The Graveyard: Disconfirmed Character Thread (SAKURAAAAAAAAAI!)

[Pikmin1211]

Nintendog isn't iconic to Nintendo as such, because they're... well, just dogs. They look exactly like real life dogs, just with a fancy name to rep Nintendo. Saying that a Nintendog is iconic to Nintendo is basically saying that a real life puppy is iconic to Nintendo too, there's nothing distinct about them in terms of looks to really make them stand out. The Nintendogs series is iconic for sure, but the dogs themselves aren't, and thus it's absolutely fine that the franchise is limited to ATs and stages.

This.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The main problems about Nintendog is the amount of PETA controversy and the "photorealistic" look that doesn't make the puppy suitable for fighting. Originally I thought his chances were about 1/4 due Sakurai changing his mind on many things, but I guess he wants to keep the Nintendog as an AT still.

 

[Pikmin1211]

The main problems about Nintendog is the amount of PETA controversy and the "photorealistic" look that doesn't make the puppy suitable for fighting. Originally I thought his chances were about 1/4 due Sakurai changing his mind on many things, but I guess he wants to keep the Nintendog as an AT still.

Again, the real problem would be awkward animations (especially with jumping) awkward sizing and nonexistant moveset.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Nintendog would simply animate like a regular dog.
Nintendog's size would be pretty short, as shown here:

But setting these aside, Nintendog's chances are nearly dead.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Nearly dead?

 

[Pikmin1211]

Nintendog would simply animate like a regular dog.
Nintendog's size would be pretty short, as shown here:

But setting these aside, Nintendog's chances are nearly dead.

In that case, He would not only be the Shortest character, but also one of the longest. And that jumping would be awkward as crap.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Nearly dead?

Labrador Retriever is the last bit of Nintendog's chances.
And that's only 0.1%.

 

[Pikmin1211]

Labrador Retriever is the last bit of Nintendog's chances.
And that's only 0%.

Fixed it for ya.
You're welcome.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Still can't take anything out to make it a zero.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Labrador Retriever is the last bit of Nintendog's chances.
And that's only 0.1%.

Oh you!

 

[Networker1]

Is PETA actually able to do anything? Or do they just complain and make lame gory flash games.

I suppose what I mean is: does anyone care about what PETA says other than PETA?

 

[Arcadenik]

PETA being the stupid people they are, would probably frown upon a puppy being a fighter. Regardless, of how it was implemented.

Maybe not a photorealistic puppy... but what about a cartoony anthropomorphic dog? Duck Hunt Dog for the win!

 

[BluePikmin11]

I suppose what I mean is: does anyone care about what PETA says other than PETA?

Most of Smashboards don't even care about PETA, they only just bring it out as an argument against Nintendog. Remember the time we were against PETA for making a bloody gory Pokemon game.
Me myself don't really care about PETA.

 

[Networker1]

:quote:
Most of Smashboards don't even care about PETA, they only just bring it out as an argument against Nintendog. Remember the time we were against PETA for making a bloody gory Pokemon game. :quote:

That was kind of my point, since PETA can't do anything, why bring them up?

P.S. Smashboards won't let me hit reply, so I'm attempting to manually input the quote.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Nintendog's size would be pretty short, as shown here:

 

[BluePikmin11]

The only time PETA would sue Nintendo is if Nintendog had blood coming out, which a very unlikely situation for Sakurai. In fact he would know with common sense to not do that at all.

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Awesome picture you got there.
Now I really want Nintendog to be in.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Nintendog would simply animate like a regular dog.
Nintendog's size would be pretty short, as shown here:

But setting these aside, Nintendog's chances are nearly dead.

What about Ridleydog? Maybe all of our problems are over!

 

[FinalStarmen]

Is PETA actually able to do anything? Or do they just complain and make lame gory flash games.

I suppose what I mean is: does anyone care about what PETA says other than PETA?

The problem with these histrionic attention-seeking whores (not my word, theirs) is that they'll attract any sort of negative publicity towards whatever they rallying against, no matter how laughably ridiculous their efforts actually are (the conceptualization of PornETA.xxx, for example, and I am not making this up). A circus show with these clowns is not the sort of publicity Nintendo needs right now.

Even if Nintendo were to adopt tactical ignoring as a behavioral management strategy against these bird-brained imbeciles (and just outright include a Nintendog character), there is still the divisive issue of whether or not certain players would feel uncomfortable actually fighting a photo-realistic domestic canine (considering all the other animalistic characters are rendered within a cartoon-y atmospheric look). There would be some problems.

 

[Sobreviviente]

there is still the divisive issue of whether or not certain players would feel uncomfortable actually fighting a photo-realistic domestic canine (considering all the other animalistic characters are rendered within a cartoon-y atmospheric look). There would be some problems.

Well i feel that with pikachu back in the day, i thoutgh he was a cat and was being electrocuted, and to this day, snake's realistic granades and sheik needless seems out of place to me, or punching ness in the face with a sword, but no body else seems to care.

There are many games where you use realistic cute animals to fight, i honestly dont see the problem, are we forgetting this is smash, a nintendo game? is about have fun with friends and family, and the dogs will actually promote exactly that, dont you think?

 

[Deleted member]

What kind of sick family would want to play a game where you can bash a regular little puppy's face in?


Ridley is best dog, by the way.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I agree with you completely Sob, nobody really cares about the violence being put onto characters.
That's why I probably don't seem bothered by a dog being beaten up with Link's sword.

 

[APC99]

Do remember Super Smash Bros. is the game where you can use swords, space-tech pistols, explosives, piercing arrows, sharp needles, hammers, sawblades and even an axe to electrocute, burn, freeze or drown many different opponents, some being children, women, adorable little creatures or endangered apes.

I doubt a puppy throwing tennis balls would be a problem.

 

[FlareHabanero]

What kind of sick family would want to play a game where you can bash a regular little puppy's face in?

My family.

Me, Myself, and I.

 

[APC99]

My family.

Me, Myself, and I.

I'm not sure whether to be disgusted, or to be extremely pleased by this.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm not sure whether to be disgusted, or to be extremely pleased by this.

Don't see how it's any different from beating the children and women with swords.

 

[APC99]

Don't see how it's any different from beating the children and women with swords.

There's also the fact you can beat them with baseball bats and bomb them.

I'm fairly certain that Nintendog's OK.

 

[Jumpman84]

Maybe the Labrador will be a tag team character with Sakurai's cat .

Nintendog + Cat

 

[FinalStarmen]

Given the current mainstream media's tendencies for over-hyped sensationalism, biased inclinations against the video-game industry in general, and the constant demands of PETA's attention whoring usually being satisfied, I'd have no doubt if concerns were drawn to a Nintendog character's playability in a fighting game, there will be an overblown situation that would result in bad publicity for all involved.

Herein is where the issue truly lies: if PETA draws the attention of the media towards the Nintendog in Super Smash Brothers, not only will it turn into a media circus act against Nintendo, but it may also draw the attention of other animal rights advocacy groups. They will be the harbingers of reason that media organizations will actually listen to as authorities on this matter, and soon enough Nintendo will have it's family-friendly reputation at stake.

Are there double standards held for categorical differences between human beings being violently injured (Link, Sheik, Snake, Ness) and animals being violently injured (Pikachu)? It's certainly debatable, and I would actually agree it is hypocritical. Whether you believe it to be so or not, there will be reactionary arguments involved between both parties, and Masahiro Sakurai would do well to avoid such an incident. There are several members on this board who would already feel uncomfortable with this idea for this very reason. Again, it may be hypocritical, but that's the way it is.

Considering PETA has once awarded Nintendogs their Best Animal-Friendly Video Game 2006, they are very much aware of their existence. Put a Nintendog in a fighting game as a playable character, and you'll have PETA hot on Nintendo's ass like a Doberman chasing a steak, bringing along all the other animal rights advocacy groups. No good will come from this, only bad publicity.

Am I saying these events will play out as accordingly? No, not exactly - if it turns out I'm wrong, I will admit as such. Yet, I'd rather play it safe then be sorry.



Even then, why would anybody want to include a boring, bland, banal Nintendog in the first place? Because we need to represent a series simply for the sake of representation?

Considering the limitations on newcomers this time around, it would be a slot-wasting detritus of a lackluster character, especially one that would instill no excitement nor anticipation - simply all because it is a milquetoast, nothing-special, run-of-the-mill dog. Family-friendly or not, there is a whole character roster selection that would provide the satisfactory needs of a casual family game night - Nintendogs won't change this.

A supporting role as an Assist Trophy is more than accommodating enough.



Could you also provide me sources as to these "realistic cute animal" fighting games you speak of? It would assist me in assessing the situation.

 

[BluePikmin11]

My reason, because it would be absolutely hilarious to play as a regular dog, there's a certain charm to Nintendog that I like that makes me want him in the roster.

Metal Gear Solid seems to have killable dogs also, but PETA does not seem to mind.

 

[8-peacock-8]

PETA can't keep up with all the jogos.

 

[FinalStarmen]

Maybe because PETA isn't fully aware of the Metal Gear Solid series in general, as opposed to their frequent attacks on more well-known series in Mario, Pokemon, and Super Smash Brothers (as a means of attracting more press coverage).

Again, this has more to do with PETA's awareness of Nintendogs (as a part of Nintendo's more popular series). They'll know when to strike if the iron is hot.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So let me get this straight. It's perfectly okay to beat up children and women, but beating up an animal is horrible. Hell, we already have several animals on the roster.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Do remember Super Smash Bros. is the game where you can use swords, space-tech pistols, explosives, piercing arrows, sharp needles, hammers, sawblades and even an axe to electrocute, burn, freeze or drown many different opponents, some being children, women, adorable little creatures or endangered apes.

I doubt a puppy throwing tennis balls would be a problem.

Not to mention when a character gets hit, they appear to not be harmed at all.... If it was even close to realistic, anyone who got poked with Link's Sword would die.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So let me get this straight. It's perfectly okay to beat up children and women, but beating up an animal is horrible. Hell, we already have several animals on the roster.

Admittedly though, the children and women being beaten up aren't as realistic as the Nintendogs.

Doesn't make it right, but that's a tool people will use to justify it.

 

[FinalStarmen]

If you read my entire post carefully enough, you would have found this section:

"Are there double standards held for categorical differences between human beings being violently injured (Link, Sheik, Snake, Ness) and animals being violently injured (Pikachu)? It's certainly debatable, and I would actually agree it is hypocritical. Whether you believe it to be so or not, there will be reactionary arguments involved between both parties, and Masahiro Sakurai would do well to avoid such an incident. There are several members on this board who would already feel uncomfortable with this idea for this very reason. Again, it may be hypocritical, but that's the way it is."


I agree, it is entirely hypocritical to allow women and children to be violently assaulted while setting up animals a double standard to abide by.

Yet, I was only playing the Devil's Advocate by arguing the inclusion of a Nintendog would be troublesome, because like it or not, people do hold onto those double standards, and they will take issue. It's an especially sensitive topic to approach, no matter who is in-the-right here.


EDIT: The reason Nintendogs' will be held in different regard than the other animalistic characters is because Nintendogs are photo-realistic, as opposed to somewhat-realistic-but-mostly-cartoon-y characters in Donkey Kong and Pikachu.

The crux of my entire argumentation is that their inclusion would 1) bring in negative press by animal rights activists making a mountain out of a molehill and 2) be uninspiring and uncreative.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Final Smash:

boring, bland, banal Nintendog

Thats your opinion.
And people obiously want them for the laughs, come on, it will be cool

I think you are taking this whole PETA thing way too far, no body really cares, and the ones who do probably dont even play videogames.
But i also think animal abuse in videogames is disgusting, but smash bros is very far to could be considered that.

Anyways, and just a theory, but i think sakurai is very aware of this "i dont want to hit a dog in a fighting game :/..." or even the "why pick a regular and realistic dog? thats hella gay and boring".
So, why dont do giant dogs? interesting and unrealistic all at the same time, sakurai is a genius, and if someone is still disgusted by that, well, they better relax and start enjoying life.

And yet we still kill pikmins just for fun...

Could you also provide me sources as to these "realistic cute animal" fighting games you speak of? It would assist me in assessing the situation.

The general example is hunting games when you can kill anybody (rabbids, birds etc) but im not really an expert on this types of games.
Tekken comes to my mind, but there is also this "Tokyo Jungle" game on PS3:

This is of course without searching games whose main premise is to kill things for fun, one about kill cows or something, there is a lot of sick people out there...

 

[FinalStarmen]

Thats your opinion.

I'm not alone with this assessment, though.

I think you are taking this whole PETA thing way too far, no body really cares, and the ones who do probably dont even play videogames.
But i also think animal abuse in videogames is disgusting, but smash bros is very far to could be considered that.

You may very well be correct - I may be blowing this out of proportion, I will admit to that. Yet, as I have said, I'd rather avoid the potentiality of a PR disaster. Reasonable people may not care about what PETA says (nobody in their right minds should), but certain media outlets do. If they can get the chance to smear the video-game industry, they will.*

* Note: not all.

Anyways, and just a theory, but i think sakurai is very aware of this "i dont want to hit a dog in a fighting game :/..." or even the "why pick a regular and realistic dog? thats hella gay and boring".
So, why dont do giant dogs? interesting and unrealistic all at the same time, sakurai is a genius, and if someone is still disgusted by that, well, they better relax and start enjoying life.

Do you mean the Assist Trophy? If so, it wouldn't matter because it's a supporting role that doesn't require the visual representation of beat-em-up brawling.

And yet we still kill pikmins just for fun...

Technically, Pikmin are a fictional species while Nintendogs are fictional representations of actual species. That said, this goes back to my statements regarding double standards.

The general example is hunting games when you can kill anybody (rabbids, birds etc) but im not really an expert on this types of games.
Tekken comes to my mind, but there is also this "Tokyo Jungle" game on PS3:

This is of course without searching games whose main premise is to kill things for fun, one about kill cows or something, there is a lot of sick people out there...

PETA tends to be selective as to which games they protest against, although there is a fair amount of targets for attack.
http://www.gamepolitics.com/category/topics/peta



I'll make this as clear and concise as I can, so I don't confuse anybody - I'm not against the Nintendogs as playable character because they are realistic-looking animals. I take no issue with this. However, because other people will be against Nintendogs as playable characters because they are realistic-looking (PETA, animal rights advocates, members of Smashboards and Miiverse, etc.), they will bring bad publicity and unwarranted attention to the game by the sensationalist media, which is not what Nintendo needs right now. That's one of the two reasons I don't advise their playability.



You know what - I'll concede I have taking this farther than it should have, especially considering how off-topic the discussion was. We should probably take it to another thread. I apologize to the moderators in advance.

 

[Deleted member]

So let me get this straight. It's perfectly okay to beat up children and women, but beating up an animal is horrible. Hell, we already have several animals on the roster.

Children:
The only legitimate child is the Villager, and he's a murderous psychopath.

Women:
The women also deal beatings to others. It's sexism to give them special treatment because they're women.

Animals:
All animals featured in Smash thus far are dangerous creatures and/or anthromorphs. Nintendog is literally a harmless little puppy. Pretty sure the standards between that and a temperamental gorilla wearing a necktie are far different.

 

[Sobreviviente]

-I'm not alone with this assessment, though.

-Do you mean the Assist Trophy? If so, it wouldn't matter because it's a supporting role that doesn't require the visual representation of beat-em-up brawling.

- It doesnt change anything, though. Everybody have their opinion and im sure the hate for jigglypuf will continue in this game, that doesnt mean she is a "lost stock" as people love to say like if they opinion is a fact.
- Im talking about how the franchise is being represented, with a stage with giant dogs and toys.
Seriously, if we have a character is going to be a giant dog, that pretty much fix every possible issue this dogs could ever have.


Anyways, we all here know that a nintendog character is very unlikely, that doesnt mean we cant have fun talking about them
Come on, is just a videogame, who cares.

 

[FinalStarmen]

Anyways, we all here know that a nintendog character is very unlikely, that doesnt mean we cant have fun talking about them
Come on, is just a videogame, who cares.

I suppose we can find agreement on that, at least.