Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I will admit this is very much second-hand information but I believe there is some licensing issues between Nintendo and Rare, where Rare owns K. Rool. This is a huge problem because it's unlikely Nintendo will bother with trying to buy him back; Diddy, who also was said to suffer from these problems, is a classic, well-known and well-loved side kick. K. Rool, on the other hand has a much smaller fanbase by comparison, especially outside the smash community. Especially where they have been ignoring him in recent games, it seems unlikely they'd put him in, even if they did manage to get him. I suspect he will be relegated to the past, much like Donkey Kong Junior.

Nintendo owns the rights to all DK characters. If they didn't own the rights to K. Rool he wouldn't have been in a bunch of Nintendo games after Rare's buyout, including a trophy in Brawl, as well as his most recent appearance, Mario Sluggers.

 

[The Nerd]

How the **** did he get in Mario Super Slugger for the wii... -___-

Rare has nothing to do with the Kremlings. K. Rool has been in a fair share of Donkey Kong games after Rare was bought by Microsoft, Super Mario Sluggers included. K. Rool is 100% owned by Nintendo, otherwise he wouldn't even have a trophy in Brawl.

A lack of relevancy is literally the only downside of K. Rool.

Nintendo owns the rights to all DK characters. If they didn't own the rights to K. Rool he wouldn't have been in a bunch of Nintendo games after Rare's buyout, including a trophy in Brawl, as well as his most recent appearance, Mario Sluggers.

I stand corrected again! I confess, I don't keep much tabs on DK as a series, so my information on it is sparse. Sorry xD

 

[Deleted member]

If we get any Smash original character, it should be the being that uses Master Hand and Crazy Hand as their link to the World of Trophies.
I'll explain what I mean tomorrow, since I won't have computer access until then.

Now, this is going to be a long read, so be warned.

We know Master Hand as the leader of the World of Trophies, but he (and Crazy Hand) serves as the "link" between that world and "the real world" (Melee)/"the world beyond" (Brawl).
He's also said to have an unknown meaning to his existence while having powers that border on "absolute" that he keeps hidden.
Furthermore, he is said to be the manifestation of creative spirit while Crazy Hand is the manifestation of destructive spirit. (Essentially Creation vs. Destruction)

YET, the two Hands work together rather than enter a never-ending struggle amongst themselves due to being opposite forces of nature. Even more odd is that Crazy Hand is said to be an alter ego of Master Hand, which is theoretically impossible since both Hands are able to co-exist (before someone brings up Mario/Dr. Mario, Link/Young Link/Toon Link, etc. remember that they are all Trophies of Master Hand's creation).

This leads me to believe that there is someone else pulling the strings. (inb4tabuu) One that exists within the "world beyond" that has created the World of Trophies and uses Master Hand and Crazy Hand as how he interacts with that world. How they can be alter egos that represent opposing forces yet work side-by-side is that they are ethereal manifestations of this higher being's own nature. Master Hand reflects his creative and (for the lack of a better word) "godlike" nature; watching over said creations and influencing his world. Crazy Hand reflects his inner sadistic side that likes to see destruction fall upon his creations for amusement.

We know very little of this supposed being (who I will henceforth refer to as "The Master"). Aside from the proposed personality above, we know he wears gloves (since the Hands are manifestations of him). We also know he has remarkable magical capability (shown through most of Crazy Hand's attacks and through Master Hand's finger bullets and lasers).
With this in mind, I have come to the conclusion that "The Master" takes on the appearance of a magician. This would be rather fitting, considering Sakurai has made many "magician" archetype villains, and even after his departure from the Kirby series (which the Hands make a guest appearance in Amazing Mirror), said series continues to have more "magician" characters made. What the true form of "The Master" looks like though, would be up to speculation. I have some ideas, but I doubt people would like them.

Anyways, such a character (who would theoretically be part of the entire series given that the Hands are a part of him) would be what I see as the "best" Smash Bros. original character option.

OH GOD!!! ANOTHER UNIQUENESS ARGUMENT!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I have no clue what the hell you are babbling on about.

You should; I brought it up just last night and you responded with a trollish statement.

 

[Richard 89]

I will admit this is very much second-hand information but I believe there is some licensing issues between Nintendo and Rare, where Rare owns K. Rool. This is a huge problem because it's unlikely Nintendo will bother with trying to buy him back; Diddy, who also was said to suffer from these problems, is a classic, well-known and well-loved side kick. K. Rool, on the other hand has a much smaller fanbase by comparison, especially outside the smash community. Especially where they have been ignoring him in recent games, it seems unlikely they'd put him in, even if they did manage to get him. I suspect he will be relegated to the past, much like Donkey Kong Junior.

What are you talking about, he was in Mario super sluggers, get your facts straight.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

I find Ike more relevant than the rest right now.
And the less relevant would be ROB imo, he was fun to play as, but I guess he's a character exclusively for Brawl.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

I stand corrected again! I confess, I don't keep much tabs on DK as a series, so my information on it is sparse. Sorry xD

It's cool everybody make mistake....

 

[Morbi]

I will admit this is very much second-hand information but I believe there is some licensing issues between Nintendo and Rare, where Rare owns K. Rool. This is a huge problem because it's unlikely Nintendo will bother with trying to buy him back; Diddy, who also was said to suffer from these problems, is a classic, well-known and well-loved side kick. K. Rool, on the other hand has a much smaller fanbase by comparison, especially outside the smash community. Especially where they have been ignoring him in recent games, it seems unlikely they'd put him in, even if they did manage to get him. I suspect he will be relegated to the past, much like Donkey Kong Junior.

That is incorrect, there are not any licensing issues as Nintendo has already acquired the rights for K. Rool.

Sorry, I just thought I would join in with the other 3 or 4 people that corrected you WAY too late.

 

[The Nerd]

"The Master Theory (name pending)"

This is kind of like the Raticate theory in pokemon Red/Blue: It's almost certainly not the intent of the designers, and will almost certainly never be acknowledged as canon, but it's a fun idea to toy with.

What are you talking about, he was in Mario super sluggers, get your facts straight.

That is incorrect, there are not any licensing issues as Nintendo has already acquired the rights for K. Rool.

Sorry, I just thought I would join in with the other 3 or 4 people that corrected you WAY too late.

I'll just show myself out then T_T

I'm not sure where I got that idea, but given how quickly people jumped on the canonical example from Sluggers, I assume it's come up before?

 

[AncientTobacco]

I can't believe that bull**** is still being spread around.

 

[Morbi]

This is kind of like the Raticate theory in pokemon Red/Blue: It's almost certainly not the intent of the designers, and will almost certainly never be acknowledged as canon, but it's a fun idea to toy with.




I'll just show myself out then T_T

I'm not sure where I got that idea, but given how quickly people jumped on the canonical example from Sluggers, I assume it's come up before?

It is a common misconception, don't worry about it. You aren't the first to make that mistake, and you certainly wont be the last. I remember just yesterday, I erroneously typed Dillon as Dillion and got my ass reamed. It is just a passionate community.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

I find Ike more relevant than the rest right now.
And the less relevant would be ROB imo, he was fun to play as, but I guess he's a character exclusively for Brawl.

R.O.B is part of Nintendo History "NES Accessory" just like Mr. Game & Watch "Nintendo First Handheld Game & Watch"

 

[Morbi]

R.O.B is part of Nintendo History (NES Accessory ) just like Mr. Game & Watch (Nintendo First Handheld Game & Watch)

It is really humorous that no one knows that aside from hardcore Smash veterans. Either way, NES accessory or not, he is no longer pertinent to a modern Nintendo community. Game and Watch... haha.... hahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha. Yeah.

 

[The Nerd]

... I erroneously typed Dillon as Dillion and got my *** reamed. It is just a passionate community.

Duly noted O_O

Do people consider him to be a serious, strong contender for a spot in the roster? I thought he might have been released too late to be added. Sakurai had the roster for brawl planned three-ish years in advance, which means this time around he'd have planned it near the end of 2011 or beginning of 2012; Dillon just barely makes that cutoff.

 

[Deleted member]

This is kind of like the Raticate theory in pokemon Red/Blue: It's almost certainly not the intent of the designers, and will almost certainly never be acknowledged as canon, but it's a fun idea to toy with.

I'm well aware that the odds of something like that happening are 0.00001%, but I wouldn't say it's comparable to the Raticate thing.
There's more support for the Raticate theory to be false than true. "The Master" theory, while not able to be proven true or false with what little we know, has in-game evidence to support it.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Hey guys, Dixie is on the cover of Barrel Blast along with Donkey and Diddy while K. Rool is not. Dixie confirmed for more important than K. Rool.

 

[Morbi]

Duly noted O_O

Do people consider him to be a serious, strong contender for a spot in the roster? I thought he might have been released too late to be added. Sakurai had the roster for brawl planned three-ish years in advance, which means this time around he'd have planned it near the end of 2011 or beginning of 2012; Dillon just barely makes that cutoff.

Most speculators believe that the roster was finalized during the Summer of 2013. So many would argue that Dillon is eligible. However, he isn't necessarily the strongest contender. Most people recognize his potential and that is about it. He has a little cult following. Personally? I think he is assist trophy material.

 

[Frostwraith]

I think there's a good chance all Pokémon veterans return, except Pichu.

Let's see:
Pokémon Trainer (AKA Red) - Main character of Pokémon Origins, where he had Charizard. Charizard is one of the two Pokémon to have two Mega Evolutions. The Kanto starters have been marketed as well for XY, being a second option starter in the game. Also, they were the only full trio of starters to get Mega Evolutions.
Lucario - Popular Pokémon and marketed for Black 2/White 2 and XY. He also got a Mega Evolution and is actually the first Pokémon you Mega Evolve in XY.
Mewtwo - The other of two Pokémon to have two Mega Evolutions and one of the Pokémon to receive tons of marketing, as well as a new movie recently.
Jigglypuff - If anything, she could get in at the last minute like what happened in Brawl. Of all Pokémon veterans, she's the one with the highest risk of not returning, if Game Freak's actions lately are anything to go by. She was the least marketed of the Pokémon featured in Smash (besides Pichu). Still, even she has things going for her: one of the first Pokémon to be announced with the Fairy-type and being present in all Smash Bros. games so far.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

It is really humorous that no one knows that aside from hardcore Smash veterans. Either way, NES accessory or not, he is no longer pertinent to a modern Nintendo community. Game and Watch... haha.... hahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha. Yeah.

Am I the only one who love playing as "R.O.B " in brawl.... -__-

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair....there is that R.O.B. Hat for Miiverse.
(inb4saturnrantsaboutdiskun)

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I highly doubt they would remove a character that represents their own series.

 

[Morbi]

Am I the only one who love playing as R.O.B in Brawl.... -__-

I can't speak for anyone aside from myself, but R.O.B was the most boring character on the roster. I truly thought he was excessively generic for a concept that has so much potential. Whenever I hit random and land on R.O.B, a part of my soul is desecrated, because I would never play as him of my own volition.

 

[Richard 89]

Am I the only one who love playing as "R.O.B " in brawl.... -__-

Maybe... Yes... Possibly true.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I ****ing hate playing as R.O.B, his moveset is extremely bland. But hell, that's just up to preferences, he's still a good character.

 

[Deleted member]

R.O.B. should at least change out the spinning move for something that reflects Stack-Up.
It seemed rather odd that he had a Gyromite attack, but not Stack-Up.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Well R.O.B. as an accessory was lame so it's only fitting for him as a playable character to be lame.

 

[Tepig2000]

RAMBI!!!!!

Now I only need Enguarde, Expresso, Winky, Squawks, Rattly, Squitter, Clapper, Glimmer, Ellie, Parry, Glower, Hoofer, Orco and Flurl to be satisfied.

 

[NickerBocker]

I can't speak for anyone aside from myself, but R.O.B was the most boring character on the roster. I truly thought he was excessively generic for a concept that has so much potential. Whenever I hit random and land on R.O.B, a part of my soul is desecrated, because I would never play as him of my own volition.

This.

Every time i get ROB as a random, I usually just start the game over. He just seems sluggish, like his controls don't feel tight and responsive (that might just be the Brawl engine, though.)

I will say this: ROB's moveset is pretty unique, but that doesn't necessarily make it good.

 

[Frostwraith]

I actually like playing as R.O.B. He's a little awkward to use, sure, but once you get used to him, you'll be just fine.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

R.O.B is still not as boring to play as G&W though imo, the only enjoyable thing G&W has is the occasional 9 Hammer, otherwise he's a basic character who's only gimmick is his lack of animations and being flat. Me and my friends have a rule that everytime someone gets that fugly light blue G&W costume from Random it's an insta-restart, no matter what.

 

[Tepig2000]

Am I the only one who love playing as "R.O.B " in brawl.... -__-

I like playing as R.O.B. just to laugh at how much I suck playing as it.

 

[Morbi]

R.O.B is still not as boring to play as G&W though imo, the only enjoyable thing G&W has is the occasional 9 Hammer, otherwise he's a basic character who's only gimmick is his lack of animations and being flat. Me and my friends have a rule that everytime someone gets that fugly light blue G&W costume from Random it's an insta-restart, no matter what.

I agree with this sentiment. Game and Watch is actually my least used character... I thought it would be R.O.B, but it isn't. It just really sucks that I can't seem to have any fun with either of those guys, I just interpret them as detriments to the roster.

 

[Nu~]

R.O.B is still not as boring to play as G&W though imo, the only enjoyable thing G&W has is the occasional 9 Hammer, otherwise he's a basic character who's only gimmick is his lack of animations and being flat. Me and my friends have a rule that everytime someone gets that fugly light blue G&W costume from Random it's an insta-restart, no matter what.

ehem? (g&w main)

 

[SchAlternate]

Am I the only one who love playing as "R.O.B " in brawl.... -__-

He's one of the characters I get the most enjoyment of in Brawl, yeah.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

ROB is my second favorie character to play

 

[MasterOfKnees]

ehem? (g&w main)

Pfh, you're most likely getting Pac-Man as a new main anyways, so now's the time to trash G&W if ever

Honestly though, it's not that I think G&W is a bad character in general, I just personally find him boring, of course he's a great character by all Smash standards. If that makes sense.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I liked playing as R.O.B. actually...

 

[Morbi]

Pfh, you're most likely getting Pac-Man as a new main anyways, so now's the time to trash G&W if ever

Honestly though, it's not that I think G&W is a bad character in general, I just personally find him boring, of course he's a great character by all Smash standards. If that makes sense.

He is a great character by Smash standards? Yeah, that notion doesn't make sense to me, I am sure that people adore his... um 2Dness.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

I like playing as R.O.B. just to laugh at how much I suck playing as it.

Everybody: I suck playing as R.O.B or R.O.B is boring....

Me: R.O.B is a beast!!!!! :O

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

R.O.B. is my second main after Olimar, and I would hate to see him go.

 

[Xhampi]

Am I the only one who love playing as "R.O.B " in brawl.... -__-

R.O.B is my main character in Brawl and I would be really disappointed if he don't come back.