Still a possiblilty for Brawl DLC?

[Sonic XD]

Since when? Do I need to make a separate thread explaining in HUGE detail why Sonic, Ness, and Lucario suck badly and don't deserve to be in the game?[/QUOTE Luke Groundwalker]


Hmm have you played the game yet? How can you say that they suck if you did not play the game?

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

I think it's possible, but it wouldn't be up to Sakurai.

Forgive me for not being excited though... Roy? Dr. Mario? Plusle and Minun? The only one I like there is Dixie.

 

[Dust319]

I think the biggest point against DLC isn't Sakurai's statement, but from Takashi Aoyama who said (from the Wired blog) "The add-on contents for disc games would be purchased within the game"

Unless someone with a japanese or other copy of the game can tell me that there is a "Look for Updates," "Update," "Download," or "Give me more characters" button in the game somewhere already, I saying it's not going to happen. In order to update a disc game in such fashion, it seems that it has to able to recieve such an update to begin with.

I still think DLC or expansion discs are a possibility. At the earliest, it'll happen after Europe, Australia, and New Zealand get the game.

I bring this up because I could see expansion discs as a possibility, as Koei has made some pretty good money off of the Dynasty Warriors series in this fashion. However, I find it highly unlikely.

The biggest nail in this coffin, however, is that Sora is not a big company that has nothing better to do than make more Smash Bros content. As Sakurai stated several times, Sora is really only two people and the rest of the team goes in and out as they are required. Because of that, you're not going to this team sitting around monitoring people's responses and planning their next big Smash move. Chances are, the team no longer exsists at this point.

Sure Nintendo could hire people to do it themselves, but they didn't work on the first project, and likely wouldn't be able to balance it the way Sakurai or the rest of the team would.

Also, the question is, would you be willing to 'pay' for these? If they introduce such content, you will likely have to pay for it, which mean that Brawl's online experience could suddenly fall under the 'pay-to-play' category. At which point, I would hate it, because I'm not willing to spend a monthly fee just to get my online Smash fix.
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I don't mean to rant, but as much as I'd like to see other characters included in the game somehow, I'm starting to think DLC could do more harm than good at this juncture.

 

[John5]

An extra character, unless really horrible can throw the balance out of loop. I think we're fine the way we are.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

I could crush any bias thoughts you may have had about Lucario or Sonic in a matter of seconds, my expertise with the MOTHER series, however? I can leave it to a more devoted fan.

I don't have a bias against any character. I have facts to support everything I say and they're most likely a better and more developed opinion than your's.

I'm a huge fan of the Mother series and I've determined why Ness shouldn't be in. Even made a thread about it that people cried about like ***gots.

Hmm have you played the game yet? How can you say that they suck if you did not play the game?

I'm NOT talking about how they play. It doesn't matter how good they play, they still suck as characters and don't deserve to be in the game.

 

[Sonic XD]

I don't have a bias against any character. I have facts to support everything I say and they're most likely a better and more developed opinion than your's.

I'm a huge fan of the Mother series and I've determined why Ness shouldn't be in. Even made a thread about it that people cried about like ***gots.

Have you even played the game?

 

[Nuvia]

I don't have a bias against any character.

You make me laugh.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

HUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRR

You make me laugh.

Tell me, how am I biased?

Have you even played the game?

For ****'s sake.

 

[Nuvia]

Tell me, how am I biased?

Well perhaps not biased, but your claim that Lucario, Ness and Sonic suck is entirely your opinion.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Well perhaps not biased, but your claim that Lucario, Ness and Sonic suck is entirely your opinion.

Hahahahaha, this really isn't the thread for it but I could really go into detail and tell you why this isn't my opinion.

No, I'm NOT talking about how they play. They all play great and are fine fighters. So was Dr. Mario and he was still a ****ty character to be put in Melee. They still suck when it comes to their actual characters.

 

[spindash]

Tell me, how am I biased?

For ****'s sake.

You don't realize what kind of a ****storm you brought upon yourself, pal. Give me a couple of hours to come back from an open house on our home.

 

[Nuvia]

Hahahahaha, this really isn't the thread for it but I could really go into detail and tell you why this isn't my opinion.

No, I'm NOT talking about how they play. They all play great and are fine fighters. So was Dr. Mario and he was still a ****ty character to be put in Melee. They still suck when it comes to their actual characters.

I didn't say anything about how they play. Your claim that they suck as characters is still an opinion.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

You don't realize what kind of a ****storm you brought upon yourself, pal. Give me a couple of hours to come back from an open house on our home.

Oh BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Go ahead and try your hardest to be that ***got to convince me that all the Sonic 3D games are actually good and Lucario should be in because of his piece of garbage movie.

I didn't say anything about how they play. Your claim that they suck as characters is still an opinion.

So what makes Sonic, Lucario, and Ness so deserving to be in the game, then? They already have so much factual things against them, so what could actually support them to make them seem like alright characters that are deserving?

 

[Nuvia]

So what makes Sonic, Lucario, and Ness so deserving to be in the game, then? They already have so much factual things against them, so what could actually support them to make them seem like alright characters that are deserving?

Why don't you tell me what makes them undeserving?

Anything can be said about any character in the game to make them suck, and they are all opinions.

 

[da K.I.D.]

dude sonic was the most influential char. of a generation. the sales battle that occured between sonic and mario was the stuff of legends. he was the most asked for char. on sakurai's poll. he is the most recognisable video game character on the planet second only to mario himself. people have wanted mario and sonic to have a respectable game together for 10 years. sonic hasnt had a great game since the dreamcast, and he still has legions upon legions of adoring fans.

now why dont go ahead and tell me me why he doesnt deserve to be in this game, you arrogant, pompous douchebag

 

[m0dredus]

Oh BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Go ahead and try your hardest to be that ***got to convince me that all the Sonic 3D games are actually good and Lucario should be in because of his piece of garbage movie.

Both of those character have MASSIVE fanbase, and the outcry for them to be in was nearly deafening. Whichever movie Lucario was in does not merit his being in, it was what that movie did to his character. People liked his so much, he was to the fourth gen of pokemon what Pikachu was to the first (on a bit smaller scale, but the same principal) That coupled with the obvious moveset potential made him nearly a shoe-in.

As For Sonic, it was very cunning of you to say "3D" games. Because you know as well as I do that those original 2D games were darn fun, and are more then enough to merit a successful character. I agree that the recent 3D games were pretty poor, and kind of messed up his rep, but the Sonic Advance, and Rush series are what make the character still worth making games for. His fanbase is huge, and he was another obvious addition.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Why don't you tell me what makes them undeserving?

For one, here are the facts of the situation for each one in a GIST:

Ness
- Is the most undeveloped and uncharacterized Mother main character in the whole series
- Mother follows the same tradition as Zelda, him and Lucas being in is like having OoT Link and TP Link at the same time (and no, Toon Link and Link doesn't count because they're at least different concepts as characters rather than Ness and Lucas, in which Lucas is intended to be the successor of Ness in the Mother series)

Lucario
- Was in a piece of **** movie, and yes that's a fact
- Is only popular because of his garbage movie and is actually just a regular Pokemon in the games (but it would be understandable if he was as iconic as Jigglypuff and Pikachu, but, well, he isn't)
- He's based off his character from the movie in Brawl, which was a badly developed and idiotic character
- He replaces Mewtwo, who was a much more deserving and better characterized in the anime than Lucario was

Sonic
- Hasn't had a good main game since Sonic Adventure
- Used to be a good character in the 2D games but now he has a completely different personality that only an idiot would like
- Has a terrible voice that should've been voiced by Jaleel White in the first place, both Ryan Drummond and Jason Griffith are both terrible voice actors coming from an experienced fan of the voice actor movement as they make Sonic sound like a complete idiot
- Is based off his current and piece of garbage 3D version of him rather than his actually likable one from the retro Sonic games in Brawl

 

[espio87]

NO.

That is not what Sakurai is lying (or being ignorant) about.

The fact that Sakurai is completely wrong about the Wii's capabilities and suggesting DLC would be impossible is what's wrong here.

While you got technical proof plus this recent announcement to say otherwise.

that's why I found it suspicious, and I posted a similar coment a while ago in another topic which I quote:

There's something I hate about myself and that is to pick on small details. This statement makes me uneasy:
IGN: We have to ask because there are so many rumors about this. Are there any hidden characters to come? Can you unlock more hidden fighters by way of WiiConnect24 or will you offer new downloadable content -- new fighters, for example. -- using the service?

Masahiro Sakurai: No. There are no characters that can be unlocked via connecting to WiiConnect24 or interacting in that fashion. And I may be mistaken here, but the Wii doesn't have a hard drive -- it's a disc-based system -- so I don't think we'll be doing that, I don't think it's going to happen.

The one thing that caught my attention is that he wasn't sure about the Wii's hard drive. We all know it exists, but he doesn't. A man in his position would have known, even if he wasn't working for Nintendo. I mean, he's a game designer after all, and one who decided to part ways with Nintendo and make games on his own. He must have studied the current consoles capabilities to know what he would be able to design. Still, that's a pretty strong "no" it seems but his reasons seem... a bit odd

It's not possible a person like him to make such a big mistake. Either he lied didn't want the idea of dlc OR he was forced to lie.

 

[Deleted member]

Enough of the arguments guys, k?

Anyway, DLC MAY be a possibility, if everyone wants it. However, I see nothing happening unless Nintendo themselves approach Sora.

Which probably won't happen. I appreciate some of the stuff Nintendo's doing for online, but really they're mostly prehistoric in that field, and only react to change if someone mobs Shiggy's car and holds him hostage in a Mexican basement with fifty naked bimbos.

 

[espio87]

sorry, double post

 

[WoodyDave]

So what makes Sonic, Lucario, and Ness so deserving to be in the game, then? They already have so much factual things against them, so what could actually support them to make them seem like alright characters that are deserving?

Lucario is in due to his appearance in a pokemon movie (just like Mewtwo), and the fact that he's one of the most used pokemon in high end wifi games. Although not a clone, he does in fact replace Mewtwo. You might not of like it, but many many people loved Lucario in the movie.

Ness is in because he's been in since 64. That, and the fact that he's the main character in the earthbound series, which is another hugely popular nintendo series.

Sonic is in due to winning the vote on the dojo. Anyone old enough can tell you how much of a rivalry the Sonic and Mario games had back in the snes/sega days. That, and his popularity rivals that of Mario.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Lucario is in due to his appearance in a pokemon movie (just like Mewtwo), and the fact that he's one of the most used pokemon in high end wifi games. Although not a clone, he does in fact replace Mewtwo.

Already addressed this in a previous post.

Ness is in because he's been in since 64. That, and the fact that he's the main character in the earthbound series, which is another hugely popular nintendo series.

You misunderstand, Ness ISN'T the main character of the Mother series. He's never been. He's the main character of Mother 2. The main character of the Mother series is either Ninten or Lucas depending on how you look at it.

Sonic is in due to winning the vote on the dojo. Anyone old enough can tell you how much of a rivalry the Sonic and Mario games had back in the snes/sega days. That, and his popularity rivals that of Mario.

Yeah, I remember that. I remember their rivalry back in the day considering I was actually there when it was happening.

Doesn't dodge the fact that Sonic has grown to be a terrible character. He doesn't even rival Mario anymore.

 

[Nuvia]

For one, here are the facts of the situation for each one in a GIST:

Ness
- Is the most undeveloped and uncharacterized Mother main character in the whole series
- Mother follows the same tradition as Zelda, him and Lucas being in is like having OoT Link and TP Link at the same time (and no, Toon Link and Link doesn't count because they're at least different concepts as characters rather than Ness and Lucas, in which Lucas is intended to be the successor of Ness in the Mother series)

Lucario
- Was in a piece of **** movie, and yes that's a fact
- Is only popular because of his garbage movie and is actually just a regular Pokemon in the games (but it would be understandable if he was as iconic as Jigglypuff and Pikachu, but, well, he isn't)
- He's based off his character from the movie in Brawl, which was a badly developed and idiotic character
- He replaces Mewtwo, who was a much more deserving and better characterized in the anime than Lucario was

Sonic
- Hasn't had a good main game since Sonic Adventure
- Used to be a good character in the 2D games but now he has a completely different personality that only an idiot would like
- Has a terrible voice that should've been voiced by Jaleel White in the first place, both Ryan Drummond and Jason Griffith are both terrible voice actors coming from an experienced fan of the voice actor movement as they make Sonic sound like a complete idiot
- Is based off his current and piece of garbage 3D version of him rather than his actually likable one from the retro Sonic games in Brawl

Ness
-I don't claim to know anything about Mother, but I'm sure many would disagree with you.

Lucario
-If his movie was so bad, why is he so popular?
-Your stuff about his character is an opinion.
-Lucario replaced Mewtwo because this is his generation. The same reason why we have TP Zelda characters and Ike. When it comes down to it, a lot of Mewtwo's popularity can be attributed to his own movie too.

Sonic
-That's your opinion.
-He doesn't seem that different to me. He's still a wise cracking, fast as hell hedgehog with a chip on his shoulder.
-Your stuff about his voice is an opinion.
-Oh Sonic is certainly based only on his current incarnation. That's why they gave him retro sound effects and made almost his moves be a spinning animation.


I refuted all your claims. You're really just an opinionated bigot with enough arrogance to choke a horse.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Ness
-I don't claim to knwo anything about Mother, but I'm sure many would disagree with you.

I'm not saying that Ness doesn't have a character, as he mildly does.

He just doesn't have a backstory or anything relating to the plot at all. Ninten did, and Lucas especially does. This makes him basically the worst one in his series.

Lucario
-If his movie was so bad, why is he so popular?
-Your stuff about his character is an opinion.
-Lucario replaced Mewtwo because this is his generation. The same reason why we have TP Zelda characters and Ike.

- Naruto is bad and it's popular. Voltron is bad and it's popular.
- Oh? Tell me how, then? Tell me how his character is good.
- No actually the main reason is that Serebii-Joe made a huge petition to Nintendo to take Mewtwo out most likely. As weak as that sounds, Serebii-Joe could really effect a lot especially since he has big links to Nintendo.

Sonic
-That's your opinion.
-He doesn't seem that different to me. He's still a wise cracking, fast as hell hedgehog with a chip on his shoulder.
-Your stuff about his voice is an opinion.
-Oh Sonic is certainly based only on his current incarnation. That's why they they gave him retro sound effects and made almost his moves be a spinning animation.

- Go on, tell me how it isn't.
- Yes except he's completely cheesy with a terrible voice.
- Go on, tell me how it isn't.
- Sonic has those sound effects and spinning animations in his 3D games too.

 

[WoodyDave]

Already addressed this in a previous post.

You misunderstand, Ness ISN'T the main character of the Mother series. He's never been. He's the main character of Mother 2. The main character of the Mother series is either Ninten or Lucas depending on how you look at it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ness_(Earthbound)#Ness

Ness

Ness (ネス, Nesu?) is the protagonist of EarthBound.

Yeah, I remember that. I remember their rivalry back in the day considering I was actually there when it was happening.

Doesn't dodge the fact that Sonic has grown to be a terrible character. He doesn't even rival Mario anymore.

Says you? Again, your opinion, not fact.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ness_(Earthbound)#Ness

Ness

Ness (ネス, Nesu?) is the protagonist of EarthBound.

Yes, Earthbound. AKA, Mother 2.

Says you? Again, your opinion, not fact.

My opinions, facts, really interchangeable as they're all right.

 

[Sonic XD]

Ness > Lucas

Sonic > Mario

 

[WoodyDave]

Nice, I see you edited your post about Ness. Shall we continue?

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Ness > Lucas

Sonic > Mario

Hahahahaha, yeah, right, shows what you know.

Nice, I see you edited your post about Ness. Shall we continue?

I didn't edit my post about Ness. It would say its edited if I did.

 

[WoodyDave]

Hahahahaha, yeah, right, shows what you know.

Actually, thats his opinion, just like its your opinion that he's wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion


An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Actually, thats his opinion, just like its your opinion that he's wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion


An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.

Yes but I haven't even said anything pertaining to my opinion in this thread. Even if I did my opinion would still reign over your's since it's actually more developed than anyone's in this thread.

 

[Sonic XD]

Hahahahaha, yeah, right, shows what you know.

I didn't edit my post about Ness. It would say its edited if I did.

Lols you didnt even play the game.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Lols you didnt even play the game.

I've played every Mother, Sonic, and Mario game period, so just go before you make a fool of yourself.

For one, Lucas IS better than Ness. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. Ness hardly does anything in the **** game other than help out while Paula is basically the one who actually owns Gigyas in the first place and he doesn't have anything to relate himself to the main plotline. Lucas did, however, actually played a good and powerful role in Mother 3 and had actual good and emotional character development as he did so.

And Sonic doesn't make good games anymore while Mario still does, so I'd say he's a lot better to be honest.

 

[WoodyDave]

I've played every Mother, Sonic, and Mario game period, so just go before you make a fool of yourself.

For one, Lucas IS better than Ness. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. Ness hardly does anything in the **** game other than help out while Paula is basically the one who actually owns Gigyas in the first place and he doesn't have anything to relate himself to the main plotline. Lucas did, however, actually played a good and powerful role in Mother 3 and had actual good and emotional character development as he did so.

And Sonic doesn't make good games anymore while Mario still does, so I'd say he's a lot better to be honest.

That all seems like opinion to me. Fact usually has some sort of data to back it up.

 

[Sonic XD]

I've played every Mother, Sonic, and Mario game period, so just go before you make a fool of yourself.

For one, Lucas IS better than Ness. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. Ness hardly does anything in the **** game other than help out while Paula is basically the one who actually owns Gigyas in the first place and he doesn't have anything to relate himself to the main plotline. Lucas did, however, actually played a good and powerful role in Mother 3 and had actual good and emotional character development as he did so.

And Sonic doesn't make good games anymore while Mario still does, so I'd say he's a lot better to be honest.

Oh my i said you didnt play ssbb...

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

That all seems like opinion to me. Fact usually has some sort of data to back it up.

I don't really need data for the obvious unless I'm talking to the complete clueless and ********.

Oh my i said you didnt play ssbb...

What does playing SSBB have to do with anything? They are still ****ty characters when it comes to their actual gaming series.

 

[Nuvia]

You know, Mr. Luke Atmey, I don't really feel the need to prove I'm right, since as I said before, you are much like a tree. No matter how much people yell at you, you do not move. I just think you make a lot of people here irritable with your extremist opinions and your apparent inability to compromise on anything.

Something to think about.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

You know, Mr. Luke Atmey, I don't really feel the need to prove I'm right, since as I said before, you are much like a tree. No matter how much people yell at you, you do not move. I just think you make a lot of people here irritable with your extremist opinions and your apparent inability to compromise on anything.

I'm willing to compromise. Its perfectly fine if you are a mindless idiot who thinks such characters are good. Just as long as you admit it and accept that fact, I'm perfectly fine with it and honestly I could careless if you like a ****ty 3D Sonic game or Lucario's movie. Just as long as you can accept the facts that they suck, it's all okay with me.

 

[Sonic XD]

I don't really need data for the obvious unless I'm talking to the complete clueless and ********.

Lets put it this way Groundwalker,

 

[WoodyDave]

I don't really need data for the obvious unless I'm talking to the complete clueless and ********.

What does playing SSBB have to do with anything? They are still ****ty characters when it comes to their actual gaming series.

You you admit you cant find any data to back up your claims and that you are in fact using your opinion to back up your claims.