Smash Back Room Weekly Character Discussions! FINAL UPDATES: Ness + Lucas. All done!!

[adumbrodeus]

I've been to several big tournaments and at every one of them I am the only Olimar. I know there are a few players out there right now playing him but I have been keeping up with the Olimar community quite a bit and there are not very many of us.

Even given the lack of players, he's still a B ranking as of current (or an A if you use Ankoku's sources), granted he's C overall (according to betterthanbonds9 's source), but I would think that the SBR would take notice of the fact that his rankings are steadily improving.

MAYBE a distant forth, but even if you guys are very few in number you certainly seem to be placing pretty well.

Check Ankoku's rankings thread or the various match-up sources I or betterthanbonds9 posted.

 

[Doriselley]

I think it's pit, seeing as how he's alright up close, great from afar, and lacks good KO moves yet can still kill people pretty ok. So...Pit's my guess.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I think it's pit, seeing as how he's alright up close, great from afar, and lacks good KO moves yet can still kill people pretty ok. So...Pit's my guess.

Ok, firstly he can KO pretty well (f-smash), and if he couldn't KO that means that he would've been eliminated, one of the criteria there was good at KOing.


However, what does eliminate him is tournament placings, he's been placing too well.

Read the hint before making an estimate, please.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Kirby
Lucas
Ness
Pika
Peach
Olimar
Sheik
Sonic
Squirtle
TL
Zelda
Zamus

These are the characters that do well against D3 which were not mentioned yet. I believe that a character outside of these would not qualify, or if it did, there probably wouldn't be much point following the clues, because even the absolute clues (ones that in no way reflect opinion) would be variable.
With the other hints, it seems likely that the character will be one of these:


Lucas
Pika
Peach
Olimar
TL
Zelda/shiek
Zamus

If you can limit it further, please do.

 

[Inferno_blaze]

on second thought, it's almost definately Pit, everyone thought he was great, he has decent KO ability AND he's got good range. I didn't think he'd been doing amazingly at tourneys. Has he been? If so then I'd reckon Lucas.

 

[adumbrodeus]

on second thought, it's almost definately Pit, everyone thought he was great, he has decent KO ability AND he's got good range. I didn't think he'd been doing amazingly at tourneys. Has he been? If so then I'd reckon Lucas.

Not amazing, but respectable, we have a rankings thread, check it out.

 

[FEJunkie]

Lucas
Pika
Peach
Olimar
TL
Zelda/shiek
Zamus

If you can limit it further, please do.

You can get rid of Pikachu(hes been doing well at tourneys) and Olimar(again has been doing well at tourneys). Peach and Zamus might not be a good fit for the hint but they can still be a possibility(albeit a small one).

on second thought, it's almost definately Pit, everyone thought he was great, he has decent KO ability AND he's got good range. I didn't think he'd been doing amazingly at tourneys. Has he been? If so then I'd reckon Lucas.

Pit is doing rather well at tourneys and you his KO ability can be argued(it fits the hint though).

 

[gallax]

i think that this hint defines lucas. period.

aren't we supposed to be talking about DDD too?

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Here's the secret: the SBR makes the clues so vague, that they could fit a multitude of people. so when everyone suggests one person (in this case, TL) they suddenly switch it to some other person who fits, that no one guessed. (like maybe, Pikachu, or Zelda).

lol thats probably why everytime we guess a character (or at least half of them) the answers are almost completely different characters!

Definitely Sheik, Samus, or Yoshi. NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, NONE.

I agree with these characters, they can definitely be correct, given past surprise answers. But not so much Sheik, I don't think there was any potential. It could be Samus, at the beginning, people were saying that she hadn't changed much. But I think the most likely of these is Yoshi! Cus he has had potential.

 

[Shark Week]

i'm calling 11 as toon link

 

[rathy Aro]

Strong at close range with a great long range game and a surprisingly decent ability to KO, this character has had a lot of potential since Brawl was first released. But what happened? It seems like this character hasn't been holding up in tournaments, with a few exceptions, despite having only very few faults. Perhaps its because much of this character's strong points are situational, and very match-up dependent. This character has a few strong match-ups (watch out DeDeDe), but has to work hard to keep up with some other characters.

S: Snake
A: Meta Knight, Falco, King Dedede, ROB, Olimar
B: Wario, Lucario, Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Pit, Donkey Kong
C: Fox, Ice Climbers, Kirby, Wolf, Ike, Samus, Diddy Kong
D: Pokémon Trainer, Zelda, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Sonic, Pikachu
E: Mario, Zero Suit Samus, Luigi, Peach, Lucas, Sheik, Bowser, Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon
U: Link, Ness, Yoshi

Already picked.

S:
A: , Olimar
B: Wario, Lucario, Marth, , Pit, Donkey Kong
C: Fox, Ice Climbers, Kirby, , Ike, Samus,
D: Pokémon Trainer, Zelda, , Toon Link, Sonic, Pikachu
E: Mario, Zero Suit Samus, Luigi, Peach, Lucas, Sheik, Bowser, Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon
U: , Ness, Yoshi

Strong @ close range

A: , Olimar
B: Wario,, Marth, , Pit, Donkey Kong
C: Fox, Ice Climbers, , , Ike, Samus,
D: Pokémon Trainer, Zelda, , Toon Link, Sonic, Pikachu
E: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Lucas,, Bowser, , Captain Falcon
U: , Ness, Yoshi

great long range game

A: , Olimar
B: , Pit,
C: Fox, Ice Climbers, , Samus,
D: Pokémon Trainer, Zelda, , Toon Link, Pikachu
E: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Lucas,
U: , Ness, Yoshi

suprisingly decent KO ability (most taken out for not being suprising)

B: , Pit,
C: Ice Climbers, Samus,
D: Pokémon Trainer , Toon Link,
E: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Lucas,
U: , Ness, Yoshi

From the rest I guess Toon Link. Pika's my second guess, but Toon Link first.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

At the request of a post on this thread, I have eliminated Pikachu and Olimar, although I am not sure they can be eliminated.

Lucas
Peach
TL
Zelda/shiek
Zamus

The origonal list at the top of this page was based entirely on characters who do well against D3 according to the official character matchup chart, and include my opinion in no way whatsoever. Anything beneath it is debatable, but the reasoning for the elimination of the characters which were later removed were decided by logic. Which of these characters are fairly situational, and were doing well at one point in tourneys but are currently not?

 

[JJR.O.B.]

based on what halloween captain said i think it is TL or Lucas

 

[adumbrodeus]

At the request of a post on this thread, I have eliminated Pikachu and Olimar, although I am not sure they can be eliminated.

Lucas
Peach
TL
Zelda/shiek
Zamus

The origonal list at the top of this page was based entirely on characters who do well against D3 according to the official character matchup chart, and include my opinion in no way whatsoever. Anything beneath it is debatable, but the reasoning for the elimination of the characters which were later removed were decided by logic. Which of these characters are fairly situational, and were doing well at one point in tourneys but are currently not?

Using Logic is good, but there are other hints....

Peach and Sheik never were considered as having a lot of potential in the early days of brawl. Instead their HIGHLY noticeable debuffs was the immediate topic of conversation. Since the hint specifies that the character had a lot of potential since Brawl was released... yeah they don't fit.

ZSS doesn't have a good long range game AT ALL. She has an excessively large melee range granted, but she has no spammable projectile and what she has isn't long ranged, and very slow in firing rate. Furthermore, she has no projectile defense (aka, a reflector or pk magnet). Her close range range is certainly strong, but she's like Marth in that she has NO long range game whatsoever.

based on what halloween captain said i think it is TL or Lucas

My logic is better, I use the entire hint.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Lucas
TL
Zelda/shiek

I think Zelda and Shiek might be paired together, as it is practical to use both of them in a single battle. These are now very questionable, but make debate easier.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Lucas
TL
Zelda/shiek

I think Zelda and Shiek might be paired together, as it is practical to use both of them in a single battle. These are now very questionable, but make debate easier.

Notice how they say "they're gonna do each character separately"? Zelda and Sheik will have their own weeks.


Really, it's not more questionable as in any less reliable, there's merely more points to debate because the eliminations are VERY categorical. Really, I'd love to see somebody argue, for example, that ZSS has a good long range game.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Notice how they say "they're gonna do each character separately"? Zelda and Sheik will have their own weeks.


Really, it's not more questionable as in any less reliable, there's merely more points to debate because the eliminations are VERY categorical. Really, I'd love to see somebody argue, for example, that ZSS has a good long range game.

I missed the each character seperately, but Zelda/Sheik are technically one character, as they can be used interchagably, much like the Pokemon Trainer but without the requirement of a swap. Also, both of Sheik and Zelda have the D3 advantage.

HOWEVER, if Shiek and Zelda are done seperately, than Pokemon Trainer should ideally be done 4 times. This is because each Pokemon is its own unique fighter, and the forth time is to go though how to use the pokemon together and prepare swaps.

 

[x After Dawn x]

But I didn't eliminate him at KOs...

He was on the list at the "looked good early and has KO potential" stage of elimination, the list of candidates was...

Again, take a look at where he got eliminated, it certainly wasn't there.

It does, until you check his tournament standings...

Hint hint x After Dawn x

Pika has been getting too much love in the tournies recently. TL is a definite possibility (as is Lucas) but as I pointed out, Zelda is more likely.

Oh sorry, I didn't know whether the descriptions applied to quotes above or under them.

 

[betterthanbonds9]

A: , Olimar
B: , Pit,
C: Fox, Ice Climbers, , Samus,
D: Pokémon Trainer, Zelda, , Toon Link, Pikachu
E: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Lucas,
U: , Ness, Yoshi

suprisingly decent KO ability (most taken out for not being suprising)

B: , Pit,
C: Ice Climbers, Samus,
D: Pokémon Trainer , Toon Link,
E: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Lucas,
U: , Ness, Yoshi

From the rest I guess Toon Link. Pika's my second guess, but Toon Link first.

didn't you just eliminate pika?

 

[DeathNote]

I really want to guess Olimar seeing as he seems to fit the criteria.

He does have very surprising KO power considering a purple pikmin uncharged usmash can KO at 70% or so

 

[comboking]

ike ike ike

 

[adumbrodeus]

Oh sorry, I didn't know whether the descriptions applied to quotes above or under them.

S'alright, assumptions tend to do that.

I really want to guess Olimar seeing as he seems to fit the criteria.

He does have very surprising KO power considering a purple pikmin uncharged usmash can KO at 70% or so

2 words: tournament standings.

 

[Clevr]

#11 = Toon Link

 

[joeysmash]

at first i thought it could be olimar, but now i think its tink because everyone was like "TiNk IS BorKWN" but there hasn't been much more after that...

 

[TehBo49]

Next week is either Olimar or Toon Link.

 

[brg]

fox maybe?

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Why not Lucas or Zelda? I personally think its Olimar, but because of Tourney standings (which I am hoping an anti-olimar actually knows) it shouldn't be him.

 

[Theftz22]

Wait... IT'S THE IC'S

 

[cutter]

So when is the update for #11 going to be posted? It has to be soon.

And I've been saying this all along since the update first went up: It's Toon Link.

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

Probably tomorrow.

 

[asob4]

it has to be toon link
olimar's have been getting at least top 8 across the US in a lot of tourney's
toon link hasn't been doing so hot

 

[betterthanbonds9]

i've been wrong every time taking the favorite (except link) so im going with my wtf character: ness

 

[FalconMonkey]

Is character #11 Zelda?

 

[juantendo8]

To me, it sounds undoubtedly like Pit, so many people were sure that he was top tier.

 

[adumbrodeus]

To me, it sounds undoubtedly like Pit, so many people were sure that he was top tier.

Tournament rankings. He does too well. Everything else fits but... no his rankings are beyond fudging.

 

[Mikezor]

It's Falco.

 

[choknater]

It's definitely Zelda.

The hint even shows that Ankoku helped create the SBR character summary that will be posted. Ankoku plays Sheik, and he knows his stuff.

It's gotta be Zelda!

(Though I don't quite understand the "watch out Dedede" part. Does Zelda do well against DDD? Lol, I'm not quite sure. TL would definitely fit that clue, but not the "surprisingly good KO potential" part. TL's KO potential is marginally good.)

 

[Blue sHell]

Now that I really think about it, it does sound alot like Zelda. But it still really could be Toon Link too. Guess we'll just have to wait.

 

[Adapt]

Well Panda, you did a good job on the hint this time. No consensus at all on what character it is...

Will the update be soon?

 

[Zero_Gamer]

Zelda beats Dedede because her Ballroom Kick is almost a guarenteed tipper.
Her Din's Fire is highly spammable and powerful.
Her Smashes and Tilts are powerful, strike behind and in front of her as well, and are instant.
I'm also going to jump on the Zelda/TL for #11 bandwagon.