TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[adumbrodeus]

I'm not answering questions on my specialty.



I would be willing to PM the answer to ONE person, first person who writes on my wall saying they'll do it, they must agree NOT to participate in this debate from the point that they get the answer forward.

Except Bowser's fire WAS explained to be realistic.

You have yet to PROVE the Gerudo people have super strength.
Even then, their body's physique doesn't allow for such baseless claims.

As I explained to JOE! fire is a suicide tactic, bowser lacks a false palette so he can't stop a backdraft.

 

[xepherthree]

@Joe: Estimate his average WITHOUT using Mario.

How? and why? Mario is a baseline. his height is known. Why should we guess something when we know something?

 

[JOE!]

@Salem: Good point you made there.

@Joe: Estimate his average WITHOUT using Mario.

theres no way he can ever jump 10feet in the air while being 8feet tall himself. with human proportions and his weight, its not happening.


as for the measurement, sure, I will measure him without using mario.

Present me with another CONSTANT in the mario universe that's size NEVER FLUCTUATES, so i can compare.

This item must also be in the PICTURES WITH BOWSER so i can actuall compare them by appearance


@Adum:

traps are not allowed, we went over this...

Ninja vs Spartan was just to show the ninja being Ninja-y, why would it even approach the spartan when he had ranged weapons from the tree?

 

[UncleSam]

Medieval Weaponry And Tactics?

I believe that's the reason why we let you decide the Fire Emblem MU.

first 2 words apply to me
4th applies to him.
but were like the same person so it wouldn't matter.
*brings back old joke*

 

[xepherthree]

I don't want to provide every source I got Bowser's height from. Find them yourself.

Why? Why can't you provide every source? If you're so confident bowser is 7ft, why won't you?

you're making a REAL convincing argument if you're telling your opponent to go look up facts because you won't tell them.

 

[Rsflone]

"The Gerudo (ゲルド?)) are a tribe of thieves who mainly are desert-dwellers. Distinguishing physical traits of Gerudo typically include bronzed skin, scarlet hair, aquiline noses, gold eyes and, unlike the Hylia, round ears. Apart from a single male born to the Gerudo every hundred years, the race consists entirely of women. By Gerudo law, this man must become king of the tribe.[13] Ganondorf, the main antagonist of the series, is one such man and is king of the Gerudo in Ocarina of Time. It is suggested that the Gerudo sometimes seek men from outside the tribe as sexual partners.[14]"

No where does it say anything bout super strength

 

[justaway12]

@Xep: If you're asking him to provide every game Bowser has been in, then that's too much, if you're asking about the pictures he got, I know the site.

 

[UncleSam]

Why? Why can't you provide every source? If you're so confident bowser is 7ft, why won't you?

you're making a REAL convincing argument if you're telling your opponent to go look up facts because you won't tell them.

http://www.bowsershrine.com/bowserprofile.php

Height: 9'3" or 282 cm (estimated)

Weight: 2,600 lbs or 1,180 kg (estimated)

still not 17ft

 

[adumbrodeus]

@Adum:

traps are not allowed, we went over this...

Ninja vs Spartan was just to show the ninja being Ninja-y, why would it even approach the spartan when he had ranged weapons from the tree?

They're wrong, that's not why he wins.


I also take issue with the traps thing, that's part of their arsenal, and they are given time to set them up because they need to find each other, I was establishing the potential for traps to be used.

first 2 words apply to me
4th applies to him.
but were like the same person so it wouldn't matter.
*brings back old joke*

*posts on self's wall*




I'm disappointed, nobody has taken me up on my offer, you guys are not gonna figure it out (or I'll be very surprised if you do).

 

[Rsflone]

"The Triforce of Power, a magical relic of the goddess Din, makes Ganon stronger yet, granting him powers such as transvection,[15] teleportation,[16] and superhuman strength. Further, the Triforce piece renders him nearly immortal"

The Triforce on the other hand states his super human strength but he doesnt get the tri force so it doesnt matter

 

[xepherthree]

http://www.bowsershrine.com/bowserprofile.php

Okay. Ray said bowser is 7ft.
Where does bowser shrine say bowser is 7ft?

 

[UncleSam]

Okay. Ray said bowser is 7ft.
Where does bowser shrine say bowser is 7ft?

I'm proving that it isn't 17ft
or 13ft

it's 9
Ganondorf is a little over 8

 

[Salem]

@Salem:I wasn't in the ZSS match up =/
Anyway, did the Gerudo every say something about super-strength?
If not, it's probably adrenaline

"The Gerudo (ゲルド?)) are a tribe of thieves who mainly are desert-dwellers. Distinguishing physical traits of Gerudo typically include bronzed skin, scarlet hair, aquiline noses, gold eyes and, unlike the Hylia, round ears. Apart from a single male born to the Gerudo every hundred years, the race consists entirely of women. By Gerudo law, this man must become king of the tribe.[13] Ganondorf, the main antagonist of the series, is one such man and is king of the Gerudo in Ocarina of Time. It is suggested that the Gerudo sometimes seek men from outside the tribe as sexual partners."

Wikipedia.
I should get a better source though.

But heres an cheap example of how high the gerudo females themselves can jump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qv-LJd2GEk

Ganon jumps MUCH higher then that in TP.

They aren't human, they obviously have to have they're own kind of super race or whatever.

Also ZSS got away with her chozo power, so why ganon can't SUDDENLY get away with his gerudo power?

 

[xepherthree]

I'm proving that it isn't 17ft

Well how does Bowser shrine know Bowser is 9ft?

 

[justaway12]

I'm disappointed, nobody has taken me up on my offer, you guys are not gonna figure it out (or I'll be very surprised if you do).

I want to know, but I don't want to go out of this debate

@Salem: I've just started watching that video.
First of all: Wiki is an okay site, just make sure to check the sources
The wiki didn't seem to describe them alot, to me they sounded like regular women, with drrak skin
and if they are only using their sword, then it wouldn't prove super-strength

Anyway, some jumps, she BARELY jumps over him, but that has nothing to do with Ganon, and Bowser is bigger than Link

 

[JOE!]

then we have him at 13

thats every appearance averaged out

 

[Rialdospaldacht]

Bowser - height, strength, defense, weight, range, and possibly fire advantage
Ganondorf- speed and smart advantage

...yeah.

 

[xepherthree]

Ganon jumps MUCH higher then that in TP.

They aren't human, they obviously have to have they're own kind of super race or whatever.

Also ZSS got away with her chozo power, so why ganon can't SUDDENLY get away with his gerudo power?

But Bowser can also breathe a constant stream of fire in many games with no injury at all. Or acid, if you don't want to believe what everyone else on this board believes. So just because they did it in the game doesn't mean its possible.

No, actually, they don't have to have their own super race. And just because they aren't human, why do they have to be super? Because you want them to be.

It's not "gerudo power". Where do you ever see gerudo's being super strong other then ganondorf? You don't. His "gerudo power", if he had one, would be stealth.

 

[Salem]

Also in wind waker ganon still jumped high and thats without the freakin triforce of power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWVw3h_rvd8

So i'm guessing ganon probably didn't even really use his triforce really to jump high like that in TP.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I want to know, but I don't want to go out of this debate

Thus the dilema, sam tried to get me to tell him once we had Falco v. M2 going, but I won't let anybody reserve it.



Honestly, I want somebody to know, because it's a *facepalm* moment once you realize it because it's so simple, but if you mess with the debate, what fun is that?

 

[xepherthree]

Also in wind waker ganon still jumped high and thats without the freakin triforce of power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWVw3h_rvd8

So i'm guessing ganon probably didn't even really use his triforce really to jump high like that in TP.

And going by that logic, link can jump even higher.

 

[JOE!]

boozer cant exits in RL?



just say it adum

 

[Salem]

Thus the dilema, sam tried to get me to tell him once we had Falco v. M2 going, but I won't let anybody reserve it.



Honestly, I want somebody to know, because it's a *facepalm* moment once you realize it because it's so simple, but if you mess with the debate, what fun is that?

adum...

You're more evil then sam.

Seriously.

 

[JOE!]

anywho, Peach won over ICs, and with bowser's stature over Ganon, i seriously do not see how ganon will win more often out of 1000

 

[Salem]

And going by that logic, link can jump even higher.

Young Link/Toon Link

TP Link can't do that.
Get it right. lol

@JOE!:

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[justaway12]

Also in wind waker ganon still jumped high and thats without the freakin triforce of power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWVw3h_rvd8

So i'm guessing ganon probably didn't even really use his triforce really to jump high like that in TP.

We shouldn't really use the triforce, it's magic >.>

and it doesn't look he jumped that high, maybe above TP link, but not over Bowser.

@Adum: If it's anything against Bowser, you can tell me, I don't really want Ganon to win >.>
Is it his shell?
His hair?...Could be >.>

 

[UncleSam]

adum...

You're more evil then sam.

Seriously.

nah, were the same amount of evil
harharhar

I'm sort of loling at this debate because I link sources and JOE doesn't listen, just because he wants bowser to win.
freakin LOL

 

[REL38]

Also in wind waker ganon still jumped high and thats without the freakin triforce of power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWVw3h_rvd8

So i'm guessing ganon probably didn't even really use his triforce really to jump high like that in TP.

His Triforce Power is already infused in him. There isn't need for "Ima usin' mah magic!" effects to utilize them. He just uses those powers.

And the Gerudo barely managed to jump 5 ft, but that's mostly due to their physique.

Ganon is far too bulky to achieve the same thing.

 

[xepherthree]

Young Link/Toon Link

TP Link can't do that.
Get it right. lol

@JOE!:

That doesn't even make sense.

Okay.
Well then, why are we using WW ganon but not WW link?
I don't see why you should compare different games to make you're own character look better

 

[Ray_Kalm]

@Joe: No lol, by average I mean, what's his most used height in all his games? That would be 7-8 feet.

@Xeph: Those gerudo thieves in gerudo valley jumped above the average human jumping height.

@Salem:

Also ZSS got away with her chozo power, so why ganon can't SUDDENLY get away with his gerudo power?

I'd like to know this too.

 

[justaway12]

@Xep:We are using all the Links and Ganons.

@Ray:Because NOTHING is said about Ganon being strong >.>

 

[JOE!]

@JOE!:

That doesn't even make sense.

what? that the fights here are out of 1000 liek the show it is based off of?

the 1000 fights allow some fights to be won due to silly circumstances, like bowser falling onto ganons sword *just* right, or bowser dying due to an unfortunate roll of the dice with fire breath.

as for the stature, stature means size....meaning he is much bigger, thus harder for ganon to kill more often in the 1000 fights

@RAY:

Samus did not have choze power, she had chozo genes.

there is no evidence of gerudo posessing significant abilities for just being a Gerudo, only Ganondorf has shown anything significantly super-human, and he ha steh triforce of power and dark magic aiding him.

We cannot do an average height for bowser becaus ehe doesnt have a constant height. Thats why it is an average of all his appearances

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Okay.
Well then, why are we using WW ganon but not WW link?
I don't see why you should compare different games to make you're own character look better

Because WW Link is a separate character in brawl.

@REL: I find it hilarious at how you're limiting Ganon as much as possible.

 

[xepherthree]

@Xep:We are using all the Links and Ganons.

@Ray:Because NOTHING is said about Ganon being strong >.>

Well then we can take WW links jumping ability.

 

[justaway12]

I think so...
Ask JOE!

 

[UncleSam]

this is sad.

Bowser was the creation of Nintendo designer and producer Shigeru Miyamoto. Miyamoto had first envisioned Bowser as an ox, basing him on the Ox King from the Toei Animation film Alakazam the Great. However, Nintendo designer Takashi Tezuka pointed out to Miyamoto that the character looked more like a turtle than an ox. Despite popular misconception, Bowser is, in fact, supposed to be a turtle, not a dragon

MOAR PROOF
BOWSER IS A TURTLE
HIS SCALES AND SCUTES ARE MADE OF KERATIN
TEMPERED STEEL > KERATIN

 

[justaway12]

They THEMSELVES called him a Koopa

 

[Ray_Kalm]

I'm sort of loling at this debate because I link sources and JOE doesn't listen, just because he wants bowser to win.
freakin LOL

I second this.

 

[Salem]

what? that the fights here are out of 1000 liek the show it is based off of?

the 1000 fights allow some fights to be won due to silly circumstances, like bowser falling onto ganons sword *just* right, or bowser dying due to an unfortunate roll of the dice with fire breath.

as for the stature, stature means size....meaning he is much bigger, thus harder for ganon to kill more often in the 1000 fights

No...

Just the bowser not existing thing.
That's all.

@Just

Then Ganon would also have his second sword and trident, oh yeah don't forget his dagger thing.

Please, we aren't using all of them, just one specific one.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

They THEMSELVES called him a Koopa

You do know that Koopa is the name they gave Bowser in Japan?