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Uranium235

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I also feel like this is an option. Even if the new hero is an axe user, he/she could still use Ike's moveset exactly.
I really dont care what they do with the new fire emblem character just as long as they keep the neutral b as the special 4-5 second charge move with the most knockback in the game. Anybody agree?
 

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i feel like the only thing that really works in Chroms favor is his recentness. now maybe that's enough, but personally i dont think that's a good reason to cut Ike who is more popular. adding Chrom in addition to Ike and Marth isnt a big deal cause even as a semi-clone he can be differentiated enough from Ike easily. that's ideal imo. but thats really all i have to say on the matter. im not very passionate on the whole FE thing
 

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Main thing I see going against Chrom is that other characters are more popular.

Marth and Ike are the most popular. With Roy coming in as the most popular new (returning, but you know what I mean) guy.

If FE gets four characters then we will definitely get Chrom, but if we only get three I'm betting on Marth, Ike and Roy.
 

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Not me. I mained Ike before i switched to ProjectnM.
What i said came out a little unclear. I know most people care what happens to the fire emblem series, but i was checking to see if anybody else was in favor of keeping the netural b's that take forever to charge
 

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Here's the thing that bothers me with popularity talk.

# of people who play FE characters in smash > # of people who play FE

FE newcomers are already in an environment to lose.
 

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Here's the thing that bothers me with popularity talk.

# of people who play FE characters in smash > # of people who play FE

FE newcomers are already in an environment to lose.
Your point?
 

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The neutral bs are okay, I don't care much either way as they're not very useful to charge.
I think the neutral b's just have a special place with me because i used to play homerun contest a lot (basically where you use strong moves to smash the sandbag as far as possible). Not to mention when i started playing melee i used roy (like everyone) and when you play with new smashers neutral b is extremely good
 

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Here's the thing that bothers me with popularity talk.

# of people who play FE characters in smash > # of people who play FE

FE newcomers are already in an environment to lose.
i play FE. im just not as passionate about the series as some people. personally im in favor of Chrom cause i do think it's important to have the most recent character of the series added and its not like he's disliked. his reception is just kinda lukewarm. but i see no good reason to replace Ike for him.
 

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Your point?
First off, other factors should be considered.
Secondly, FE fans should be the ones catered to. They're the ones who have been exposed to everything the series has to offer. Its like voting without being informed versus being informed.
 

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If the FE fans had their way theyd still be using roy though. Most people would probably rather have two FE characters that stick rather than replacing one of them every new smash game (which is what will probably happen)
 

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IMO the ones PLAYING THE GAME should be the ones catered to, not just the group that plays some other game.
Find me a FE fan who hasn't played smash. But I'll rephrase for you. Cater to those who have played both.

If it weren't for the people who play these source games we wouldn't have support for some of the beloved newcomers we have today.
 

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First off, other factors should be considered.
Secondly, FE fans should be the ones catered to. They're the ones who have been exposed to everything the series has to offer. Its like voting without being informed versus being informed.
Other factors are considered.
That's why we got Marth, Roy and Ike in the first place.

Marth=First lord.
Roy=Good advertisement for series
Ike=Well....we don't really know....

And for the other point...
IMO the ones PLAYING THE GAME should be the ones catered to, not just the group that plays some other game.
While FE fans are more informed, there is no real way to tell if they will play smash. It's a better and safer idea to cater to smash fans first and foremost.

And I know several who don't like smash.
 

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If the FE fans had their way theyd still be using roy though. Most people would probably rather have two FE characters that stick rather than replacing one of them every new smash game (which is what will probably happen)
That's not true at all. Typically, Roy is not popular at all among western FE fans unless they're very fond of him in melee.
 
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# of people that play FE and give a **** about Smash Bros. < # of people that play FE and don't give a **** about Smash Bros.

So why should the latter be given more consideration?
 

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You do want to keep series fans happy, but you can't screw over the majority of the game's players while doing so. If its FE fans versus general Smash fans, then Smash fans will win.
 

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That's not true at all. Typically, Roy is not popular at all among western FE fans unless they're very fond of him in melee.
He seemed pretty popular up north. Really i dont know about the national scene but based off of my personal experience about 90% of smashers i know preferred roy over ike
 

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Popularity with Fire Emblem seems to be a minor detail actually. The only character from Fire Emblem that was included due to popularity was Marth, while Roy and Ike were picked for other reasons. Roy because his Sword of Seals made him stand out more from other possible choices at the time, and Ike due to Intelligent Systems suggesting him as a possible new Lord to use. It seems like personally picking the characters seems to be a bigger thing with Fire Emblem, which does make sense considering the series is more obscure then other titles and there is a **** ton of characters in it.

In a nutshell, personal judgement seems to be the more prominent factor over popularity.
 
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I really doubt that's true.
And I have doubts that there aren't Fire Emblem fans that don't care about Smash whatsoever.

So I reiterate; why should FE fans be given more consideration than the people that are known to give a **** about Smash just because they are FE fans?
 

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Popularity with Fire Emblem seems to be a minor detail actually. The only character from Fire Emblem that was included due to popularity was Marth, while Roy and Ike were picked for other reasons. Roy because his Sword of Seals made him stand out more from other possible choices at the time, and Ike due to Intelligent Systems suggesting him as a possible new Lord to use. It seems like personally picking the characters seems to be a bigger thing with Fire Emblem, which does make sense considering the series is more obscure then other titles and there is a **** ton of characters in it.

In a nutshell, personal judgement seems to be the more prominent factor over popularity.
Popularity will likely matter when it comes to cutting characters, though. No one wants to deal with angry fans.
 
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No duh, they exist. But they're certainly not majority.
Care to prove they aren't the majority?
If not, don't argue in favor of FE fans over Smash fans.


Since the Smash fans are the target audience, it'd be more logical to go with what they would like, and not try to cater to a fanbase of a particular series.

And since this is all about Chrom anyway, you're fighting a losing battle.
Smash fans merely expect him to come in and replace Ike because "Ike replaced Roy" (though anyone with half a brain cell knows this isn't the case) and aren't that fond of him.
FE fans put his daughter Lucina on a much higher pedestal. Same with the Avatar.

No matter what, it's a lose-lose situation on both sides. So Chrom really only pertains to those who jack off on what's newest.
 

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Care to prove they aren't the majority?
If not, don't argue in favor of FE fans over Smash fans.
Well I've seen plenty of people on these forums and others that are both FE fans and people who care about smash. But I have yet to meet one who doesn't care about smash. Evidence strongly suggests they aren't the majority. In fact, I haven't even seen proof that they exists, although I'm sure they're out there. You being the person opposing the obvious should be the one proving that they are the majority.
 

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Well duh, these are Smash forums. Everyone here cares about smash.
And if you really want proof, go to a FE forum and ask them if they care about Smash.
 
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It's not obvious just because you say so. And using these forums is a piss-poor example. It's a Smash forum. What business would people that don't care about the series have here?
And really, if you cannot prove your case, you shouldn't make it in the first place, let alone cop out and make someone try to prove theirs instead.
 

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The point is that smash fans and THEIR wants and desires will have more weight than FE fans who may or may not be interested in smash.

EDIT: And GBM, I have friends who play FE but don't really care about smash. What now?
 

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I really cant see any way of someone outside of japan finding out about FE other than from smash. Its not really popular (i know there will be exceptions) outside of japan to my understanding, and really the only way somebody in a place like America would find out about it other than from smash would be finding a FE game at gamestop and randomly picking it up
 

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It's not obvious just because you say so. And using these forums is a piss-poor example. It's a Smash forum. What business would people that don't care about the series have here?
And really, if you cannot prove your case, you shouldn't make it in the first place, let alone cop out and make someone try to prove theirs instead.
You're the one who came up and said there were more FE fans who didn't care about smash than those who do. Prove your own damn points.
 
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Which is why I said and others.

Plus I have friends who play both but I didn't feel like bringing that up. None of which do not play smash.
"Friends" is another piss-poor example.
I have friends that play Fire Emblem and other Nintendo series, but hate the Smash Bros. games.
And conversely, I also have friends that don't play many of the series with characters in Brawl, but love to play Smash.

Friends is never a good argument. You should be ashamed.
 

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Unless we poll EVERY SINGLE SMASH AND FE FAN ON EARTH!?!?!? Then neither of you can prove your points.

Now stop nitpicking.
 

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The point is that smash fans and THEIR wants and desires will have more weight than FE fans who may or may not be interested in smash.

EDIT: And GBM, I have friends who play FE but don't really care about smash. What now?
Well I guess we found that one of a few I was talking about. Congrats you just helped support that rare type of person I was talking about earlier. That hardly proves a thing.


AND again, I'm talking about people who care about FE AND SMASH.
 
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You're the one who came up and said there were more FE fans who didn't care about smash than those who do. Prove your own damn points.
You've made your points in regards FE players being the ones that should be catered to first. The burden of the proof is on you.
Getting pissy at me isn't going to change that.

So if you cannot support your point other than "mah friends" or "durr forums", it's not my fault your argument is not sound.
 

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In general, the idea of Chrom is just flat out doubtful. It seems like the only factor going for him is that Fire Emblem: Awakening is this big "all-star" game that pretty much saved the franchise, but that alone won't be a big enough justification to include such a bland edition. Even if he was included, it wouldn't be an ideal thing. If he replaces a character, there will be outcry and proclaiming him a replacement scrappy, or if he's included along the other characters, there's going to be criticism over the lack of originality.

It's this complicated mess that's making me doubt Chrom would actually become a thing.
 

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Well I guess we found that one of a few I was talking about. Congrats you just helped support that rare type of person I was talking about earlier. That hardly proves a thing.


AND again, I'm talking about people who care about FE AND SMASH.
ok but the point is those ppl dont care about or really want Chrom and those that do are in the minority. so what r u trying to prove now?
 

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"Friends" is another piss-poor example.
I have friends that play Fire Emblem and other Nintendo series, but hate the Smash Bros. games.
And conversely, I also have friends that don't play many of the series with characters in Brawl, but love to play Smash.

Friends is never a good argument. You should be ashamed.
Oh look its golden telling me I should be ashamed. Considering you've told about a quarter of the board this, I really don't feel bad.

http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showforum=26
Here are group of people who care about smash. Now wheres your "I'm an FE fan and don't care about smash" group?


And before you answer that, I'm talking about people who care about both.
 
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AND again, I'm talking about people who care about FE AND SMASH.
Then you have no case.
Your original argument is meant to be in favor of Chrom. Neither side supports your cause.
Smash fans want Roy and only begrudgingly expect Chrom due to a non-existent pattern.
FE fans like Lucina and the Avatar more than Chrom. As well as plenty of other older characters.

So really, all it is is that Chrom is "recent", which is not a good argument.
 
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