Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[JamesDNaux]

You could argue the same about everything.

"Yoshi has the perfect number of reps because..."
"Kirby has the perfect number of reps because..."
"Zelda has the perfect number of reps because..."

Hell, Mario was fine but we got Rosalina anyway because she brought something unique to the table. She's not very important and she's a newer face to the franchise, in that way, the similarities to Krystal really ring. Sure it's Mario and Star Fox, but that doesn't mean Sakurai won't add Krystal, we have to wait and see.

 

[UltimateWario]

You could argue the same about everything.

No, you really couldn't, without removing the basis of my argument.

AND OH LOOK YOU DID.

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of characters that I want but find it very unlikely to happen, my pick is Klonoa. Sure he hasn't had a main game sequel since 2001 but he'd be my Namco rep.

 

[Frostwraith]

You could argue the same about everything.

"Yoshi has the perfect number of reps because..."
"Kirby has the perfect number of reps because..."
"Zelda has the perfect number of reps because..."

Hell, Mario was fine but we got Rosalina anyway because she brought something unique to the table. She's not very important and she's a newer face to the franchise, in that way, the similarities to Krystal really ring. Sure it's Mario and Star Fox, but that doesn't mean Sakurai won't add Krystal, we have to wait and see.

Well, I know that. (And I admit I am biased against Krystal.)

I believe everything Krystal can do, Palutena can do better. This is, of course, my personal opinion.

 

[Shorts]

 

[Reznor]

You could argue the same about everything.

"Yoshi has the perfect number of reps because..."
"Kirby has the perfect number of reps because..."
"Zelda has the perfect number of reps because..."

Hell, Mario was fine but we got Rosalina anyway because she brought something unique to the table. She's not very important and she's a newer face to the franchise, in that way, the similarities to Krystal really ring. Sure it's Mario and Star Fox, but that doesn't mean Sakurai won't add Krystal, we have to wait and see.

Yoshi games are still being made
Kirby games are still being made
Zelda games are still being made

3 characters for a dead franchise is a lot stop being greedy
feel bad for the F-Zero fans they only get 1 character

 

[BluePikmin11]

ITT: List six of your favorite Newcomers and how likely you think they are to be included.

Spoiler

1. Prince Sable: 15% Would be a decently unique addition. With the ability to quickly transform into a frog and snake. His game is legendary IMO and should be given more attention with his inclusion in Smash.

2. Anna: 20% A very charming and unique addition. Her trickster abilities with her staff and her Levin Sword would give her quick and nimble gameplay. Honestly one of the better Fire Emblem newcomers than Robin or Chrom.

3. Palutena: 90% Would bring something new, but not everyone can see her uniqueness (For some odd reason), she as a goddess would bring upon her light powers to blind and kill opponents. I feel she's almost a guarentee addition.

4. Tom Nook: 15% Would bring something new, and no he would not be a Villager clone (I have no idea why people think that). He would inherit Tanooki Mario's powers and rely on furniture and merchant related things to fool and knock-out the opponent.

5. Dr. Kawashima: 50% Would be the most unique addition in Smash Bros. in a long time. Using attacks relating to the subject school while tormenting people with his Brain Test with a completely new body structure not seen in Smash Brothers. If he's ever in the game, his moveset is going to be very original.

6. Zoroark: 35% The most unique Pokemon addition that could be added in the roster. I feel if uniqueness is such a large factor, Zoroark is going to get in, with the ability to fool people with his illusionated attacks and the ability to clone himself. He would basically be the Naruto of the Smash cast.

 

[Shorts]

Let people have their own opinions, there's no reason to argue with people who clearly won't change their stance.

This goes both ways.

 

[Vez]

4 characters for a series with only 5 games is pretty absurd. Then again Mother has 2 characters when there's only 3 games, so who knows.

 

[Reznor]

Let people have their own opinions, there's no reason to argue with people who clearly won't change their stance.

so that means everyone

 

[Shorts]

4 characters for a series with only 5 games is pretty absurd. Then again Mother has 2 characters when there's only 3 games, so who knows.

Why is that absurd? In what universe is there a smash congress losing their **** over these ideas?

I want to move on from Krystal, to this. Why? Why do you think this way?

 

[Reznor]

Why is that absurd? In what universe is there a smash congress losing their **** over these ideas?

it's absurd because Starfox gets 4 reps while F-Zero gets 1 and Earthbound gets 2
if Earthbound and F-Zero go tat least 1 more rep each then I think people would be cool with it

even Fire Emblem probably won't get 4 reps why should Starfox get more reps than Fire Emblem

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I know this is off-topic, but I was doing some thinking about having Professor Layton in Smash.
Should he really be qualified as a 3rd Party character?
No, he should not.
From what I am aware, Professor Layton second party Nintendo series.
In case you don't know, a second party developer is one that is not directly a part of the main company, but makes games exclusively for them.

The Layton series is a DS exclusive series made specifically for Nintendo by another company.
He is kind of a Nintendo character, and should be counted as one in Smash.

The reason the 3 third parties already in Smash are counted as so is because they are not Nintendo exclusive at all. All of them have appeared on many different consoles at many different times by third-party developers (developers that make games for all consoles).

So basically, I feel that Layton should not be called a third party, which would greatly increase his chances, as he is the best selling DS exclusive series.

 

[Shorts]

You just repeated yourself, you didn't answer the question.

 

[Frostwraith]

My top wanted newcomers:
- Ridley - Freaking awesome badass space pirate dragon and a major villain. I like villains. I also want another Metroid character that isn't Samus. Ridley fits the bills. I do admit some people overrate his chances... After 3 games with no playable Ridley, I don't seriously expect him. My chance for him? 10%.
- Dark Pit - One of my favorite Kid Icarus characters alongside Hades. The only chance he stands is as an alt. for Pit. 0.1% chance to be a separate character.
- Mewtwo - My favorite character in Melee, enough said. He's the likeliest of my wanted characters: I'd give him a 50% chance.
- Robin/Avatar - Sword + Magic = One of my favorite character archetypes: the Magic Knight and the Avatar from Fire Emblem: Awakening fits it perfectly. I'd give him a 15% chance, which is higher than Chrom, by the way.
- Takamaru - So much potential and I like medieval Asian characters, so there. I think he has a 40% chance of appearing. We'll see...

Expecting more than 50% chances? Nope, I'm not following the same mistake I made during pre-Brawl. My expectations are low this time.

 

[JamesDNaux]

No, you really couldn't, without removing the basis of my argument.

AND OH LOOK YOU DID.

Star Fox has enough characters because of it's size? Mother has three games and two characters, Sakurai obviously doesn't care about how many games are in the franchise. Popularity? DK is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises and it took until Brawl before we got Diddy. There isn't a reason a franchise shouldn't get another character other than made up rules that come from fans, not Sakurai.

Well, I know that. (And I admit I am biased against Krystal.)

I believe everything Krystal can do, Palutena can do better. This is, of course, my personal opinion.

Your bias is probably clouding your judgement, how exactly would you think Krystal and Palutena would play similar at all?

Yoshi games are still being made
Kirby games are still being made
Zelda games are still being made

3 characters for a dead franchise is a lot stop being greedy
feel bad for the F-Zero fans they only get 1 character

Calling a franchise dead when it just got a game a few years ago (even if a remake) and it still has the possibility of getting a new game. I don't recall Nintendo ever officially stating that the franchise "died." I guess Metroid must be dead too since there hasn't been any official word of a new game coming soon. Again, it all comes down to what Sakurai wants to do.

 

[Frostwraith]

Your bias is probably clouding your judgement, how exactly would you think Krystal and Palutena would play similar at all?

Staff, magic. Pew, pew, pew! Spells flying everywhere.

Both are female characters wielding staffs. I don't want similar characters for the newcomers. I like diversity. The four newcomers revealed so far have diversity.

I also like seeing characters from different franchises. So, Kid Icarus having 2 characters is more reasonable for me than Star Fox with 4.

 

[AncientTobacco]

I know this is off-topic, but I was doing some thinking about having Professor Layton in Smash.
Should he really be qualified as a 3rd Party character?
No, he should not.
From what I am aware, Professor Layton second party Nintendo series.
In case you don't know, a second party developer is one that is not directly a part of the main company, but makes games exclusively for them.

The Layton series is a DS exclusive series made specifically for Nintendo by another company.
He is kind of a Nintendo character, and should be counted as one in Smash.

The reason the 3 third parties already in Smash are counted as so is because they are not Nintendo exclusive at all. All of them have appeared on many different consoles at many different times by third-party developers (developers that make games for all consoles).

So basically, I feel that Layton should not be called a third party, which would greatly increase his chances, as he is the best selling DS exclusive series.

The reason third parties are counted as such is because they are owned by another company that's not a part of Nintendo. Like Layton.

 

[Knight Dude]

Does Mother really need anymore characters? I'm not particularly against the notion. But I feel that a few other series do warrant characters a little more. Namely Metroid and Donkey Kong. Hell, I would even say F-Zero should get at least their second character before Mother gets it's third.

I know this is off-topic, but I was doing some thinking about having Professor Layton in Smash.
Should he really be qualified as a 3rd Party character?
No, he should not.
From what I am aware, Professor Layton second party Nintendo series.
In case you don't know, a second party developer is one that is not directly a part of the main company, but makes games exclusively for them.

The Layton series is a DS exclusive series made specifically for Nintendo by another company.
He is kind of a Nintendo character, and should be counted as one in Smash.

The reason the 3 third parties already in Smash are counted as so is because they are not Nintendo exclusive at all. All of them have appeared on many different consoles at many different times by third-party developers (developers that make games for all consoles).

So basically, I feel that Layton should not be called a third party, which would greatly increase his chances, as he is the best selling DS exclusive series.

If the series isn't directly made/owned or partially made and owned by Nintendo, it's third party. They are counted as third parties because Nintendo doesn't own them. Layton is no different. It's like saying if Smash was made for the SNES and they added Mega Man. But you chose to call him a Nintendo character, rather than a Capcom one, just because his games were Nintendo exclusive.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

The reason third parties are counted as such is because they are owned by another company that's not a part of Nintendo. Like Layton.

Game Freak is a second party developer.
So legally, Nintendo owns Pokémon as much as they do Layton

 

[Reznor]

You just repeated yourself, you didn't answer the question.

in this universe there is a smash congress losing their **** over ideas
also we are all repeating ourselves just saying

Calling a franchise dead when it just got a game a few years ago (even if a remake) and it still has the possibility of getting a new game. I don't recall Nintendo ever officially stating that the franchise "died." I guess Metroid must be dead too since there hasn't been any official word of a new game coming soon. Again, it all comes down to what Sakurai wants to do.

a remake is not a brand new game it's a remake that is why it is called a remake
the last new Starfox game came out in 2006 and nitnendo did say they have no plans to make a new Starfox games anytime soon (they said the same thing about F-Zero and we haven't gotten one in 10 years)
the last Metroid game came out in 2010 and retro has stated interest in making more

Again, it all comes down to what Sakurai wants to do.

then whats the point of this thread or any character thread Sakurai is going to do what he wants so we shouldn't even talk about characters unless they are officially released
what kind of logic is that

 

[Shorts]

I'm hosting a fun "If we were developing Smash" game in the BR, come play.

 

[Deleted member]

Game Freak is a second party developer.
So legally, Nintendo owns Pokémon as much as they do Layton

Didn't some of his games appear on Android, iOS? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm hosting a fun "If we were developing Smash" game in the BR, come play.

 

[Knight Dude]

Game Freak is a second party developer.
So legally, Nintendo owns Pokémon as much as they do Layton

No they don't. Unless if the company that makes Layton's games are partially owed by Nintendo. GameFreak is as such. If I'm not mistaken, Layton's creators have made a game or two on other systems and junk.

 

[Shorts]

You're not allowed to like characters without a **** storm happening.

Stay classy Smashboards.

 

[Baskerville]

Staff, magic. Pew, pew, pew! Spells flying everywhere.

Both are female characters wielding staffs. I don't want similar characters for the newcomers. I like diversity. The four newcomers revealed so far have diversity.

I also like seeing characters from different franchises. So, Kid Icarus having 2 characters is more reasonable for me than Star Fox with 4.

Palutena & Krystal have enough source material to help them stand out from one another. That and saying the are going to be similar just because they are female staff users is a pretty flimsy excuse, considering how many sword users we have had throughout Smash and all of them (except TL & Roy) are radically different.

 

[Knight Dude]

You're not allowed to like characters without a **** storm happening.

Stay classy Smashboards.

Things like that tend to happen a lot on the internet.

Palutena & Krystal have enough source material to help them stand out from one another. That and saying the are going to be similar just because they are female staff users is a pretty flimsy excuse, considering how many sword users we have had throughout Smash and all of them (except TL & Roy) are radically different.

This guy knows his ****. Listen to him. I'm not even a fan of Krystal, but I wouldn't say she would just be a Palutena knock-off.

 

[Frostwraith]

You're not allowed to like characters without a **** storm happening.

Stay classy Smashboards.

You say it like it's new.

Fire Emblem discussions, everyone? Impa and Sheik discussions, everyone?

 

[Mega Bidoof]

No they don't. Unless if the company that makes Layton's games are partially owed by Nintendo. GameFreak is as such. If I'm not mistaken, Layton's creators have made a game or two on other systems and such.

Meh, whatever.
Game Freak and Level 5 are both Second Party developers for Nintendo.
I am just saying I wouldn't be suprised if Layton is classified as a Nintendo character in Smash 4.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

then whats the point of this thread or any character thread Sakurai is going to do what he wants so we shouldn't even talk about characters unless they are officially released
what kind of logic is that

There ya go, there is no point.

But you guys do this for funs so..... yeah. Last time I said something bad about this i got butchered, not gonna that do again lol.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Game Freak is a second party developer.
So legally, Nintendo owns Pokémon as much as they do Layton

The difference is Nintendo atcually owns 66% of the Pokemon IP (33% Nintendo, 33% Pokemon Company (Owned by Nintendo) 33% GF) Nintendo owns 0% of Layton

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

While Krystal can be a touchy subject, I for one am against her inclusion barring we get a sufficient amount of popular characters. This pool (at least for me) includes Ridley, Mewtwo, Palutena, K.Rool, my favorite in Shulk, etc...

If we're going by series balance, then Star Fox as a series should not get a character in my opinion. This is the same reasoning I give F-Zero crap as well as Mother. None of those series got any sort of new content during the Wii generation. Star Fox has Command and then a remake of a game that Krystal didn't even appear in.

Mario makes sense to have 5. Zelda makes sense to have 5. Pokémon makes sense to have the characters they have... I thought 3 Star Fox characters was even pushing it, not even talking about 4.

If I'm being honest I would be far more interested in seeing Palutena getting in as a staff user. She's from a series with less representation. This is simply if we're comparing the potential movesets between Palutena and Krystal. I haven't played Adventures to know exactly what it does.

My beef with Krystal is that she has hardly had enough time to create a presence for herself between Brawl and now. Brawl would have been the prime time to add her because that is when she was in her prime. Similar to a sport, in which a team would trade a player who is reaching the peak of his skill to better themselves as a whole.

In my opinion, there are several other characters who would make a lot more sense to add than her. Star Fox is a franchise that I wouldn't call dead necessarily, but maybe...unimportant as of late. However, this doesn't really matter. It's up to Krystal herself to draw Sakurai's eye.

She used the staff in one game, and yes maybe she has psychic powers. But the rest of her appearances have her doing exactly what the rest of the crew does. Piloting a ship, and shooting things. So if Sakurai gave her a moveset entirely consisting of the staff, that would not be an entirely accurate description of her overall appearances as a character.

I'm not saying he has to be specific down to the last detail, but he looks for source material where he can find it, and overall, besides one game, she isn't all that different from the rest of them.

Also this whole notion of "reps" doesn't exist. Quit using that word.

 

[Knight Dude]

Meh, whatever.
Game Freak and Level 5 are both Second Party developers for Nintendo.
I am just saying I wouldn't be suprised if Layton is classified as a Nintendo character in Smash 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level-5 These dudes made quite a few Play Station games. They aren't partly owned by Nintendo. Thus this means they are their own company. No one in particular owns any major shares. I'm not saying Layton is impossible. Just that he isn't 2nd party.

 

[Reznor]

There ya go, there is no point.

But you guys do this for funs so..... yeah. Last time I said something bad about this i got butchered, not gonna that again lol.

wait there are people who don't do this for fun

You're not allowed to like characters without a **** storm happening.

Stay classy Smashboards.

dude that's like every website ever
to be fair I have a lot of biased against Krystal and it's not even about Krystal i'm just taking my anger out on her because she reminds me of Killer Frost

 

[JamesDNaux]

Staff, magic. Pew, pew, pew! Spells flying everywhere.

Both are female characters wielding staffs. I don't want similar characters for the newcomers. I like diversity. The four newcomers revealed so far have diversity.

I also like seeing characters from different franchises. So, Kid Icarus having 2 characters is more reasonable for me than Star Fox with 4.

Gender should never be a factor, that doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever.

Krystal's staff has magic yeah, but for the most part, she'd be swinging it around. Palutena would probably be more like Zelda with heavier emphasis on magic attacks and probably only a few physical staff swipes. Krystal's staff being more akin to a bo staff while Palutena's is more like a generic regal one that you wouldn't really swing around to hit people with.

I can't argue that Kid Icarus could use a rep more, but then that's a case of "why not both?"

a remake is not a brand new game it's a remake that is why it is called a remake
the last new Starfox game came out in 2006 and nitnendo did say they have no plans to make a new Starfox games anytime soon (they said the same thing about F-Zero and we haven't gotten one in 10 years)
the last Metroid game came out in 2010 and retro has stated interest in making more

It's still a "new" game regardless, it was made and released, Nintendo got money from it, and they will make a new game when they want to. They could be making one in secret right now, we know a Zelda game is being made for the Wii U but we know next to nothing about it. They may have said that they didn't plan on making a new game then, but what's to stop them from changing their mind? F-Zero may be almost dead, but Miyamoto did say he wouldn't make a new game unless he could think of something unique to add to it, so there's even a chance for F-Zero to come back.

Game Freak is a second party developer.
So legally, Nintendo owns Pokémon as much as they do Layton

Fun fact, Game Freak made a Pokemon themed handheld for Sega while they were still in direct competition with Nintendo.
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[Shorts]

wait there are people who don't do this for fun

dude that's like every website ever

You see though, it's not. Like, really. It's not. I take my poll to a lot of sites, and none of them, bar 4chan, GameFAQs, IGN, are nearly as bad as this place. There is pleasant internet communities, so that's not an excuse.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

wait there are people who don't do this for fun


dude that's like every website ever
to be fair I have a lot of biased against Krystal and it's not even about Krystal i'm just taking my anger out on her because she reminds me of Killer Frost

Yeah hey, i'm one of those peeps, i'd rather wait then play, but ok. I just treat this as a social thread. So I just stay in the corner and watch you guys and your weird antics lol.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

Six most wanted newcomers?

Plasm Wraith: 55%- I could see it going either way, depending on if Sakurai thinks it's worthy. Extra 5% because uniqueness.
Petey Piranha: 25%- Very unlikely, due to having Rosalina plus other Mario characters that are more important.
Kamek: 50%- Depends on if Sakurai wants another Yoshi character.
Tingle: 70%- I consider him quite likely. He doesn't have much competition, but I could see Sakurai adding someone else if he doesn't want Tingle.
Genesect- 40%- It's possible if Sakurai wants a Pokémon newcomer instead of Mewtwo, or if he cuts an existing one. Pretty unlikely though.
Slime: 35%- Third party and stuff, but it could happen.

 

[Frostwraith]

You want to know why there are flame wars over trivial things like characters in a game?

Check my signature... Below the GIFs. Read that quote. You'll understand why.

(By the way, I am perfectly calm. I don't have anything against Krystal or her fans. I just don't want her in Smash as playable, but I'm not gonna be butthurt if she makes in. I'm just stating my opinion very bluntly.)

 

[Reznor]

It's still a "new" game regardless, it was made and released, Nintendo got money from it, and they will make a new game when they want to. They could be making one in secret right now, we know a Zelda game is being made for the Wii U but we know next to nothing about it. They may have said that they didn't plan on making a new game then, but what's to stop them from changing their mind? F-Zero may be almost dead, but Miyamoto did say he wouldn't make a new game unless he could think of something unique to add to it, so there's even a chance for F-Zero to come back.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/remake?s=t

there is a chance that F-Zero will come back but it is dead until then
alive = making games still
dead = not making games

You want to know why there are flame wars over trivial things like characters in a game?

Check my signature... Below the GIFs. Read that quote. You'll understand why.

(By the way, I am perfectly calm. I don't have anything against Krystal or her fans. I just don't want her in Smash as playable, but I'm not gonna be butthurt if she makes in. I'm just stating my opinion very bluntly.)

I don't think any one is taking this too seriously hell I even stated I don't even dislike Krystal that much