Spamming/Abusing Attacks

[Crystanium]

When is spamming considered spam?

 

[Xsyven]

When it's used more than twice consecutively. But who says spamming is a bad thing?

 

[pockyD]

pretty much when you beat someone mostly using that move, and it's not a bad thing

if you want a more relevant definition, to me it would be choosing to use a specific move even when situations where it's not the best move, but this is overly theoretical and has nothing to do with the way the term is actually thrown around

 

[ShengNu]

normally people complain about spamming because they saw a certain move set executed so much that they remember it after the match has ended... spamming is annoying but there are ways around it.. too many people complain about it instead of adapting to it.. no matter how much people bash it.. it will not change the players playing style.. i suggest they get over it and compensate for their lack of adaptation

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

There's no such thing as spam.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

I would say more than 6 times in 20 seconds.

 

[Crystanium]

What's wrong with spamming, you ask? Well, have you had your opponent defeat you because he or she constantly used the same attack against you? It's one thing to use Fox's Blaster or Pit's Arrow to draw your opponent over to you. It's another thing to use it as if there weren't any other attacks to be used. It is effortless and shows no skill.

 

[Grunt]

Spam Dos Exits!
It comes in a can and is great fried with eggs.

Serious:
Well, more than twice in a row seems kind of a small window. i use most charas A combo and am automatically spamming because i hit 3 times?

 

[Crystanium]

normally people complain about spamming because they saw a certain move set executed so much that they remember it after the match has ended... spamming is annoying but there are ways around it.. too many people complain about it instead of adapting to it.. no matter how much people bash it.. it will not change the players playing style.. i suggest they get over it and compensate for their lack of adaptation

I will humbly try to adapt to it, instead of moaning and groaning about how I lost to spammers. My beef is already listed, though. It's effortless and takes no skill.

 

[Xsyven]

It takes no skill? I don't know man, I think it takes skill to actually lose to someone that uses the same thing over and over. Spam is a double edged sword. On one hand, it's handy to use a strong move a lot of times, on the other hand, it's extremely predictable.

 

[Crystanium]

Spam Dos Exits!
It comes in a can and is great fried with eggs.

Serious:
Well, more than twice in a row seems kind of a small window. i use most charas A combo and am automatically spamming because i hit 3 times?

That depends on what you're doing, I think. For example, let's say that you were Link and you threw your boomerang. It is apparent that you'll want me to come closer to you. Let's say that you're Pikachu, and all you do is Down+B (Thunder), and that's all you do throughout the entire battle.

 

[Crystanium]

It takes no skill? I don't know man, I think it takes skill to actually lose to someone that uses the same thing over and over. Spam is a double edged sword. On one hand, it's handy to use a strong move a lot of times, on the other hand, it's extremely predictable.

Nope. It takes no skill. Spam until your opponent is weak enough to be struck out with a different move. Simple. It's like using Pit, firing arrow after arrow, and then doing a f-smash.

 

[SagaKirby]

When sensible players get pissed at you when you do it too much (Stop ↑+Bing with link.)

 

[0RLY]

A move used more than 3 times in a row. Exception: MK's tornado shall not be used more than once in a row, Marth's dancing blade combo doesn't count. Falco may shdl twice, any more is spam. Jab combo doesn't count. Sheik's ftilt... not sure. Grabs don't count. blah... blah.. blah...

 

[doctortommy]

there are two ways it is considered spamming:
1. The person consistently abuses an attack uninterrupted to take advantage of someone's weakness or
2. Using an attack repeatedly even if it is not the best attack to use

 

[dr0go]

am i teh only person who spams FALCON PUNCH!!!?

 

[Ramgigon]

Spamming... Spamming is an abstract term.
There's no real definition, however, I'd say it would be more than 4 times in a row in 30 seconds, or more than 6 times in 30 seconds, or more than 5 times in a row. That's just me, though.

normally people complain about spamming because they saw a certain move set executed so much that they remember it after the match has ended...

This is truth! Snake's Dash Attack causes many spamming complaints, even if it is not used often.

P.S. Xsyven... You're title is lol.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

When you play to win,you use whatever works against you opponent to win,even if it's a Link up-B the entire match. The person who uses the same move over and over IS the one at a disadvantage not the "normal" fighter. If you cant adapt to spamming attacks then it shows where your skill is lacking. But if you can,the spammer loses his "advantage"and will be forced to use a different tactic or simply lose.

 

[CraigUK37]

Spamming is just how some people play, if they can win by using it, why not? Tournament winners arent judged on style or how many original moves they use, you have to win the matches.

There are ways around spamming, and if you can find a way around it chances are the spammer wont have any other tricks up their sleeve and the game is yours.

 

[Edds]

its looked apon as bad players. offline i dont care. online is where it annoys me. because the lag can be different everyday.

 

[LinkSpecialist]

When you play to win,you use whatever works against you opponent to win,even if it's a Link up-B the entire match. The person who uses the same move over and over IS the one at a disadvantage not the "normal" fighter. If you cant adapt to spamming attacks then it shows where your skill is lacking. But if you can,the spammer loses his "advantage"and will be forced to use a different tactic or simply lose.

soooo...this is why it was nerfed T_T

(JK)

 

[Raidein]

Definition of Spammers in my world pretaining to Brawl: A desperate azz ****.

 

[SuperRacoon]

One thing to point out about spamming, moves in Melee and Brawl are subject to diminishing returns, if an attack is used to often, it will have less knock back, and deal less damage. It also becomes predictable.
Sure SPAM can be annoying but Smash Bros. is set up in such a way that it is never good for too long.

 

[Cooper736]

Nope. It takes no skill. Spam until your opponent is weak enough to be struck out with a different move. Simple. It's like using Pit, firing arrow after arrow, and then doing a f-smash.

You sir are wrong. Spamming, by the definition of 4 moves in 10 seconds or whatever it is, takes an incredible amount of skill. Sure, if you're just hitting B with Fox fast enough to get a stream of never-ending lasers, that's not exactly an advanced tech, but to win by spamming takes a lot of time and practice.

Let's look at Toon Link. Everyone complains that Toon Link players (of which I am one) just sit and spam his neutral B, which is not necessarily false. But then do you know about the SHDA practice that goes into it, or that you use it as an approach (which may lead to an accidental boomerang, screwing your strategy), or that you can use Battlechrist's turning AT to air pivot, while still shooting the direction you were facing to set up a Bair? No? Huh, because that's spamming moves too.

In short, you're half right. Hitting the same button over and over again is not skillful. Working that button-hitting into a winning strategy is.

 

[T-nuts]

spamming is bad when you only use warlock punch all game, and win. that is too bad.

ps in smash 4 they should make ganondorf yell "GANONDORF PUNCH!" and "GANONDORF KICK!" when he does moves, and his taunt should say "SHOW ME YOUR TRIFORCE!"

 

[boom-man97]

it seems to me that people have gotten more *****y since brawl came out...
and yea spamming is annoying but not broken

 

[~^.NoiR.^~]

Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash. Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash. Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash. Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash. Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash. Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash. Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash. Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash. Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash. Arrow arrow arrow arrow down smash.

Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash. Laser laser laser laser down smash.

Spam is nothing but skill.

 

[acv]

spamming is bad when you only use warlock punch all game, and win. that is too bad.

ps in smash 4 they should make ganondorf yell "GANONDORF PUNCH!" and "GANONDORF KICK!" when he does moves, and his taunt should say "SHOW ME YOUR TRIFORCE!"

you forgot ganon's Utilt

 

[Cooper736]

*copy-and-paste user*

See, that requires no skill at all. But will you win a game with it? No, because it takes even less skill to avoid.

And if you're getting beaten by that, then you should worry about your own skill level before whining about others'.

 

[Ørion]

I don't get why people always complain about spamming (at least, if it is on a neutral stage), it does make the person predictable.

 

[~^.NoiR.^~]

See, that requires no skill at all. But will you win a game with it? No, because it takes even less skill to avoid.

And if you're getting beaten by that, then you should worry about your own skill level before whining about others'.

Who said I get beaten by it? It's annoying and it slows the game down. I didn't say they beat me. I DO know how to use the jump and shield button lol...

 

[Lirok]

if someone spams a smash attack alot, i usually start abusing grabs lol

but also:
comboing > spamming

so competitive players should be fine

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

I think spamming takes skill (though not always) if you can use it effectively. For example a guy who plays link and uses lotsa projectiles AND is hella good too, will proably be flagged as "spammer" 'cos he "spams" projectiles.

 

[Edds]

spamming and spam smash when they get close? i could do that if i wanted to.

 

[Crizthakidd]

spamming is just anoying nothing more. and anoyed kids start calling names and saying the word cheap.

but who the hell cares if u won?

still... win with style. and dont use blaster 50 times in one stock. *glares at wolf players*

 

[Crystanium]

You sir are wrong. Spamming, by the definition of 4 moves in 10 seconds or whatever it is, takes an incredible amount of skill.

B, B, B, B in ten seconds or less takes no skill at all.

Sure, if you're just hitting B with Fox fast enough to get a stream of never-ending lasers, that's not exactly an advanced tech, but to win by spamming takes a lot of time and practice.

Correction: Some spamming takes a lot of time. Ganondorf's neutral B would be a perfect example.

Let's look at Toon Link. Everyone complains that Toon Link players (of which I am one) just sit and spam his neutral B, which is not necessarily false. But then do you know about the SHDA practice that goes into it, or that you use it as an approach (which may lead to an accidental boomerang, screwing your strategy), or that you can use Battlechrist's turning AT to air pivot, while still shooting the direction you were facing to set up a Bair? No? Huh, because that's spamming moves too.

Here is what takes skill: Using Samus' d-air, jab, d-tilt (or d-smash) to damage your opponent with 32%. Surely you can perform the SHDA (short hop dash attack?) without using the neutral B about three or four times. It makes me wonder how many arrows you have to fire before making the SHDA work properly. Skill? Here's skill: throwing a Bomb into the air, grabbing your opponent and tossing him/her in the direction of that Bomb with either Link or Toon Link. That takes skill, especially against those who can escape this strategic method.

Working that button-hitting into a winning strategy is.

I can agree with this.

 

[Spartan1841]

Spamming is not a bad thing it actually works even if it is annoying,

 

[Gwonam_guy]

Every character has at least spammable move, whether you think is spamming depends on how you approach the situation, every move has a weakness, you just need to get around it

 

[Eaode]

B, B, B, B in ten seconds or less takes no skill at all.



Correction: Some spamming takes a lot of time. Ganondorf's neutral B would be a perfect example.



Here is what takes skill: Using Samus' d-air, jab, d-tilt (or d-smash) to damage your opponent with 32%. Surely you can perform the SHDA (short hop dash attack?) without using the neutral B about three or four times. It makes me wonder how many arrows you have to fire before making the SHDA work properly. Skill? Here's skill: throwing a Bomb into the air, grabbing your opponent and tossing him/her in the direction of that Bomb with either Link or Toon Link. That takes skill, especially against those who can escape this strategic method.



I can agree with this.

HAHAHA

Thanks for the laugh, honestly. Short hop dash attack xD. (BTW, it's short hop double arrow)


If someone is winning by spamming, the other person is obviously less skilled. Sure it can be annoying, but stop *****ing and get better instead of complaining and wishing people would stop.

Who the hell keeps bringing up Warlock punch spam? Seriously, you guys are acting like it's a serious suggestion o.o;;

Also, your little bomb trick doesn't take much more skill at all than regular projectile spamming with Toon Link. just a little more setup for no extra reward (other than coolness). So you define skill as deliberately using something that is easily escapable and winning with it? Easily escapable = bad. People can't win by playing badly.

I can't really comment on your samus example because I dont really understand it because of the SHDA confusion


In Conclusion, Spamming shouldn't need a concrete definition because you shouldn't be complaining about it.



EDIT: Sorry these thoughts are kinda jumbled up, I just woke up (No Johns)

 

[Fujiwara]

There're a few abused patterns for every character. I can tell it just from my perspective being a competitive pit-players:

So, instead using arrows on Marth I should run to him and recieve some attacks? Most of Pits Attacks have no or less priority about every other move... you have to time the attacks very well and can't just press the button when you need it. Pit-Players should know what I mean.

I can't stand the f***ing whine-complaints from self-named pro-gamers. Why should I not use the attack 2 or 3 times in row when I can lock the player with these hits? I don't blame people using the moves which they still use the whole game. It's so annoying to hear every time "you have no balls" or "look forward at our clan fights, you will not win offline". Really, f*ck that. Like said before, if you can't adept to it than you're not even worth blaming other people for their gaming-style. I've to deal with an Link-projectiles-player and an absolute aggressive marth-player "Mr. fair ever" almost every day and I never blamed them for the repetive use of moves and combos, never.