game

he can beat most anyone with any top/high tier he has except peach cause he never plays her and things like falcon sheik

if you guys want mango to try again, get better, he'll start trying once he gets competition

 

[Rubyiris]

Did nobody watch the mango interview @ apex? He made everything macd said very clear then.

 

[JPOBS]

No one has noticed this yet, but all the people who try to say that mango isnt the best anymore, are a bunch of no name scrubs who never attend nationals, and don't really know jack squat about the players behind the characters other than what they watch on youtube on read on smashboards.

Everyone worth their salt who actually attends these tournaments and is actually involved in the community, knows the truth of the matter (mango is the best player bar none). Stop arguing with nobodies and trolls, you're wasting your time.

 

[Metal Reeper]

Yo Chain amazing thread, good work keepng up with everything <3

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

Thats not how it works. If you seriously think m2k wasn't messing up stuff in gf i don't know what to say. I'm not taking away anything from pp though, because i think m2k was messing up because of the pressure pp was putting on, so no johns....

but no matter what the reason, m2k messing up makes gfs less entertaining to watch

I don't mess up against my roommate, but I do mess up against Mango.

no one plays their best in tournament, especially not in grand finals with a huge crowd of people behind you.

also, person above me, you can't base everything you know off youtube videos =/

Personally I'm like 10x better in tourny (especially if I got a crowd) than in friendlies, I think that's true for a lot of people (or maybe the crowd is the result of the person playing well hmmmmm).




Great job to PP, I like the extreme patience and aggression displayed. Great job m2k, for keeping up / staying ahead given the circumstances.



And agreed with jpobs, the only people who question Mango being the best are the people who really wouldn't know better.

=D

 

[AlcyoNite]

I don't mess up against my roommate, but I mess up against Mango.

lucky roommate....

 

[Stratford]

lucky roommate....

I know, seriously...

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

lucky roommate....

He's gotten pretty good actually. At some point, I felt like I was losing to him in Falco dittos. He was outapproaching / outlasering me, I was only keeping up cause I could combo harder. Somehow his Falcon / Marth are just as good as his Falco, it's really weird.

If only he cared for tournaments... =(

 

[AlcyoNite]

damn if pp had just come to duke.....

 

[omgwtfToph]

Tanoto for ****ing president.

 

[Dr Peepee]

@Theo: Nah man that place is only fun to visit.

<3

 

[Rubyiris]

No one has noticed this yet, but all the people who try to say that mango isnt the best anymore, are a bunch of no name scrubs who never attend nationals, and don't really know jack squat about the players behind the characters other than what they watch on youtube on read on smashboards.

Everyone worth their salt who actually attends these tournaments and is actually involved in the community, knows the truth of the matter (mango is the best player bar none). Stop arguing with nobodies and trolls, you're wasting your time.

I'm a no-name BK who has never traveled OOS and I still know the truth of things. >__>

 

[Mahone]

I don't mess up against my roommate, but I do mess up against Mango.

Are you agreeing with me? I feel like everyone is missing my point, drpp forced m2k to make mistakes, so I'm not johning at all for m2k, I am just pointing out it is more fun to watch matches where people don't mess up stuff, that's just my opinion though.

 

[Iron Dragon]

Are you agreeing with me? I feel like everyone is missing my point, drpp forced m2k to make mistakes, so I'm not johning at all for m2k, I am just pointing out it is more fun to watch matches where people don't mess up stuff, that's just my opinion though.

Players who are better than you are going to cause you to mess up. Was this not established like...when people started playing competitively? O_o

 

[Pi]

i really don't think anyone could convince mango to try aside from mango

he's good, we all know it, but he's doing his own thing, just let him be

who cares if he starts winning tournaments again, if you want to see matches of him vs. great players, subscribe to pb&j, he's got sick friendlies that you'll love to see

appreciate the diversity in top placings while it's here, strive to do good yourself, forget about mango until he remembers us
and if he doesn't then oh well, he's got no responsibility to us, and we don't owe him anything we don't invent ourselfs.

if you want to look to him as a source of inspiration, great
if you want to ignore the fact that he exists, great

there's no reason to have him as the topic of conversation in every tournament thread though, it doesn't do any good, it's on him to decide if he wants to win or not

 

[MacD]

if you want to ignore the fact that he exists, great

this man knows what's up!!!!!!!

ps i'm serious, but probably only cause i'm going through an i hate mango phase

 

[ranmaru]

Well, Dr Pp seems to be stepping it up. So, maybe in the future he'll be competition for Mango?

I KNOW he's good. I didn't really know what he was doing to me in teams though. (and lucky) I tried my ****ing bestest. Lol we got six stocked. : ] (obv)