It's a bit iffy to say that it just equals a stock when pulling it off. As I told you, you have to have nana close to you and it is very avoidable. I guess all these throw combos at KO percent that characters have are broken too. Especially that uthrow > rest that jiggs has. Sure people can DI the uthrow if they react or are prepared, but once it is pulled off, it equates to a "free stock".
That utilt from ganon and roy's charge B is also totally broken. Don't care how avoidable these moves are, once they are pulled off they equal death. Wobbling may be slightly easier to set up (aka, it is actually useful), but by your definition, these moves are just as "broken".
Edit: Tbh, the single climber chaingrab actually probably bothers me more as sheik, lol. That chaingrab also making it easier to get the wobble because you can use it until nana is ready to set it up =L
I happen to think that Jigg's rest combos are also "broken". Top tier is top tier, imo, because each of them happens to have some broken move/mechanic that can be spammed or abused with beneficial results. Ganon's utilt and roy's neutral B are not broken because they require the enemy to simply run into them. They cannot be set up for. No matter what you do, short of breaking the opponent's shield the enemy will always have enough time to get out of hitstun, react, and escape. As you said, wobbling requires Nana to be close, but once the it is set up, wobbling is inescapable and death is unavoidable.
Beat's answer is better.
No.
bubbaking, you have no idea what "completely broken" means. Something being broken means that it breaks the game, that it's (almost) unbeatable and makes pretty much everyone else unviable. If you think this is the case with wobbling then you're not following the competitive scene.
There are tons of stuff in this game that equate a free stock once you pull it off, and a lot of them are much easier to pull off than wobbling (not to mention that they are accessible to better characters), because landing a grab with ICs isn't exactly super easy.
If wobbling actually was broken, then ICs would be beating everyone else. That's the definution of the word.
So, as I said, ICs don't automatically win wobbling-legal tournaments, because wobbling isn't broken.
IMO, the term "broken" refers to something that potentially makes or 'breaks' a matchup. When I say 'make or break', I am not saying that it makes an MU extremely good or bad, but rather that it centralizes how that MU is played out, due to a general fear of that something. We already know about Jigg's rest combos on fast fallers, so as an example, I will talk about Sheik, who ***** most low tiers even harder than the spacies and Jiggs do. Amongst other things, this is largely due to Sheik's "broken" dthrow. It makes and breaks a lot of MUs. If Sheik dthrows a Samus, it equals a free fair or uair, which can translate to death in a lot of cases. Something being broken, imo, does not mean that it is almost unbeatable, but rather that it controls how a person would react to a certain char to the point that it hugely influences the outcome of the match.
I think Spacies (particularly Fox) are broken because, for the most part, they have no bad matchups. In your words, they make "pretty much everyone else unviable" (ok, maybe not unviable, but a lot less viable). They are broken chars with a broken move (shine), which isn't the only thing that makes them broken, in my eyes. A 1-frame move that is instantly cancellable, creates combos/mixups, gimps, and basically affords the user a small window of invincibility is simply too good to be true...but it is. Thank goodness Fox is such a hard char to learn and play or everyone would be in trouble right now.
Now, everyone, don't get all mad and start yelling at me. I'm simply stating my opinion on the issue and I acknowledge everyone who thinks I'm wrong or that my logic is messed up in some way. This is a pretty interesting topic.
I love playing fox against ICs. Even though my fox is awful and inconsistent. Don't understand how some people can find this matchup troublesome for fox... Like I think fox might even be the best against ICs. :D
I really think Peach is probably the ICs' worst MU, though...
Edit: I apologize if anything I'm saying now is redundant or untimely cuz I didn't read any posts after 9:10 PM on Monday. (>.<)
