TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[justaway12]

Oh, I see...
I thought you guys did something that makes it make sense...
whatever =/

@Ray: The storyline for Super Mario Bros.1 said he came from a dark Koopa race =/

 

[Salem]

They THEMSELVES called him a Koopa

But he's suppose to be a turtle so why can't we use that?

Thats why comparing him to animals should be allowed. >_>

 

[JOE!]

guys, im not just pulling for bowser, im pulling for a straight answer, every site shown to me says something different, how can i use them?

Instead, i did something more logical and put results together myself.

bowser, averaging out all the appearances given to me, is 13ft tall. end of story.


as for the sword, yeah, it wil hurt bowser, but is it good vs his shell?

is it long enough to hit his spine like you said?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Even more proof that Bowser is a turtle below:

The leader and most powerful of the turtle-like Koopa race, Bowser is Mario's archenemy, usually kidnapping Princess Peach and attempting to conquer the Mushroom Kingdom.

"Turtle-like." There you have it. Bowser should get limitations such as a turtle.

 

[justaway12]

Salem, read my last post.
@Ray, wait.

 

[JOE!]

he is turtle like...thats like calling a man ape-like...doesnt mean they are a gorilla.


Seriously, imma call this now, we are going over the same **** over and over and getting nowhere besides:

OMG BOOZER IS TURTLE, GANON IS SUPERMAN CUS HE IS GERUDO, HWNE WE HAZ NO EVIDENCE OF GERUDOS BEING SUPER-HUMAN!!!!!

Bowser is too big to lose out of 1000...Peach is ironically too good to lose to 2 kids o_O


new MU soon.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Sam's out, he got the first wall post promising to be out of this debate.


Sam, you KNOW I will find you if reveal this.


(Being that he's me, he'll be easy to find, lol)

 

[Rsflone]

Yea and Koopa is bassed of the legendary japanese Kappa so even less turtle

and I dont believe Ganons jumping matter this is getting out of hand for the tiniest details out of 1000 matches bowser takes it

Lets move on...

 

[UncleSam]

guys, im not just pulling for bowser, im pulling for a straight answer, every site shown to me says something different, how can i use them?

Instead, i did something more logical and put results together myself.

bowser, averaging out all the appearances given to me, is 13ft tall. end of story.


as for the sword, yeah, it wil hurt bowser, but is it good vs his shell?

is it long enough to hit his spine like you said?

A turtles spine is directly connected to the shell
the spine is partially infused to the shell. it's shell is made of keratin and bone, both of which can be broken/pierced through by Ganondorf's sheer force and sword.
EDIT: my last informal post for this debate

 

[Ray_Kalm]

ok, ill listen to the guy that said a man in RL can caus ea n earthquake with his fist, and didnt know melee existed

new match will be up soon



@adum:

Sam posted in the debate.... <.<

You are seriously one of the most OP I have ever seen.

You said:

he is turtle like...thats like calling a man ape-like...doesnt mean they are a gorilla

I replied:

By that logic Ganon is human-like, thus not a human. Human (人間 Ningen) is the fanon name given to the human-like race that does not display the characteristics of the Hylians/Sheikahs (long ears) or the Gerudo (big nose) and in general seems to be identitical to real world-humans. They sometimes live together with Hylians in villages or towns, probably due to the many [COLOR=#7EE983 ! important][COLOR=#7EE983 ! important]physical[/color][/color] similarities the two races share.

Hell, EVEN MORE proof that Bowser's a turtle.

Koopa Troopa

Koopa Troopas (Nokonoko (ノコノコ?) in Japan) are turtle-like creatures. They come in multiple colors, including, green, red, blue, and yellow. They first walked on four legs, but in later games they have both hands and feet. Their shells may be used as projectiles, which have become a fixture in all Mario Kart games. Most Koopas are members of the Koopa Troop (Bowser's army,) but both Super Mario 64 and the Paper Mario series include friendly Koopas, whose names are Koopa the Quick (Super Mario 64) and Kooper (Paper Mario.) Flying versions with wings, first introduced in Super Mario Bros., are called Koopa Paratroopas. Both Koopa Troopas and Koopa Paratroopas make cameo appearances in Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl as enemies.

And then you just ignored this post and quickly tried ending the match-up.

 

[justaway12]

No, wait, they were right, he was called a legendary koopa turtle =/

But there is still no such thing as a koopa =/

 

[JOE!]

stuff

ok, ill listen to the guy that said a man in RL can caus ea n earthquake with his fist, and didnt know melee existed

new match will be up soon



@adum:

Sam posted in the debate.... <.<

 

[adumbrodeus]

ok, ill listen to the guy that said a man in RL can caus ea n earthquake with his fist, and didnt know melee existed

new match will be up soon



@adum:

Sam posted in the debate.... <.<

A turtles spine is directly connected to the shell
the spine is partially infused to the shell. it's shell is made of keratin and bone, both of which can be broken/pierced through by Ganondorf's sheer force and sword.
EDIT: my last informal post for this debate

He sent that before I sent the PM, so it's cool.


Notice how he didn't give auto-win info?


That's cause he didn't have it yet.



Edit: FOOTSTEPS cause earthquakes, just really tiny ones. Earthquakes are just vibrations in the earth.

 

[Beren Zaiga]

Ganon is lighter so he jumps higher...

A 200-300 pound man cannot vertically jump 7 feet in RL. Try again.


I'm out guys, this headache I am having right now is making it harder for me to think clearly.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

What, Joe Is so ****en biased. lol, who cares, go ahead and make Bowser win.

 

[Salem]

No, wait, they were right, he was called a legendary koopa turtle =/

But there is still no such thing as a koopa =/

See?

We just need the turtle part to confirm he is at the least part turtle.

@Ray:

Who said Bowser is gonna win?
Ganon has his gerudo strength, just like how ZSS is allowed to have her chozo power.

Its not game over.

 

[REL38]

Because WW Link is a separate character in brawl.

@REL: I find it hilarious at how you're limiting Ganon as much as possible.

And I find it funny how you make the baseless claim that the Gerudo race posess super strength without giving any solid evidence of them posessing such a power.

As well as how Ganon can't possibly jump that high without the aid of his magic, because with his body physique, he cannot possibly jump over 10 feet without some form of magic.

The Gerudo can jump over 5 feet (they barely jump over Link), because of their body physique, being slim, but possessing most of their strength in their legs allowing for jumps that high.

Ganon has no super strength aside from the assistence of his Magic, but that's not allowed.

He only has normal jumping capabilities and strength of that of a normal human as the Gerudo display no higher display of strength.


Give me proof, or he has no super strength inherited from the Gerudo who have shown no super strength in any of the Zelda games.

What, Joe Is so ****en biased. lol, who cares, go ahead and make Bowser win.

And another fanboy goes away disappointed that his character lost.
How sad . . . I remember when Olimar lost to Bowser too . . . it was a sad, sad day.

 

[UncleSam]

Everybody is missing the point

 

[Ray_Kalm]

ok, ill listen to the guy that said a man in RL can caus ea n earthquake with his fist, and didnt know melee existed

new match will be up soon

@adum:

Sam posted in the debate.... <.<

You are seriously one of the most biased OP I have ever seen.

You said:

he is turtle like...thats like calling a man ape-like...doesnt mean they are a gorilla

I replied:

By that logic Ganon is human-like, thus not a human. Human (人間 Ningen) is the fanon name given to the human-like race that does not display the characteristics of the Hylians/Sheikahs (long ears) or the Gerudo (big nose) and in general seems to be identitical to real world-humans. They sometimes live together with Hylians in villages or towns, probably due to the many [COLOR=#7EE983 ! important][COLOR=#7EE983 ! important]physical[/color][/color] similarities the two races share.

Hell, EVEN MORE proof that Bowser's a turtle.

Koopa Troopa

Koopa Troopas (Nokonoko (ノコノコ?) in Japan) are turtle-like creatures. They come in multiple colors, including, green, red, blue, and yellow. They first walked on four legs, but in later games they have both hands and feet. Their shells may be used as projectiles, which have become a fixture in all Mario Kart games. Most Koopas are members of the Koopa Troop (Bowser's army,) but both Super Mario 64 and the Paper Mario series include friendly Koopas, whose names are Koopa the Quick (Super Mario 64) and Kooper (Paper Mario.) Flying versions with wings, first introduced in Super Mario Bros., are called Koopa Paratroopas. Both Koopa Troopas and Koopa Paratroopas make cameo appearances in Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl as enemies.

And then you just ignored this post and quickly tried ending the match-up.

 

[justaway12]

You still haven't proved Ganon was strong, or could jump above Bowser >.>

 

[Ray_Kalm]

And I find it funny how you make the baseless claim that the Gerudo race posess super strength without giving any solid evidence of them posessing such a power.

As well as how Ganon can't possibly jump that high without the aid of his magic, because with his body physique, he cannot possibly jump over 10 feet without some form of magic.

The Gerudo can jump over 5 feet (they barely jump over Link), because of their body physique, being slim, but possessing most of their strength in their legs allowing for jumps that high.

Ganon has no super strength aside from the assistence of his Magic, but that's not allowed.

He only has normal jumping capabilities and strength of that of a normal human as the Gerudo display no higher display of strength.


Give me proof, or he has no super strength inherited from the Gerudo who have shown no super strength in any of the Zelda games.

You go ahead and make a baseless claim yourself, and you're telling me.

And another fanboy goes away disappointed that his character lost.
How sad . . . I remember when Olimar lost to Bowser too . . . it was a sad, sad day.

lol. I wouldn't be surprised that Bowser wins this thread because of the TO. Whoever Joe wants to win would win, he's the biggest fan boy here.

 

[payasofobia]

Does it have to do with his shell not being sewn to bowser's body?

Basicaly making the shell fall of and making him no different than Ganon?

 

[JOE!]

no, the same points have been posted and reposted. Bowser is too big.

ganon CANNOT PERFORM SUPER-HUMAN ACTS, case closed.


As for the current MU:

mewtwo gets Psychic powers......


But falco gets this:

 

[Beren Zaiga]

You are seriously one of the most OP I have ever seen.

You said:


I replied:

By that logic Ganon is human-like, thus not a human. Human (人間 Ningen) is the fanon name given to the human-like race that does not display the characteristics of the Hylians/Sheikahs (long ears) or the Gerudo (big nose) and in general seems to be identitical to real world-humans. They sometimes live together with Hylians in villages or towns, probably due to the many [COLOR=#7EE983 ! important][COLOR=#7EE983 ! important]physical[/color][/color] similarities the two races share.

Hell, EVEN MORE proof that Bowser's a turtle.

Koopa Troopa

Koopa Troopas (Nokonoko (ノコノコ?) in Japan) are turtle-like creatures. They come in multiple colors, including, green, red, blue, and yellow. They first walked on four legs, but in later games they have both hands and feet. Their shells may be used as projectiles, which have become a fixture in all Mario Kart games. Most Koopas are members of the Koopa Troop (Bowser's army,) but both Super Mario 64 and the Paper Mario series include friendly Koopas, whose names are Koopa the Quick (Super Mario 64) and Kooper (Paper Mario.) Flying versions with wings, first introduced in Super Mario Bros., are called Koopa Paratroopas. Both Koopa Troopas and Koopa Paratroopas make cameo appearances in Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl as enemies.

And then you just ignored this post and quickly tried ending the match-up.

Never mind, my headache has receded for the moment.

Wrong. Bowser is an evolved Koopa Troopa. Stop comparing him to parts of his species less evolved than he is. Your attempt to make him a Turtle by outright generalization is horrible and should be denied.

http://www.mariowiki.com/Bowser

Read.

 

[Salem]

Ganon doesn't have super human strength, he has Gerudo Strength like how ZSS is allowed to have her Chozo Power.

^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS

 

[JOE!]

@ray again:

i gave ganon options, i made this MU thinking it would be cool.

I took away Bowser's fire...

In the end, YOU POSTED TEH SIZE CLAIM THAT SEALED GANON's FATE!

if you never came in here complaining about his size, I would have never taken the time to actually go out, and discover that averaged out, he is 13ft


@SALEM:

She did not have chozo power, she had Chozo DNA. that is different, and as Ive said, along with many others:

Gerudo do not display anything special when it comes to physical prowess, only ganondorf does and he has magic assistance

 

[Ray_Kalm]

You still haven't proved Ganon was strong, or could jump above Bowser >.>

I did. You guys just counter-argue that humans can't jump that high.

 

[justaway12]

@Salem:But there is no such thing as Gerudo strenght >.>

Did the game mention Gerudo strenght, no it didn't find proof, not baseless claims >.>

@Ray: Forgeting the fact the he is bulky >.>
He just barely jumped over Link, Link is smaller than Bowser

 

[adumbrodeus]

No para.


You guys still not getting your answer, Sam gets his little award, and one of us will probably bring up the answer in a later match-up, it's up to you guys to be smart enough to realize "this is why Ganondorf wins! *facepalm*".

 

[Salem]

Then ZSS shouldn't have won cause of her chozo power.

BS I call.

Edit:

DNA?

Please, Racisim. lol

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ganon doesn't have super human strength, he has Gerudo Strength like how ZSS is allowed to have her Chozo Power.

^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS

Ganondorf doesn't get full strength because full strength is simply unrealistic, he'd essential be the juggernaut.


He gets top of what is humanly possible, anything beyond that is unrealistic.


Edit: With his frame of course, whatever the source, it's still a realistic power.

 

[Rsflone]

I have a question how has Falco/Fox/Wolf Have won anything if this is IRL they cant hold guns isnt that why Sonic has been useless if Falco can shoot a gun which obviously birds dont have hands so cant wouldnt that mean Sonic gets his super speed???

 

[kirbywizard]

Ganon doesn't have super human strength, he has Gerudo Strength like how ZSS is allowed to have her Chozo Power.

^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS

Tell me how do the Gerudo gain this strength when their body structure is almost the same as a human >_>. You guys have never told me how he gets this strenghth

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Eh, I don't really care about this anymore. REL38, Beren Zaiga, and Xepherthree are just clueless losers who want Bowser to win.

You know threads start getting gay when the TO wants the character who he likes to win.

Just so you guys know, Bowser will probably win this thread because Joe wanted him to.

 

[justaway12]

@Salem: It was proven that she DID have Chozo power, there is no such thing as Gerudo power unless you prove it, stop making baseless cliams >_>.

@Current MU: Mewtwo could stop things with his minds, then why not?
Unless it's like Lucas vs. Mewtwo

 

[JOE!]

they have hands, theyre anthro's, not the actual animals, more like hybrids of humans and animals.

they can hold weaponary.

Sonic is useless because his anatomy is soooooo silly.

 

[REL38]

You go ahead and make a baseless claim yourself, and you're telling me.

That humanoid beings must still abide by humanoid limitations?
A gorilla can't jump 10 feet and a muslce bound guy can't jump 10 feet.

Gerudo woman jumped over link, who is over 5ft. tall. That requires high levels of toned muscle which is plausible due to them being theives. The tone also makes them more lighweight allowing for better height.

Ganon is more bulk which doesn't mean he can jump like the woman of his race can.
He is far too heavy to do that.

lol. I wouldn't be surprised that Bowser wins this thread because of the TO. Whoever Joe wants to win would win, he's the biggest fan boy here.

 

[payasofobia]

Mewtwo wins.

If a kid with light-speed one-hit kills or the ultimate indestructible force could barely get a draw with him, then a guy in a plane is going to do much worse.


Besides:

 

[adumbrodeus]

On to the current match-up.


Ray, given what we know, Bowser should win. There's just a certain essential piece of information that you're missing.




Also, Mewtwo detects Falco, Mewtwo uses Telekinesis to crush some essential part of the ship, ship blows up, match-up over, his sniping just doesn't have the range to beat out his myriad methods of psionic detection.

 

[JOE!]

Eh, I don't really care about this anymore. REL38, Beren Zaiga, and Xepherthree are just clueless losers who want Bowser to win.

You know threads start getting gay when the TO wants the character who he likes to win.

Just so you guys know, Bowser will probably win this thread because Joe wanted him to.

all 3 of these guys have been here for a while and are great contributors, you on the other hand, Mr Ganon Main, come in here, ***** about bowser's size, making me actually figure out what his average would be, then denying it and say im wrong?

then you go out and make Ganon have super-powers which he wouldnt have in the real world just to make him win?

Who sounds more bias here?



@current Match:

the arwings speed wont have any effect? and isnt it an assumption that Mewtwo would know the ins and outs of a ship...from an alein race?