Social The Bowser Social Thread

[Bing]

I tried bumping it, then someone asked a question...good times...

 

[E-102 Gamma]

The bowser threads are more dead than my deceased goldfish.

Your deceased goldfish is a zombie?

 

[bubbaking]

That's a great social thread topic. How dead are we? XD

I tried bumping it, then someone asked a question...good times...

The best part is that my question(s) probably revived the Bowser boards to the most activity they've had since a year ago.

 

[Vash the Stampede]

Your deceased goldfish is a zombie?

No, it's just plain dead.

 

[odinNJ]

i knew that something was off this morning, then i noticed that there was a post in these board and i pinched myself to check if i was awake.

 

[standardtoaster]

I miss the bowser is a cat thread

 

[odinNJ]

people kind of lost interest. i wish that it became an actual social. ill try again sometime.

 

[E-102 Gamma]

Who else is subscribed to the entire Bowser boards?

 

[bubbaking]

I am.

 

[odinNJ]

Im gonna latch on to this bump and say

" edge canceled bair into bup"

That is all

 

[E-102 Gamma]

" edge canceled bair into bup"

That is all

You just did 45% damage and either left yourself wide open to retaliation or helped your opponent recover. Smooth.

 

[odinNJ]

im assuming the bup leads to a ledge grab and hax ledge attack

 

[bubbaking]

Do you mean edge cancelled bair > DJ land on stage > upB to ledge, perhaps?

 

[E-102 Gamma]

I guess that does put them in roughly the same spot as a SHFFL'd Bair would at lower percents.

If they're at higher %s, though, it would probably be better to just semi-spike them with the Bair. Or so I would think, anyway.

 

[odinNJ]

At low percents it could've give a nice piece of Damage. (also revive
G this thread). But I definitely think at low percents this could be useful

 

[Gimpyfish62]

how about edge cancel dair to fair

that one is fun

 

[E-102 Gamma]

how about edge cancel dair to fair

that one is fun

Brb, practicing this.

 

[bubbaking]

That one sounds more practical. No offense to odinNJ, but what business does Bowser have racking damage when he should be edgeguarding every time the opponent is offstage?

Edit: The damage comes from the edgeguards.

 

[standardtoaster]

What does bowser do after 100% and he can't do his good ledge attack?

 

[bubbaking]

On Yoshi's, ledgejump (or hop, can't remember) lands perfectly on the side platforms. Everywhere else, I guess you can ledgehop fair/Klaw mixup. Also, sometimes I just ledgehop > upB and try to muscle my way onto the stage with my super low landing lag.

Edit: And don't forget flame cancelling.

 

[TheGoat]

up-b oos is actually pretty good

 

[E-102 Gamma]

What does bowser do after 100% and he can't do his good ledge attack?

Ledgehop or ledge roll, mostly. It's pretty easy to follow a ledgehop up with various stuff, like bairs, nairs, fairs, or wavelands to up-B (or flame cancels if you're playing on v1.0, as bubbaking said).

 

[bubbaking]

Ledgeroll is super, duper risky. After 100%, the getup is slow (which is normal for all characters) and the roll, itself, is even slower (which is NOT normal for all characters)!

Edit: Oh, unless Standardtoaster is asking about ledgehogging (he never specified), in which case I guess Boozer's ledgeroll is really good.

 

[E-102 Gamma]

Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

people super overrate his ledge attack under 100% because they play against bad players that don't punish you for doing it

like, bowser is still the same character over 100%

he's a tiny bit worse because of lacking a tool, but it's not the be all end all of bowser, as it's just as abusable as everything else lol

it's better for edgeguarding than for anything else IMO.

 

[bubbaking]

Yeah, even in P:M, if I'm facing Boozer and I know my opponent likes to spam ledge attack below 100%, I just shield at the ledge and shieldgrab him when he returns from his little 'attack roll' thing. Sometimes, I go for clanks too, 'cause that also doesn't usually go well for him. Gotta mix it up.

 

[E-102 Gamma]

I saw a video of a Marth player who would just chink Bowser's <100% ledge attack, leaving Bowser miles wide open for punishment.

Btw, how exactly did we forget the ledgehopped Bowser Bomb? No Bowser main is pro without a complete and total mastery of it.

 

[Purpletuce]

So I was browsing the Melee character specific and I saw the last post here was from E-102 Gamma. I thought . . . that guy sounds familiar! Then I thought why? You're that guy who is in my area, who talks about playing competitive smash, but won't play competitive smash. I would have thought you would be done talking about smash by now. Gimpyfish went to a tourney in your city (Portland) btw.

TLDR: E-102 Gamma should play smash.

 

[E-102 Gamma]

Sheesh, you act like I refuse to go to events or something.

I would very much like to start attending such events (and participating in them, whenever I can do so for free). The problem is it's not convenient for me to do so, mostly because I don't have any reliable transportation.

That, and I'm some 4 months out of practice because I just haven't gotten any opportunities to play Smash with anyone who is any good. I can't even practice by myself because my dad replaced the CRT that my Wii was hooked up to with an LCD TV that lags. While I'm not scared of losing, I'd rather not play like I just picked up a controller yesterday. Getting humiliated isn't fun.

Gimpyfish went to a tourney in your city (Portland) btw.

When was this?

 

[Purpletuce]

As a Bowser main with no competitive(as in serious players) experience, your first matches are going to be hard. (My first match against a serious player, I played Marth and got 4 stocked by a Falco.) Practicing against computers will help your tech skill, but that really doesn't take much for Bowser. It is a loop. . . you play better against people who are better than you, after you play people that are better than you. I would say the only things you need to start playing decent for Bowser is UpB OoS, L-cancels and edge cancel UpB. There are other things that are good, but I doubt there is anything else for Bowser that is a big deal. Once you can do those, you're probably 90% as ready as you can be for playing seriously, without playing seriously.

Gimpy was at BestBout last Saturday. It is a monthly in Portland.

 

[bubbaking]

IMO, Bowser is 90% edgeguarding successfully, 10% Klaw.

I can't even practice by myself because my dad replaced the CRT that my Wii was hooked up to with an LCD TV that lags.

I can relate, man, I can relate.....

#ThatFeel

 

[E-102 Gamma]

Practicing against computers will help your tech skill, but that really doesn't take much for Bowser.

I find that playing against CP's is detrimental to my skill overall because of how differently the AI players play as compared to human players. I'd also be practicing on an LCD, which would mess up my timing, so playing against the bots just seems like a bad idea.

I would say the only things you need to start playing decent for Bowser is UpB OoS, L-cancels and edge cancel UpB. There are other things that are good, but I doubt there is anything else for Bowser that is a big deal. Once you can do those, you're probably 90% as ready as you can be for playing seriously, without playing seriously.

IMO, Bowser is 90% edgeguarding successfully, 10% Klaw.

You both forgot about mindgames. They're really important when you're playing as Bowser, since you have to do stuff before your opponent does.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

surprised i never saw this thread.

so up-b jump cancels on platforms and can be used as a pretty serious mindgame. i've been experimenting with it recently. hopefully i can get some sort of videos up.

 

[bubbaking]

You both forgot about mindgames. They're really important when you're playing as Bowser, since you have to do stuff before your opponent does.

False. A lot of Bowser's gameplay is actually reactionary. Mindgames are important, though.

so up-b jump cancels on platforms and can be used as a pretty serious mindgame. i've been experimenting with it recently. hopefully i can get some sort of videos up.

How do you............jump cancel an upB? Do you mean edgecancel?

 

[Purpletuce]

Note I was talking about technical skill, so obviously I omitted mindgames. If you're not playing with friends or practicing tech skill, are you just theory crafting on the boards? That won't really get you far. . . :\ your choices I guess. Time for me to eat soup.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

How do you............jump cancel an upB? Do you mean edgecancel?

it's hard for me to explain, but you can do it yourself. time it so that your up b is starting AS SOON as your jump is going to end on top of the platform. around that exact frame, up-b and instead of hovering up, you'll cancel your jump and spin perfectly on the platform.

i think it can be really useful. looking forward to video footage against good players soon.

 

[bubbaking]

Ahhh, I see. So you get a grounded upB with applicable frames out of a jump to a platform....nice.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Yep! i've never seen dj, wk, or gimpy use it, so i'm really looking to pioneer something new here.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

i love when people say "mindgames" like they know what that actually means

its like DONT FORGET ABOUT MINDGAMES GUYS

 

[standardtoaster]

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