Should Metaknight be Banned? ***Take 3***

[IxxI]

here r some MK weaknesses:
his lateral movement outside of a glide is very poor (in the bottom 5), several characters can chaingrab or combo him easily (usually by a grab-release) because of his short air release, he has only four viable finishers and none of them are meteor smashes (though he can gimp recoveries to remedy this), he has no projectiles (though he can move quickly while attacking in some attacks), and his weight is low (tied for the fourth lightest). His low weight means that his jumps don't have to use much force to make him move. This gives Meta Knight a weakness not seen in many other characters. When he gets a Metal Box, his wings can't exert enough force to lift him, so if he goes off the edge of a stage he can't recover by jumping. Also, even though all four of his special moves are recovery moves they all leave him helpless

Ok, what "several characters" can chaingrab Metaknight? I can only think of Falco and Pikachu.

How can he be combo'd if he's so light, not to mention that this is BRAWL. OH! your talking about being combo'd by another Metaknight. Okay.

Grab release, okay. I can give you that one to some extent since it isn't a lot of damage to begin with.

Four viable finishers? That's actually really good considering his speed...

Projectiles. Alright. He still has the tornado, which leaves you helpless if your caught in it. It launches you straight up for uair's which lead to shuffle loops. Once your offstage you can pretty much say its a stock loss.

Weight? Force to make him move? He has more jumps, giving him more control and thus more options. If he had 2 regular sized jumps then he loses more control, if he had 5 big jumps he still loses control, what happens to his uair strings at low percents?

DANG! The metal box!? Crap. Wow. Your good. I forgot about that crazy metal box, but I think its hard for every character to recover if they have the metal box on. Not to mention the fact that tournaments don't allow items. Yes, that means metal box's.

Most recoveries leave you in helpless mode...


GTFO smashboards please.

 

[complexity1234]

problem is there is alot more brawl scrub players then pro players. (They dont fight MK as well as top players so they dont know what they are doing and are not at the top of the metagame)

So this poll is going to be heavily skewed towards Metaknight ban.

Which is a bad way to do a poll.

Statistics class.

 

[Dark.Pch]

While I am against the banned. results and other facts show that meta needs to go.

 

[oathkeeper005]

More legit debates on meta. And not get crap like the ones from Bob. Only certain metas could debate on this. Ones that are not bias on thier character, there needs to be a rule for it or else this won't get anywhere. this is the third thread about this.

See, Now Im all for Banning meta. But We have to hear everyones opinion. Otherwise why have an open discussion at all. If Someone wants to defend their character they should have every right.

 

[Afro Boy2000]

Meta has an answer for everything. Thats why he should go.

Too lazy to elaborate...

 

[1048576]

At this point I wouldn't mind a temp ban just to let other character's meta catch up. There's too much focus on MK because he's obviously the best character in the game.

 

[Synth]

I think the powerhouse dreamland character needs to go.

You hear that, Kirby? Your time has COME!

 

[BOB SAGET!]

Ok, what "several characters" can chaingrab Metaknight? I can only think of Falco and Pikachu.

How can he be combo'd if he's so light, not to mention that this is BRAWL. OH! your talking about being combo'd By another Metaknight. Okay.

Grab release, okay. I can give you that one to some extent since it isn't a lot of damage to begin with.

Four viable finishers? That's actually really good considering his speed...

Projectiles. Alright. He still has the tornado, which leaves you helpless if your caught in it. It launches you straight up for uair's which lead to shuffle loops. Once your offstage you can pretty much say its a stock loss.

Weight? Force to make him move? He has more jumps, giving him more control and thus more options. If he had 2 regular sized jumps then he loses more control, if he had 5 big jumps he still loses control, what happens to his uair strings at low percents?

DANG! The metal box!? Crap. Wow. Your good. I forgot about that crazy metal box, but I think its hard for every character to recover if they have the metal box on. Not to mention the fact that tournaments don't allow items. Yes, that means metal box's.

Most recoveries leave you in helpless mode...


GTFO smashboards please.

the metal box was just an example. your post i admit very entertaining. i LMAO when i see posts like this. tornado does not make up for lack of projectiles. if u can escape once mach tornado reaches the top. BAM! MK gets daired. marth out classes MK in aerial range anyway

 

[B!squick]

If Someone wants to defend their character they should have every right.

This is the internet, you have no rights.

 

[Sky`]

Lets face it.

with MK gone, Anxiety is greatly reduced when going to a tournament.

And it's easier for anybody to place.

So don't tell me to 'work harder' cause I have, as has everybody else. We've all been working to effectively silence MK.

It hasn't been working, clearly.

 

[Suspect]

I think the powerhouse dreamland character needs to go.

You hear that, Kirby? Your time has COME!

i wish

 

[XienZo]

the metal box was just an example. your post i admit very entertaining. i LMAO when i see posts like this. tornado does not make up for lack of projectiles. if u can escape once mach tornado reaches the top. BAM! MK gets daired. marth out classes MK in aerial range anyway

Tornado allows him to cover large horizontal stages with high priority, therefore cancelling most projectiles, making up for the lack of projectiles by having a seamless approach.

Although tornado isn't good all the time, like you mentioned, its good for punishing and laughing at projectiles.

Edit: Oh, he's banned?

 

[Synth]

More pew pew less QQ

Next.

 

[IxxI]

the metal box was just an example. your post i admit very entertaining. i LMAO when i see posts like this. tornado does not make up for lack of projectiles. if u can escape once mach tornado reaches the top. BAM! MK gets daired. marth out classes MK in aerial range anyway

MK, has fastfall. Metaknight is still small, and can crouch to avoid projectiles. He can also just grab the ledge. Marth is still not as fast as Metaknight, Metaknight can't be gimped as easily as Marth.

LMAO@ you being banned.

 

[nevershootme]

Although I support the ban in some ways (i play mk myself and hating it), there seems to be a lack of support in TO's dedicating up to 2 different weeks in a month in having a banned and not banned mk tourney.

xyro has done it, why not other TO's, i may try to pull the strings on it and do one myself, the question is, who has the balls to do so. who knows if xyro will do it bi-monthly for his HOBO series

so think about it, instead of 100% banned, just give it 50/50 banned for different tournaments out of the month.

 

[B!squick]

the metal box was just an example. your post i admit very entertaining. i LMAO when i see posts like this. tornado does not make up for lack of projectiles. if u can escape once mach tornado reaches the top. BAM! MK gets daired. marth out classes MK in aerial range anyway

Tornado rises, along with it's hitboxes, in addition to the final one with a knock up effect AND the fact that some character's have bad DAirs (points to Boozer) mean that MK really can't be DAired at all, especially when used by a smart player who can retreat it before it ends to prevent punishment.

 

[tekkie]

omg you guys i once heard that this one time someone beat metaknight threefore he shudnt be band amirite?

Meta Knight = "instant increase my skillz" button. Screw that.

 

[Ru-fi-o]

When pro players who ****ing matter start talking, perhpas TO's will listen.

the SBR doesn't have control. They're essentially trolling the community. I, for one, and going to start fighting them.

 

[Sky`]

When pro players who ****ing matter start talking, perhpas TO's will listen.

the SBR doesn't have control. They're essentially trolling the community. I, for one, and going to start fighting them.

Why would you fight us? We're only looking for the best interest of the community. We started this debate, and we're actually going somewhere with it.

 

[Dark.Pch]

See, Now Im all for Banning meta. But We have to hear everyones opinion. Otherwise why have an open discussion at all. If Someone wants to defend their character they should have every right.

There is a difference between defending your character and being bias about them.

 

[Ru-fi-o]

Why would you fight us? We're only looking for the best interest of the community. We started this debate, and we're actually going somewhere with it.

I challenge anyone to a livestream debate about the pros and cons of metaknight on the outcome of tournament results.

**** community happiness. Everyone complains all the time about something. MK is the catalyst.

50$ MM, 2v2. Must have paypal.

 

[Asdioh]

I just wanted to say "no johns" at the "but WHOBO didn't have the best players representing other characters!" argument.

This doesn't change the fact that 7 of the top 8 were at least part MK.

You could say "if the top (x character) had gone instead, results would be different!"

Well, that didn't happen, obviously. It also probably never will. @_@

This is going out on a limb, but maybe those players didn't show up because they knew they'd lose to a MK.






I haven't voted yet, but I think a ban would be more beneficial than a no ban. I'm pretty sure 99% of smashers are tired of seeing MK dittos all over the place.

 

[CRASHiC]

When pro players who ****ing matter start talking, perhpas TO's will listen.

the SBR doesn't have control. They're essentially trolling the community. I, for one, and going to start fighting them.

TOs very rarely go outside of the standards for rules that SBR sets. And Anther said baned, best player in Florida said ban, one if not the best Wario's said ban.

 

[Ru-fi-o]

TOs very rarely go outside of the standards for rules that SBR sets. And Anther said baned, best player in Florida said ban, one if not the best Wario's said ban.

Do I REALLY need to list all stages they they've kept? REALLY!?

 

[Turbo Ether]

Lets face it.

with MK gone, Anxiety is greatly reduced when going to a tournament.

And it's easier for anybody to place.

So don't tell me to 'work harder' cause I have, as has everybody else. We've all been working to effectively silence MK.

It hasn't been working, clearly.

Don't work harder, work smarter. If you're not maining a character who stands a solid chance of beating MK, like Snake, Falco, Wario or Diddy, clearly your efforts to silence MK are in vain.

 

[CRASHiC]

Name a stage that they ban that TOs include.

 

[Ru-fi-o]

Get *****.

 

[oathkeeper005]

I can see what you mean, but who is to decide what is biased. If peach was on the line Wouldnt you defend her. I know I would if Pit was. But then someone might claim We are biased because we play them. Thats why we should get everyones opinion. regardless of who they play.

 

[Excellence]

You should not allow a "no sure" option or anything other then "yes" or "no" in a poll because you ruin the results. So many people will find it easier to sit on the fence then actually think and decide.

I, personally, voted that Meta Knight should not be banned. He's a very hard match-up for my own main and many others, but is the advantage he has over everyone else really that enormous where he needs to be banned? I don't think so. The way I look at it is every character has their disadvantageous match-ups (save for Meta Knight) and Meta Knight just happens to be another on that list. As far as disadvantageous match-ups go, I don't think he has more of an advantage than people's other bad match-ups.

 

[XienZo]

Don't work harder, work smarter. If you're not maining a character who stands a solid chance of beating MK, like Snake, Falco, Wario or Diddy, clearly your efforts to silence MK are in vain.

You forgot MK.

 

[Turbo Ether]

You forgot MK.

True story.

 

[Eddie G]

Don't work harder, work smarter. If you're not maining a character who stands a solid chance of beating MK, like Snake, Falco, Wario or Diddy, clearly your efforts to silence MK are in vain.

And this is coming from a player who has clearly done this himself, and is beating/placing above top MK players in tournament play in order to have a solid backing for such a claim, right?

 

[Asdioh]

TOs very rarely go outside of the standards for rules that SBR sets. And Anther said baned, best player in Florida said ban, one if not the best Wario's said ban.

Anther's purple name is very clearly visible under the "not sure" section.

Overswarm, however, said ban, and for this I am glad.

 

[Master Raven]

I think what nevershootme said is a good idea. It'd be a good way to see how things go well without MK quite often.

 

[CRASHiC]

Anther's purple name is very clearly visible under the "not sure" section.

Overswarm, however, said ban, and for this I am glad.

He said in the thread ban if just to stop the arguments.

 

[Ru-fi-o]

And this is coming from a player who has clearly done this himself, and is beating/placing above top MK players in tournament play in order to have a solid backing for such a claim, right?

Poor ether hasn't fought a MK in the NJ/NY region in months. Last week, he went dead eve with Bum and BARELY lost to Snakeee. You know them, right? best Zamus and DK in the country?

 

[Turbo Ether]

And this is coming from a player who has clearly done this himself and is beating/placing above top MK players in tournament play in order to have a solid backing for such a claim, am I right?

The only top MK in my region is M2K. I apologize for not being able to beat/outplace him? Teh_Spamerer (2nd or 3rd best MK) also lives in my state, but he quit Brawl singles, so he doesn't really count as much anymore. Every other MK in my region is fair game.

 

[Excellence]

Maybe the SBR should decide not to include Meta Knight in the tier list with tournament directors banning him from large scale tournaments. I'd like to see what type of an effect that would have on things. A lot of characters would lose the match-up the keeps them from placing well in tournaments.

 

[Ru-fi-o]

AND ILL BE ****ING ****ED IF I SIT AND LISTEN TO MIDWEST PLAYERS TELL ME MK IS BROKEN WHEN THEIR REGION IS RUN OVER BY A POKEMON AND LITTLE ****ING MOUNTAINEERS.

eat me

 

[Anther]

Yeah, I like the matchup a lot, but as opposed to not sure, I mean "Don't care," though saying do it for the sake of breaking up the arguments means I think otherwise, lol. Why not ban him every other weekly/biweekly.