Stage Bannings

[SkylerOcon]

Okay, I can understand overly-humoungous-giga-sized stages such as Hyrule Temple being disallowed from tournament play, but stages such as Wario Ware (c'mon, if you really can't dodge a foot then you don't have a chance to win the tournament anyway) is just dumb.

They were put in the game, and even if certain characters have a major advantage in it, then suck it up and deal with it. Complaining about it only shows that you don't have any confidence in you being good at Brawl.

And just because stages are 'random' doesn't mean that they should be banned. It makes them more challenging, and it actually -- dare I say it -- brings out the best in a player when faced with these problems.

Also, since when was the SWF Nintendo? Since when was the SWF the MLG? Since when does F-Zero racers moving fast make a stage 'unfair'?

Banning these stages is just like banning Snake or Zelda because they have attacks that they can control from long range for easy K.O.'s in Sudden Death.

 

[marthownsxd]

I foretell flame in your future...

 

[SkylerOcon]

Eh. I agree.

 

[Rikka]

Maybe "Stage Legality Discussion" was too complicated of a phrase for you.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Or, you know, maybe this way gets more attention. Just a thought.

 

[Mama]

Lol. Well I don't think you'd want to waste money playing somewhere you could be shot by a cannon ball at any given moment and die and wind up losing. And why should you have to worry about dodging a giant foot when you don't have to? While you're running away from a shadow you're off guard and can be punished by your opponent.

Not all stages with hazards are terrible but that doesn't change the fact that some things are just too random. When you're competing for money you should be able to rely on your skill as much as possible leave as little to chance as you can. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with adapting to hazards.

It doesn't matter if they were put in the game or not. Its our game now. We bought it so we decide what and what not to do with it. If people want to ban some stages then they can. If they want to rely on their skill and not dumb luck, chance, or flukes then so be it. Do you honestly think that getting shot by a cannon ball or whacked by cressalia shows a lack of skill? (even though pirate ship is one of my favorite stages) I think that just shows a lack of experience on your part.

And since when has Nintendo been the hub of the competitive Smash scene? They haven't nor will they ever be. You don't have to play by the rules of the SWF. You don't even have to come to these boards. But fyi this is the place where a lot of tournament organizers come together (actually the back room is but anyway) and discuss the tournament related things. People who come here come here by choice. They choose to go with the choices because like it or not this is the heart of the competitive Smash community. Somebody has to do it. Tournaments can't exist without a set of rules and standards to go by.

Before you say "Well if ***** said go jump off a bridge.." (or whatever to that effect), No we don't follow these things blindly. Nor are the rules thought up by a single idiot or a group of idiots. Theres a reason for everything. And nothing is set in stone. Things can be disputed and debated.

 

[ZenJestr]

I think in the case of Wario Ware its the rewards that you get for completing the easy mini games...sometimes the winner goes invincible or turns huge or the loser gets tiny...

 

[OddCrow]

Okay, I can understand overly-humoungous-giga-sized stages such as Hyrule Temple being disallowed from tournament play, but stages such as Wario Ware (c'mon, if you really can't dodge a foot then you don't have a chance to win the tournament anyway) is just dumb.

Yeah, but say you are trying to recover and the "dont move" game appears. You are moving, TO STAY ALIVE. and you opponent stands still and gets a superstar. Now, does that sound fair? Also, I was trying to jump onto WarioWare one time and the very same Do Not Move one appears. I get trapped under the floor and die. Not fair, does having bad luck prove that the other player is better than me? No. Some Stages are banned because of MAJOR outcome changing hazards which prefer luck to skill, and skill is the WHOLE point of tournaments.

They were put in the game, and even if certain characters have a major advantage in it, then suck it up and deal with it. Complaining about it only shows that you don't have any confidence in you being good at Brawl.

Contradiction much? Just because Fox wins 90% of the time on a given stage, or because some stages don't have ledges but they do have floating platforms which make Olimar unable to recover doesn't make them unfair at all. I'm confident I'm good, but I don't want to be put at a disadvantage JUST because of the stage.

And just because stages are 'random' doesn't mean that they should be banned. It makes them more challenging, and it actually -- dare I say it -- brings out the best in a player when faced with these problems.

Being in the right place at the right time is skill? Hardly. I mean things like the Mario Kart Stage are avoidable so it's counterpick (I think). But things you can't even close to predict do NOT prove skill.

Also, since when was the SWF Nintendo? Since when was the SWF the MLG? Since when does F-Zero racers moving fast make a stage 'unfair'?

It's not, exactly, but all the competitive players come here, and these boards are a large force driving the community, dare I say, that without these boards that SSB wouldn't be in the competitive eye at all?

Banning these stages is just like banning Snake or Zelda because they have attacks that they can control from long range for easy K.O.'s in Sudden Death.

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No, it's not.

(not trying to flame, if I seemed edgy it's only because I've said all that like, 20 other times to other people who thought what you think)

 

[Rikka]

Or, you know, maybe this way gets more attention. Just a thought.

The whole point of that sticky is so we don't need topics like these. Just because you feel your posts deserves more priority over others doesn't mean you should make your own topic.

 

[Rokk141]

Okay, I can understand overly-humoungous-giga-sized stages such as Hyrule Temple being disallowed from tournament play, but stages such as Wario Ware (c'mon, if you really can't dodge a foot then you don't have a chance to win the tournament anyway) is just dumb.

They were put in the game, and even if certain characters have a major advantage in it, then suck it up and deal with it. Complaining about it only shows that you don't have any confidence in you being good at Brawl.

And just because stages are 'random' doesn't mean that they should be banned. It makes them more challenging, and it actually -- dare I say it -- brings out the best in a player when faced with these problems.

Let's take two people of equal skill fighting on Warioware. A minigame pops up, let's use the one you used. It's easy to dodge, so both players dodge. One is given a mushroom, the other is given a starman. You're now easier to hit to your invincible opponent. There's nothing challenging about that, nothing you can do to overcome it. The random starman the player was awarded doesn't show he's the better brawler, it shows he had more luck.

If you read my other posts I'm against banning most stages, but even I have to draw the line somewhere. The idea of telling a competitive player to "suck it up and deal with it" is an absurd mentality, one that really doesn't belong in a discussion. We need to separate the completely random from the foreseeable.


P.S. You should have posted in the thread already designed to talk about this subject. You most likely still would have gotten a response, without looking like you're just seeking some attention.