Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Shorts]

I didn't look at the Smash 64 commercial and think "oh boy, another fighting game!" I looked at it and thought "I can play as my favorite Nintendo characters!"

You didn't think "Diddy is being poorly represented because he's paired up with Dixie! He deserves better!" either.


Also, Kalos Trainer: Greninja, Braxian, and Chespin?

 

[arcticfox8]

The only problem I have with solo Dixie is, as I've said before, she's almost without-a-doubt doomed to be a semi-clone at best, the exact same situation that got her cut from Brawl. I'd make an existing character a little more interesting before tacking another Falco onto the roster.

Get out. I'm tired of this mindset. No character is "doomed" to be a semi-clone. A character gets in the game and you should be grateful. I'm tired of the ****. Even clones are unique. Fox and Falco in Melee play very different, since you like that example. The moves look the same but work entirely different. Have you played a Smash game before? Even then Dixie has a lot of room to be unique if you're so scared of "another Falco."

 

[Pacack]

Hello. What's going on, guys?

Ah. Diddy/Dixie Tag team...

Not fond of it, but not against it either. I would be sad to see Diddy's peels go, though. Maybe change his side b to that.

 

[UltimateWario]

Get out. I'm tired of this mindset. No character is "doomed" to be a semi-clone. A character gets in the game and you should be grateful. I'm tired of the ****. Even clones are unique. Fox and Falco in Melee play very different, since you like that example. The moves look the same but work entirely different. Have you played a Smash game before? Even then Dixie has a lot of room to be unique if you're so scared of "another Falco."

Woah, calm down, no reason to get all "UltimateWario" on me. I don't even like Dixie. But if you can seriously look at the similarities between Falco and Fox, then similarities between Diddy and Dixie (who is literally just Diddy with a ponytail) and tell me that Dixie screams "unique moveset potential", you've certainly got better eyes than I do.

Also, Kalos Trainer: Greninja, Braxian, and Chespin?

Yes, yes please.

 

[BKupa666]

A character gets in and you should be grateful? This is more of the same Praise the Almighty Sakurai garbage that becomes intolerable at times, where whatever happens in the game is perfect, how dare you think anything else, and everything else not in the game sucked anyway, who cares that it's not there.

One can be a fan of Smash and thankful for a new Smash game and yet remain critical about its content.

 

[UltimateWario]

Not fond of it, but not against it either. I would be sad to see Diddy's peels go, though. Maybe change his side b to that.

It's not like Diddy's known for his face ****** skills.

My entire post was about defending clones, dude.

I'm of the belief that clones are ****ty, regardless of how different they may feel. If you're going to go to the trouble of making a character's moves look exactly the same as another's, but make them do different things, you might as well just make a new character.

 

[arcticfox8]

Woah, calm down, no reason to get all "UltimateWario" on me. I don't even like Dixie. But if you can seriously look at the similarities between Falco and Fox, then similarities between Diddy and Dixie (who is literally just Diddy with a ponytail) and tell me that Dixie screams "unique moveset potential", you've certainly got better eyes than I do.



Yes, yes please.

My entire post was about defending clones, dude.

 

[Pacack]

It's not like Diddy's known for his face ****** skills.



But you said that-

And that-


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...okay, sure. Fine.

And I'm positive the competitive side of things wouldn't suffer too badly from that.

 

[JamesDNaux]

You didn't think "Diddy is being poorly represented because he's paired up with Dixie! He deserves better!" either.


Also, Kalos Trainer: Greninja, Braxian, and Chespin?

I would think "Why can't I play as Diddy/Dixie without Dixie/Diddy being tacked on?" Maybe some people like one but not the other eh? They both deserve better.

I'd prefer Trainer keeps the same Pokemon and loses the stamina gimmick, Sakurai should focus on making the original idea work instead of making a new one.

 

[arcticfox8]

Get out. I'm tired of this mindset. No character is "doomed" to be a semi-clone. A character gets in the game and you should be grateful. I'm tired of the ****. Even clones are unique. Fox and Falco in Melee play very different, since you like that example. The moves look the same but work entirely different. Have you played a Smash game before? Even then Dixie has a lot of room to be unique if you're so scared of "another Falco."

Only the last line said anything about unique moveset potential, and that's because you were so worried we would get another Fox-Falco scenario, and without those characters I don't think Smash would ever be as big as it got. So that says something.

 

[UltimateWario]

I'd prefer Trainer keeps the same Pokemon and loses the stamina gimmick, Sakurai should focus on making the original idea work instead of making a new one.

I think Gen I's a bit oversaturated. PKMN Trainer could stand to get some fresher 'mons.

'Specially since Ridley and Charizard are WAY TOO SIMILAR.

Only the last line said anything about unique moveset potential, and that's because you were so worried we would get another Fox-Falco scenario, and without those characters I don't think Smash would ever be as big as it got. So that says something.

God, because Smash would've never gotten as popular as it is if everyone's favorite character, Falco, wouldn't have gotten in with the exact same moveset as Fox with different stats.

Think whatever you want, that doesn't make it true. Smash's popularity has nothing to do with clones. Hell, that's one of the biggest gripes with the series. I can't believe you're actually using them as a point for the series' popularity.

 

[Pacack]

I would think "Why can't I play as Diddy/Dixie without Dixie/Diddy being tacked on?" Maybe some people like one but not the other eh? They both deserve better.

I'd prefer Trainer keeps the same Pokemon and loses the stamina gimmick, Sakurai should focus on making the original idea work instead of making a new one.

I would actually be very upset if Sakurai just replaced the trainer's pokemon with more recent ones. They're the starters, after all.

 

[arcticfox8]

God, because Smash would've never gotten as popular as it is if everyone's favorite character, Falco, wouldn't have gotten in with the exact same moveset as Fox with different stats.

Think whatever you want, that doesn't make it true. Smash's popularity has nothing to do with clones. Hell, that's one of the biggest gripes with the series. I can't believe you're actually using them as a point for the series' popularity.

I was referring specifically to Fox and Falco. The Melee competitive scene, y'know. And if you honestly believe Smash would be as popular as it is now without it, you're either oblivious to it or a liar.

 

[Richard Nixon]

Also, Kalos Trainer: Greninja, Braxian, and Chespin?

I'm extremely fond of the idea of Kalos Trainer. Really not hopeful about the chances of it happening, but to be honest, Kalos Trainer is probably one of my most wanted characters... assuming the PT mechanics from Brawl would be improved, but I want that for the Kanto Trainer as well.

I'd go with Froakie, Braixen, and Chesnaught, personally. Froakie being fast and light, Chesnaught being slow and heavy, and Braixen being somewhere in between.

 

[Starcutter]

I was referring specifically to Fox and Falco. The Melee competitive scene, y'know. And if you honestly believe Smash would be as popular as it is now without it, you're either oblivious to it or a liar.

Probably not popular competitively, but I still see it selling millions. I bought it even before I knew that melee was competitive.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I was referring specifically to Fox and Falco. The Melee competitive scene, y'know. And if you honestly believe Smash would be as popular as it is now without it, you're either oblivious to it or a liar.

Yeah that's not true

I highly doubt all ~7 million people who bought Melee and ~10 million people who bought Brawl did so because of Melee's competitive scene.

Not attacking competitive play(people can play how they want), just saying it's not as big as you're making it out to be.

 

[andimidna]

Well, while I'm working on my script for my newest roster,how do you guys like it?

Needs moar Dixie ' _ '

I still stand by Vaati being the best 5th character for Zelda at the moment, I still haven't seen a good argument against him.

He. Wasn't. Even. A. Sticker. In. Brawl. Nintendo. Doesn't. Give. A. ****. About. Vaati.

On the subject of Diddy + Dixie drastically changing Diddy's gameplay: do we really know whether or not Sakurai is concerned with preserving a character's playstyle? I mean, Pit seems to have had his moveset almost entirely overhauled.

Plus, Samus added ZSS only in Brawl. That was a big change. I don't know why things would be different this time around.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Tripple post dude.

Calm down.

 

[andimidna]

You forgot Oracle of Ages

Nobody played the Tingle games. And Tingle did almost nothing in every game he was in except his own series. Representation isn't as big of a deal as people say. I'd rather have a 1-time character like Sheik, than one of the most hated characters.

 

[Starcutter]

Triple post? That's a paddlin.

 

[Fastblade5035]

He. Wasn't. Even. A. Sticker. In. Brawl. Nintendo. Doesn't. Give. A. ****. About. Vaati.

Characters need to be stickers before they can be playable now?

 

[andimidna]

Can't forget Oracle of Seasons either!

He wasn't in Oracles of Seasons.

Characters need to be stickers before they can be playable now?

They don't NEED to be. But it shows how many Zelda characters Nintendo cares about over him. Even Agitha, Ashei, and Aryll had trophies. Vaati was absolutely nowhere.

 

[Fastblade5035]

They don't NEED to be. But it shows how many Zelda characters Nintendo cares about over him. Even Agitha, Ashei, and Aryll had trophies. Vaati was absolutely nowhere.

Maybe Agitha, Ashei, and Aryll had trophies cause, y'know, WIND WAKER and TWILIGHT PRINCESS were basically 'the' Zelda games at the time? It's much easier to rip an insignificant supporting character from Twilight Princess than it is to create a brand new 3D model for someone who doesn't have anything to go off of.

 

[andimidna]

Why would they suddenly change their minds? Just wake up one day and decide to go from absolutely nowhere to full-on playable? He had 3 games between Melee and Brawl,and should have been in Brawl, but wasn't. Why now?

Tripple post dude.

Calm down.

Within the span of ten minutes... Are you serious?

Maybe Agitha, Ashei, and Aryll had trophies cause, y'know, WIND WAKER and TWILIGHT PRINCESS were basically 'the' Zelda games at the time? It's much easier to rip an insignificant supporting character from Twilight Princess than it is to create a brand new 3D model for someone who doesn't have anything to go off of.

And now they will rip insignificant characters from Skyward Sword and Spirit Tracks. Like Cawlin and Anouki. There's also OoT3d, we got Saria. Maybe some Phantom Hourglass, A Link Between Worlds, Hyrule Warriors, and Zelda U, maybe. And we still haven't seen 3d Vaati, right?

And now they will rip insignificant characters from Skyward Sword and Spirit Tracks. Like Cawlin and Anouki. There's also OoT3d, we got Saria. Maybe some Phantom Hourglass, A Link Between Worlds, Hyrule Warriors, and Zelda U, maybe. And we still haven't seen 3d Vaati, right?

AND we have Wind Waker and Twilight Princess designs again! So there will probably be other stuff from those games too, like trophies, assists, and a stage. Also, probably MM remake coming up. MM Skull Kid already got represented. Probably WWHD trophies. There's too many Zelda games to represent to go back to 2004 and search for playable characters that haven't been considered before.

 

[Manny Toons]

Is it that hard... to edit a post?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Within the span of ten minutes... Are you serious?

Dead serious.

The span of time doesn't matter. It's still a form of spam.

 

[andimidna]

2 Pics of the day. Both are kind of... meh. Nothing new announced.

Is it that hard... to edit a post?

Is this to me?

 

[LoneKonWolf]

whoa whats the deal with andimidna, who's double, triple, and quadruple posting so much. . .
you need to lay off a bit mate

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Is this to me?

Yeah it was.

Just edit posts dude.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Lol this thread always gets crazier and crazier.

 

[AEMehr]

Maybe Nintendo Direct announcement Monday?? I would actually find that hilarious because of how my last day of my first semester was the same as the Last Month's ND and my first day of second semester would also have one.

...come to think of it, my the day of my Graduation was the same as the official announcement of Smash For.
It's the only reason I remember the date, pretty cool coincidences!

 

[shrooby]

You all saw this coming
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Believe it or not. Samurai Goroh is one of the more likely characters. His reasons to be in are greater in number and more powerful

Starting with the reasons why F-Zero will most likely get another character.

1. F-Zero is one of the most highly regarded Nintendo franchises and deserves it just as much and even more than some franchises that got more characters.
   
2. One of the original 10 franchise in the first Smash game
3. It hasn't gotten a chance to be further represented for 3 installments due to so many more essential characters from other franchises. This is now the 4th installment. Also all those shoe-in newcomers are out of the way (EX: Wario, Diddy, King Dedede, Pokemon Trainer, 2nd Metroid)
4. With all the franchises having their partner or rival and even EarthBound getting a second character and Star Fox getting a third, F-Zero is underrepped and not having it's second major character like Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Star Fox did is absurd.
5. New Smash installments tend to add new characters to franchises that have not gotten any since their first debut. The only two ones left with any viable characters are Kid Icarus and F-Zero. Both of which have a very deserving character I might add.
   
6. F-Zero has a wide variety of unique characters

Here's the only 2 reasons I can possibly think of as to why people personally think it shouldn't

1. F-Zero has not had a game in 11 years

Now I'm gonna stop right there because this one strikes me as ridiculous. This serves no real validation as far as I know. F-Zero has still had much retrospective support including Virtual Console releases and Nintendo Land mini game. If I recall correclty the 3DS Ambassador program featured F-Zero. Not Golden Sun or any of that.

Now putting aside these recent tributes to F-Zero. Why does not having a newly made title recently matter when you're F-ZERO!? Again, this is one of the most remembered and highly regarded Nintendo franchises and is also highly regarded in Super Smash Brothers. The game which I propose will represent it with another character. Apparently we think that because there hasn't been a new title that Sakurai is going to throw F-Zero representation away in a garbage can like it never meant **** to him or any of us. The main objective of Smash is a crossover fighting game between Nintendo's biggest franchises in history. Not Nintendo's most recently supported franchise in the past 3-4 years. No where is F-Zero better paid tribute than Smash. We might as well stop speculating Assist Trophies, Stages, and Music for the game. Because Sakurai has decided he doesn't care about F-Zero as much as he used to. I mean hell I remember when I stopped caring about Banjo-Kazooie because Microsoft killed them 10 years ago...oh, wait no I didn't.

Here's an argument I think rather destroys the "F-Zero is too old" argument. Kid Icarus was a game from 1986 and had no more than a gameboy sequel. Sakurai took this old and unimportant franchise and made a WHOLE GAME OUT OF IT. He even postponed the beginning of Smash 4 development until he was done.

A game not getting a new installment doesn't mean the company has fogotten about it (in fact we were told they just couldn't think of anything innovative.) because they still pay tribute to it and re release it's games. So to think that Masahiro Sakurai, someone who's job is to represent the best of Nintendo history properly in a crossover game regardless of how old it is, would just brush aside only a second character to a franchise that hasn't gotten one since the first installment after TONS of a characters (arguably enough) were added to others because it hasn't had an official newly release retail game in a while.....that's just crazy.

Sakurai has not forgotten about F-Zero and neither has Nintendo. If Masahiro Sakurai actually gives a single **** that F-Zero hasn't had a game in a while then I'll give you each 1,00,000,000$ and leave this site forever.

That was...so beautiful.
I've always supported Goroh (though silently). I think he's definitely a worthy edition.
It's nice to see people finally putting him in the spotlight!
As Anna would say:
"Keep this up and someday I may love you more than money!"
Oh, whoops, I mentioned Fire Emblem again.

 

[andimidna]

Yeah it was.

Just edit posts dude.

I find it funny that you told me this 10 minutes after I edited a post. The Oracle of Seasons one, I accidentally put Ages. Not sure what's so crazy about replying to different comments separately instead of all at the same time, but apparently, here, that's unheard of.

 

[Pacack]

I find it funny that you told me this 10 minutes after I edited a post. The Oracle of Seasons one, I accidentally put Ages. Not sure what's so crazy about replying to different comments separately instead of all at the same time, but apparently, here, that's unheard of.

No, it's not that it's unheard of. It's that it's against the rules. You're asking to get an infraction or two.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I find it funny that you told me this 10 minutes after I edited a post. The Oracle of Seasons one, I accidentally put Ages.

...

Not the point I was trying to make and you know it...

Not sure what's so crazy about replying to different comments separately instead of all at the same time, but apparently, here, that's unheard of.

It's bad netiqutte.

 

[N3ON]

@ andimidna
It's common on many forums that multiple posts in a row is frowned upon and, although nothing major or super serious, against the site rules. This forum is no exception to that. Next time if you have multiple replies to make, please make them in one post (which you can edit), or wait until someone else has posted before posting again. Thanks.

Maybe Nintendo Direct announcement Monday?? I would actually find that hilarious because of how my last day of my first semester was the same as the Last Month's ND and my first day of second semester would also have one.

Well, whatever the case may be we probably will get some kind of Direct this month. I just hope people don't automatically expect it to be on par with last January's direct.

 

[Deleted member]

First time I've made a roster, tell me what you think of it and if I should cut/bring back someone.

Newcomers:

 

[Pacack]

First time I've made a roster, tell me what you think of it and if I should cut/bring back someone.

Newcomers:

Props for K. Rool, Tingle, Ridley, Palutena, Mewtwo, Chibi Robo, Mii, Little Mac, and Takamaru.

I approve of Chibi and Tingle especially. Not the most common of predictions...but Sakurai likes that, so I expect a few of those.

But I'm not a fan of Krystal. Star Fox getting four characters is a big stretch.

I also don't think it's likely that we're getting both Isaac and Shulk. Maybe one, but I don't think both's a good idea.

I don't like Ike being cut. If you have to cut anyone from your roster for him, cut Falco or Wolf.

I would have included the following as well:

Pac-Man
Historical character (like G&W and ROB)
Fire Emblem newcomer that's not Chrom (Robin is my personal pick. Debatable, though.)
Dixie (I'll let this one slide, though. She might lose out due to lack of uniqueness.)


Overall, a pretty nice roster. Points added for original picks like Tingle and Chibi Robo (especially Chibi Robo, since I love him) and for the big characters of K. Rool, Ridley, Palutena, Mewtwo, Little Mac, and Takamaru. Points taken for Krystal, Isaac and Shulk, Ike being cut, and lack of Pac-Man and a history character. Snake's not my favorite thing, but I understand it and I tend to cut him too. And Chrom's understandable, but incredibly weak in the area of uniqueness when compared to Robin.

7.5/10 Roster

Extremely good for your first. I look forward to seeing your future rosters.

 

[N3ON]

Overall, a pretty nice roster. Points added for original picks like Tingle and Chibi Robo (especially Chibi Robo, since I love him) and for the big characters of K. Rool, Ridley, Palutena, Mewtwo, Little Mac, and Takamaru. Points taken for Krystal, Isaac and Shulk, Ike being cut, and lack of Pac-Man and a history character. Snake's not my favorite thing, but I understand it and I tend to cut him too. And Chrom's understandable, but incredibly weak in the area of uniqueness when compared to Robin.

Giving points for Chibi-Robo and taking points for Shulk and Isaac is a bit subjective. As is taking points for not having Pac-Man. He's got a good chance, but not a chance so good that rosters should be penalized for his absence. As far as a historical character goes, for all we know G&W and ROB could've been added as hardware representatives instead, which he has in the Mii.

I'd agree with the lack of Ike (and Snake too imo) being a point against the roster, and Krystal is questionable, but I wouldn't fault him for the rest.

 

[Pacack]

Giving points for Chibi-Robo and taking points for Shulk and Isaac is a bit subjective. As is taking points for not having Pac-Man. He's got a good chance, but not a chance so good that rosters should be penalized for his absence. As far as a historical character goes, for all we know G&W and ROB could've been added as hardware representatives instead, which he has in the Mii.

I'd agree with the lack of Ike (and Snake too imo) being a point against the roster, and Krystal is questionable, but I wouldn't fault him for the rest.

You're right. I'm probably being a bit biased there. (But, honestly, I wasn't really being literal with the points. Just saying what I did and didn't like and giving a score.)

I accept the fact that I am biased for Pac-Man. Hard not to be. But the lack of both Pac-Man and Snake just doesn't sit right with me.

Well, the thing about that is that the main trait of those characters is not their hardware roots. It's their historical importance. Mr. Game and Watch is because the Game and Watch systems were Nintendo's first real success. Ultra Hand was one thing at 1 million sales, but Game and Watch? 43.4 million. R.O.B.'s importance stems from him literally saving the video gaming market in the West, which I'm sure most everyone here knows. That's more integral to their characters than the fact that they had hardware roots. Trying to link them with that honestly seems like a stretch to me. R.O.B.? Sure. He's the definition of hardware. Mr. Game and Watch, though? What makes him so much of a hardware character? It just feels like a huge stretch if you ask me.

But, yeah, I'll boost his score to 8/10. Shouldn't have penalized so much for Shulk and Isaac.