Strategies for Fighting the Other 34 Characters

[Carouselambra]

First off, hi. I'm new here... but not to the game.

Reading these threads I have noticed a lack of useful threads, since most are opinion-based. It got me thinkin'.... wouldn't it be great if there were helpful strategies against each individual character when playing as Yoshi, especially for 1 v 1.

There's no way we can get extended experience playing against each individual character, so this thread should allow everyone to share what they have found.

I have played a lot against Wolf and Ike, my friends main and alternate, and have taken notes. We play mostly on FD, BF, and smashville (places that are simple).

Wolf is a pain, cause hes laser breaks Yoshi's shield, and if you roll right up next to him he breaks the shield with his gun. Going over the top is difficult, cause he is quick and can easiy get you from below. He can also combo very well. Keeping in mind he shoots his laser whenever you are not next to him, proper strategy has seemed to be to dodge towards him everytime he starts to fire, and as soon as you get behind him to neutral A him cause you can get it off quick. At that point you are close enough to bair him into a lethal combo. Of course you can try to bair him without getting behind him first, but I have found it easier to pull off the way I described.

That's all I got for now, I know it's not great advice, but I'm sure you all have excellent input as to the best tactics.

 

[PRiDE]

Fought a crazy donkey kong yesterday.. What ever you do don't try to do the bair into an up smash combo.. He take the hits and grabs you in the middle of the bair.. Hit and run I say. Dont stay close to him for to long and watch out for the down smash.. =/

 

[Gindler]

I agree with the DK fighting. any other character you can utterly destory with constant Bair or if you can turn the Bair into a combo. A good DK though has grabbed me alot though, must be the long arms and the way he doesn't move as far as the other characters after a Bair. Marth and ike can be a real pain with their counters and so can lucario.

General rule when fighting at those simple levels is to get any character you're fighting off of the edge and dair them down as far as you can. Lucario and sonic seem to be the only characters that recover from all the way down from what I've noticed. Yoshi's a major problem though because he uses his super armor and goes right through it, but how often are you going to be fighting another yoshi main?

 

[Carouselambra]

About the bair, and perhaps it been noted elsewhere in the forum, I was playing another one of my friends who mains Lucario and Pikachu. With both of them he was able to counter attack after a bair. When I played my other friend who mains Wolf and Ike it was much easier to get off an upsmash or a forwardsmash immediately after a bair. Is it character dependent, damage percentage, player, or what?

 

[THE RED SPARROW]

About the bair, and perhaps it been noted elsewhere in the forum, I was playing another one of my friends who mains Lucario and Pikachu. With both of them he was able to counter attack after a bair. When I played my other friend who mains Wolf and Ike it was much easier to get off an upsmash or a forwardsmash immediately after a bair. Is it character dependent, damage percentage, player, or what?

Pikachu owns Yoshi.

Yoshi is totally outranged and out-prioritized it's very annoying playing a good Pikachu player.

Yeah and his Forward Smash can be spammed easily and Yoshi can't really stop it without trading hits.

 

[Meta Dude]

Pikachu owns Yoshi.

Yoshi is totally outranged and out-prioritized it's very annoying playing a good Pikachu player.

Yeah and his Forward Smash can be spammed easily and Yoshi can't really stop it without trading hits.

this is so true, and so much of it also has to do with downb thunder. it takes away your entire aerial game. egg roll isn't a bad technique to use (not sure if his neutralb breaks it, but there are few things that do break it), nor are egg tosses when you're far. i think if you are going to come down on him, it can't be telegraphed from afar. that means it's gotta be a short hop.

 

[Gindler]

If pikachu and lucario are countering after your Bair i recommend doing a pivotgrab (turning around and grabbing them) right after the attack. Whenever I do this against pikachu and lucario mains they either try to avoid the grab when they know it's coming giving them no chance to counter quickly, or I grab them spit them off the side and meteor smash them to their doom.

That Bair is so irritating after you get caught in it, so i'm told I never faught another yoshi main yet. But I'd have to say it's my favorite attack to use because you're guaranteed that at least one of the 4 tail swipes will hit.

 

[Carouselambra]

I will have to try that out.

The Bair is amazing and by far the move I use most often. I have yet to find a move that trumps it when it is used appropriately.

 

[THE RED SPARROW]

this is so true, and so much of it also has to do with downb thunder. it takes away your entire aerial game. egg roll isn't a bad technique to use (not sure if his neutralb breaks it, but there are few things that do break it), nor are egg tosses when you're far. i think if you are going to come down on him, it can't be telegraphed from afar. that means it's gotta be a short hop.

Egg Roll can't kill and is easily avoidable for Pikachu. Pikachu's projectile cancels it anyways.

 

[Carouselambra]

True, the egg roll is often predictable, but it isn't useless. I don't use it often, but I like to go into it while airborne. If used at the right moment it seems to catch the opponent off guard, especially since its a brief stutter for when they make a preemptive smash. It also seems to work well after a thunder from Pikachu.

Also, I have noticed that this thread is not getting many posts when considering the number of views. I guarantee you don't use the exact same strategy against each charater. I'd imagine lots of you play against a few particular characters a lot, and ANY advice regarding your strategy to beat those characters should be very helpful for those who main Yoshi.

 

[PRiDE]

I've noticed that the egg roll really hurts Olimar by basically running down stray pikmin.. Its really effective in killing off his pikmin.. Plus , well, the olimars I played online have problems when trying to attack the egg roll. Almost beat the number 1 person on MLG today, came down to a few hits . Uses Marth.. a good counter pick against marth is Battlefield.. Even though battle field hinders yoshii's aerial game, it also hinders marth which is by far better than Yoshis. Marth is forced to fight on the ground where Yoshi can easily over power him.

 

[Deleted member]

Wario is probably one of yoshis hardest matchups. Bair doesnt lead to anything, he can just DI away, yoshi gets mostly beaten in the air, but the main thing is yoshi CANNOT kill a proficiant wario. Usually, on first stock, he kills me whiile hes at 150%, and my only moves that kill him are my fsmash and usmash, which are hard to land, especially if the wario knows ur style, and uair, which they shouldnt be getting hit with. Also, fair to grab is unstoppable, literally, yoshi cant stop it. My advice on the matchup:

PROTECT HIS BIKE! its his recovery, and if it is not destroyed, he cant use it without being near it.
pivot grabs are great. Since wario has an approach that you cant beat (fair to grab), try to run back and pivot grab him (easier said than done).
Eggs are good, since wario is gonna need to approach u, egg him, u need to get in all the damage u can.
Hes gonna be killing with fsmash and uair, and occasionally dsmash, so look out for those.
Also, he can edgeguard u with his bite, and if u used your second jump, u dont get it back, so thats kinda gay.

IMO this is a very hard matchup for yoshi, please give me tips on it.

 

[THE RED SPARROW]

True, the egg roll is often predictable, but it isn't useless. I don't use it often, but I like to go into it while airborne. If used at the right moment it seems to catch the opponent off guard, especially since its a brief stutter for when they make a preemptive smash. It also seems to work well after a thunder from Pikachu.

Also, I have noticed that this thread is not getting many posts when considering the number of views. I guarantee you don't use the exact same strategy against each charater. I'd imagine lots of you play against a few particular characters a lot, and ANY advice regarding your strategy to beat those characters should be very helpful for those who main Yoshi.

Egg Roll is useful IN GENERAL but I was specifically referring to dealing with Pikachu. Pikachu can just avoid it easily due to his speed.

 

[nub?]

Wario is probably one of yoshis hardest matchups. Bair doesnt lead to anything, he can just DI away, yoshi gets mostly beaten in the air, but the main thing is yoshi CANNOT kill a proficiant wario. Usually, on first stock, he kills me whiile hes at 150%, and my only moves that kill him are my fsmash and usmash, which are hard to land, especially if the wario knows ur style, and uair, which they shouldnt be getting hit with. Also, fair to grab is unstoppable, literally, yoshi cant stop it. My advice on the matchup:

PROTECT HIS BIKE! its his recovery, and if it is not destroyed, he cant use it without being near it.
pivot grabs are great. Since wario has an approach that you cant beat (fair to grab), try to run back and pivot grab him (easier said than done).
Eggs are good, since wario is gonna need to approach u, egg him, u need to get in all the damage u can.
Hes gonna be killing with fsmash and uair, and occasionally dsmash, so look out for those.
Also, he can edgeguard u with his bite, and if u used your second jump, u dont get it back, so thats kinda gay.

IMO this is a very hard matchup for yoshi, please give me tips on it.

I have a friend who has a pretty decent wario ( i think) and my bair> ftilt gets him everytime. You should give it a try its a nice combo starter. Hope that helps.



And also pikachu gives me a hard time too **** that downb.

 

[Gindler]

Yeah, yoshi's easiest match up is easily olimar. His egg roll just completely negates and pikmin attacks, his Bair also destroys them. And if you're above them be sure to Dair, the first kick cancels whatever he throws at you and the other 20 go right into his face.

Other easy match ups are big characters (bowser, ganandorf, DK, Ike) because they're just huge targets for yoshi's awesome multihit attacks that he so known (or at least should be known) for.

But yeah, pikachu i've noticed is the most annoying enemy to fight, his agility recovery completely takes my dair to footstool kill out of the equation because it's the most unpredictable recovery in the game (they can go any direction they want). Lucario's annoying too because he survives to high damage (150 ish) when I fight him (which makes him uber powerful unless i can get in a lucky smash earlier. Basically the people I have the most problems with are all pokemon (yes even jiggz) the rest are all pretty straightforward people to fight.

 

[YoshiPwnsAll]

I also have many problems with Pikachu. It seems dashing works pretty well against him. Especially dash/grab.
If you are fighting a kirby, don't go after him when hes in the air. Let him come down, pivot grab him, and start your combo.

Maybe a fihting against Pika tutorial video would be good. Could someone maybe get on that?

 

[PRiDE]

I just fought a high ranked pika on mlg.. I beat him by simply air dodging his thunder and hopping over his b move. He got fed up of missing he just started to attack me like normal. Not to bad without these moves. Watch out for his down throws into a down smash =/ not fun.. Also, is anyone having problems with Falco? I lost to two falcos at a tournament a couple weeks ago, and online today I ALMOST lost to a very low skilled falco... Just curious maybe I am the only one having problems with one.

 

[heypancho]

Do you guys do well against a Pit? I played one who beat my Ness and Zamus, but I was able to win with Yoshi. I don't know if this was because he didn't know Yoshi well enough, or whatever... but how is everyone else doing against Pit?

 

[PRiDE]

I dont have any real problems playing against Pit, Marth, Toon Link, or MK.. My issues come with Pika, Falco, Wolf, and IKE (when there is lag, and there just ALWAYS seems to be lag when playing against IKE)

 

[Meta Dude]

Do you guys do well against a Pit? I played one who beat my Ness and Zamus, but I was able to win with Yoshi. I don't know if this was because he didn't know Yoshi well enough, or whatever... but how is everyone else doing against Pit?

pit is cake. anytime he up b's, just float up and string some combos. you get to see all of yoshi's sick aerials. also maybe i'm wrong, but i think yoshi is slightly faster than pit. or their the same speed.

 

[THE RED SPARROW]

pit is cake. anytime he up b's, just float up and string some combos. you get to see all of yoshi's sick aerials. also maybe i'm wrong, but i think yoshi is slightly faster than pit. or their the same speed.

Pits attacks are faster and have higher overall priority, Yoshi's movement speed is faster but arrows negate his mobility anyways.

 

[Meta Dude]

Pits attacks are faster and have higher overall priority, Yoshi's movement speed is faster but arrows negate his mobility anyways.

he may have overrall priority, but i don't know about yoshi's bair. if he out prioritizes our bair, well i might poop my pants. also, that's why i suggest stringing aerial combos when he uses his up b recovery. that's when he's most vulnerable.

the biggest thing about pit you want to avoid is his side b. that's his bread and butter "rack up dmg %" move. he WILL do it (almost) everytime he's in proximity, so i'm always aware of that. short hop over, dair, make him eat it. ask him if it tastes good. also, does he have higher priority when it comes to most aerials over yoshi?

 

[Ryan-K]

Of course pit outpriorities yoshi's pit's hitboxes are all disjointed because he swords.

Also any good pit player wont repeatedly use forward b right next to you everytime.

Edgeguarding pit you have to try egging him since his jumps dont recover as much vertical distance so he may try to go out and come up and in with up b, or glide under the level or whatever. Just poke at him because it could get risky since pit has so many options in mid air.

I think yoshi's bair barely outreaches most of pit's aerials though so you have some sort of control over the range you fight him in. Arrows are a ***** but learn the ranges to which they can be curved and try to stay between them and abuse air dodges.

If pit tries to glide attack you/does a sh fair a bit too early you can probably dash back and usmash quick since it comes out from behind yoshi and it distorts his body enough to dodge. Running back usmash is really good IMO

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Basically any character who shoots lightning out of its face is a hard matchup.





































Oh, right.

 

[Nocher]

i dont really have any problems that i can't solve agains pika, since he is my secondary character, but what should i do against a Toon Link who is spamming projectiles at high speed with decent accuracy, to lead into an fsmash?. please, i really need help on this

 

[Veehelm]

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[Nocher]

that's good the only thing that you didnt cover i the use of the bomb smoke to cover up what move they are doing next, which turns out to be way to much of a mindgame against me. i cna't retaliiate because i dont know what he is going to do

 

[salaboB]

that's good the only thing that you didnt cover i the use of the bomb smoke to cover up what move they are doing next, which turns out to be way to much of a mindgame against me. i cna't retaliiate because i dont know what he is going to do

I haven't fought a good Toon Link yet, but I'd recommend maintaining distance and just throwing eggs at him if he's doing this frequently. If he tries to launch a projectile your egg will impact him while he's lagged from launching it, and anything else you should be far enough away from to not be hit by.

 

[Nocher]

doesn't really help with the smoke shield, but thanks.

anyone else care to take a shot at helping?

 

[Veehelm]

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[Nocher]

thanks really for the suggestions, now that i know how to use some almost sure fir moves, the whole "what the hell is he doing" mindgame will be gone and i can rest in peace.

 

[Gindler]

I fight a decent TL from time to time. And what i found out is yoshi Bair totally negates the boomerang and sometimes negates arrows if they don't hit you when you're tails all the way up or down, this usually annoys any TL user seeing his projectiles become useless to a tail and get punished for the short lag they get from each projectile. So again in this matchup, abuse the Bair and follow up with the combos.

 

[yostuffstank]

imo. falco is the hardest mofo to fight as yoshi. falco gets a free 40% on yoshi with his chain grab and his foward b recover spikes you so it's risky to go after a spike against falco. and don't get me started on his lazers.

 

[Nocher]

ya, i hove found a close match to your predicament, but against wolf, who is basically a powered up falco withour chaingrab, any help on him too would be helpfull

 

[Gindler]

I REALLY hate fighting wolf, all I can say is watch out for that uber gay Fsmash. If you shield it right you can punish but its hard to shield right cause you have to be spaced correctly which is a pain in the rump. Also his vertical recovery is insane, falco's is pathetic so a Dair to footstool should take him out...not with wolf, you have to dair footstool then edgehog which with yoshi's second jump is hard and if you egg throw to grab faster there's a chance wolf will still beat you there "/

 

[Nocher]

ok, it is now obvious that wolf is hard to beat, any good advice for beating him, rather than just saying what i have already found out?

 

[Shiri]

Hmm, that's funny. I posted like...half a page worth of stuff in here a few hours ago.

Guess it never went through. I'll post again tomorrow or something. About Wolf.

 

[Joeshi]

hey Nocher i play a decent wolf with my Yoshi and i usually win.I find the most annoying thing with wolf is his laser as it stops eggroll and stuns you and all that crap! So heres a strategy i use

If the wolf player starts to spam lasers side step the first shot jump the second and go into a Fair if close enough as soon as you hit the ground sheild.

Wolfs forward smash is annoying as hell and powerful i find wolf a hard char to read the tactic i find that works best is never sit still approach wolf with short hops and bairs the bair will cancel out the laser shots if timed right allowing you approach and get some dmg off. Also beware of his shield if the wolf player is good with shield stunning its tuff for yoshi to get off neutral A as good. Wolf is a tuff nut to crack with yoshi however any char can beat the other ill try to post vids of me and my friend playin but its not easy for me to do at the moment but ill try ill let you know when i do.

 

[Nocher]

thanks, also im makin my secondary char pt, so if i have too many problems with a lazer spammer ill just use ivysaurs razor leaf to hit him (it has the highest priority of any projectile and will keep going through anything(mabey not samus full blast but any laser or missile or really anything else))
also charizard has decent reach and big area attacks so ill use him too.
over all pt works well as a second for me because he can cover my yoshi's weak points

 

[Deleted member]

Wolf isnt so bad. Dont recklessly approach him. If its a big stage, u can out spam him with eggs because he lacks range, and when he starts to approach, RETS (reverse egg toss slides) work well to keep him at bay, since u want to rack up the damage quick to get him off stage, since he'll be winning on stage. Fsmash is annoying, very, so just try to pivot grab it, or just grab him out of it. his recovery sucks, so u better be gimping him, or else hes gonna win the match. I like retreating bairs, just because many wolves rely on u approaching stupidly and punishing with his crazy attacks, so causing him to approach is a good way to prevent this. Jump over his lasers if hes using them to approach, dont shield them, its what he wants u to do. I dont have an incredible amount of wolf experience, but his recovery is what u must capitilize on, since its not hard to edgeguard. Edgehogs, dairs, fairs, and nairs should seal the deal. I like to lure him near the edge because then a backthrow will get him off, u can push him a little with a defensive bair, then finish him. Thats all i got. Big stages are a plus in this matchup.

Edit: Ok i changed my mind, wolf is badass. U cant outspam him. Fsmash is very gay, but if he gets predictable with it u can spot dodge and bair him. But gimping still stands, just nair him , and dair works pretty well too if u can land it since he falls fast. if he is below the stage, edgehogs are a must since he has no control over his air movement after his up b.