Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[drag0nscythe]

How exactly did you come to that conclusion?

Yellow Devil is doing something in Smash. Best bet is a boss. Ridley was a boss before.

 

[Frostwraith]

Yellow Devil is doing something in Smash. Best bet is a boss. Ridley was a boss before.

Do you even logic?

Charizard has also appeared as a non-playable character and Brawl came and made him playable as part of the Pokémon Trainer.

Ridley being a boss before DOES NOT IMPLY that he WILL be a boss this time. And again, the Yellow Devil's appearance means nothing on Ridley's status in Smash.

 

[Kamiko]

Also Ganondorf. And Giga Bowser.

Although Ganondorf wasn't a boss in Smash in particular, if that was the point.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Yellow Devil is doing something in Smash. Best bet is a boss. Ridley was a boss before.

Okay, I guess Little Mac supporters can also go pack their stuff too then.

Plus, for all we know the Yellow Devil could also be a stage hazard. It's been confirmed that we won't get a SSE-like Adventure Mode, so there's even the chance that bosses won't even return.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Do you even logic?

Charizard has also appeared as a non-playable character and Brawl came and made him playable as part of the Pokémon Trainer.

Ridley being a boss before DOES NOT IMPLY that he WILL be a boss this time. And again, the Yellow Devil's appearance means nothing on Ridley's status in Smash.

Actually it does. Ridley was the most requested for Brawl and Sakurai made him two bosses in Brawl. He was even slated to be an Assist Trophy before that. Yellow Devil appearing means we will have bosses. Chances are, his return will be in boss form. Granted Villager shows that Sakurai will change his mind, this still does not change much. Villager uses balloon fighers balloons. This means that Sakurai thinks of him as a mixture character. That is probably what changed his mind on that character. They are also going for a more WTF with both villager and Wii Fit Trainer.

He is also more boss material then Character like Ganondorf or King K Rool.

Okay, I guess Little Mac supporters can also go pack their stuff too then.


Plus, for all we know the Yellow Devil could also be a stage hazard. It's been confirmed that we won't get a SSE-like Adventure Mode, so there's even the chance that bosses won't even return.

It has also been said that the Smash 3DS will be more personalized because it will most likely be one person playing. Single player campaigns with a mini boss (like TvC on the Wii) and character endings might be possible. The people who made tekken are helping and I am sure their awesome goofyness will rub off on the project.

 

[FalKoopa]

The derp is spilling onto other threads. (>_>)

 

[Frostwraith]

I like how you are making assumptions and drawing conclusions out of so little info we know about the game. Once again, I ask, do you even logic?

Yellow Devil appearing means we will have bosses.

He could be an Assist Trophy or a stage hazard. That assumption is utterly invalid.

Chances are, his return will be in boss form.

WILL be a boss? Evidence, please.

Granted Villager shows that Sakurai will change his mind, this still does not change much. Villager uses balloon fighers balloons.

That's more than enough. Sakurai had ditched the Villager before, but has changed his mind.

Hell, he even admitted that he could make Ridley work as a playable character. This is the man that made Wii Fit Trainer playable, of all characters. At this point, anything's possible.

This means that Sakurai thinks of him as a mixture character. That is probably what changed his mind on that character. They are also going for a more WTF with both villager and Wii Fit Trainer.

Evidence on your first statement. Where is it?

There ARE GOING to me more WTF characters? You came to that conclusion upon TWO character reveals? Those are some ridiculous, baseless generalizations.

You CAN'T APPLY a generalization out of so little information. That's fallacious argumentation.

 

[drag0nscythe]

I like how you are making assumptions and drawing conclusions out of so little info we know about the game. Once again, I ask, do you even logic?

And how is this different from everyone else at this point?

He could be an Assist Trophy or a stage hazard. That assumption is utterly invalid.

He could. But why waste the video end to show a stage hazard. That is wasted potential.
I agree. He could be an assist. But given how the 3DS is a more personalized experience, I call bosses.

WILL be a boss? Evidence, please.

Proof he will not please.
My proof points to the past, points to the 3DS version and points to the Yellow devil.

That's more than enough. Sakurai had ditched the Villager before, but has changed his mind.

Hell, he even admitted that he could make Ridley work as a playable character. This is the man that made Wii Fit Trainer playable, of all characters. At this point, anything's possible.

Wii fit trainer is actually very easy to turn into a fighter. All the yoga moves already exist in Wii fit.

Evidence on your first statement. Where is it?

There ARE GOING to me more WTF characters? You came to that conclusion upon TWO character reveals? Those are some ridiculous, baseless generalizations.

You CAN'T APPLY a generalization out of so little information. That's fallacious argumentation.

Villager is from a series where you plant trees and gather old nintendo stuff. He is using Balloon fighters helmet and balloons. That is probably his Up B. I call that a combination. I wonder if he will end up with the bug guys spray also.
And Wii Fit Trainer is WTF. Came out of no where and everyone still has whiplash.[/quote]

 

[FalKoopa]

@Dragonscythe
NEVER use circumstancial evidence.

 

[drag0nscythe]

@Dragonscythe
NEVER use circumstancial evidence.

Isn't everyone requesting and all the character analyses the same. They are. Everything is circumstantial. I am basing my ideas on observations just like the rest.

 

[FalKoopa]

Isn't everyone requesting and all the character analyses the same. They are. Everything is circumstantial. I am basing my ideas on observations just like the rest.

Possibly, but they atleast make sense. Which I don't see in your posts. (>_>)

 

[Frostwraith]

And how is this different from everyone else at this point?

No one's making assumptions and saying that "X will happen because Y."

The wording makes a big difference on how others see your argumentation.

More correct wording for speculation would be "X may happen because Y."

He could. But why waste the video end to show a stage hazard. That is wasted potential.
I agree. He could be an assist. But given how the 3DS is a more personalized experience, I call bosses.

Nothing is clear, so stop assuming he will be a boss.

Also, that Yellow Devil bit after Mega Man's reveal was this trope on play and doesn't guarantee anything about his appearance, be it boss, Assist Trophy or stage hazard. There's literally nothing pointing towards any of the three possibilities, yet you said that means he will be a boss and from there, assumed that Ridley would be one too. That's fallacious argumentation.

Proof he will not please.
My proof points to the past, points to the 3DS version and points to the Yellow devil.

I never said he would not be a boss though. You on the other hand, were making an assumption that he would be.
Also, the Yellow Devil was shown on the Wii U version and Sakurai said there wouldn't be a SSE Adventure Mode like Brawl. Hope you're not forgetting that.

Wii fit trainer is actually very easy to turn into a fighter. All the yoga moves already exist in Wii fit.

Are you implying Ridley has no moves to draw from?
He has wings, claws, sharp teeth, tail, fire breath. All things that can be used to make a compelling moveset.

Villager is from a series where you plant trees and gather old nintendo stuff. He is using Balloon fighters helmet and balloons. That is probably his Up B. I call that a combination. I wonder if he will end up with the bug guys spray also.
And Wii Fit Trainer is WTF. Came out of no where and everyone still has whiplash.

How does the Villager's and Wii Fit Trainer's inclusion warrant that there will be more WTF characters? You haven't answered that question I asked, dodging it completely.

 

[Kamiko]

The problem is that you think Ridley will be a boss just because he was a boss before.

But Giga Bowser.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Still trying to understand how Yellow Devil being in Smash means Ridley is a boss.

That is one of the stupidest arguments i've heard recently.

Also, Villager and WFT = more WTF characters? Thats another stupid argument.

EDIT: Also, drag0nscythe you are in no position to ask for evidence when all of your arguments are baseless and don't make any sense.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

For the 100th time, Yellow Devil does not discredit or prove that Ridley will be regulated as a boss. Not does it prove mini-bosses will make an appearance.

 

[Deleted member]

Eww, horrible arguments at Ridley.

I hope drag0nscythe realize that Mega Man's inclusion actually does indirectly help Ridley's chance. If Ridley is a hard fit, then I can't imagine the excruciating amount of work it took to fit Mega Man in. Never forget that in some ways, it is harder to fit in third-parties than it is to make the game, Sakurai said this himself.

Also, Yellow Devil is probably a stage hazard. It's not confirmed, but the way he was presented on the stage doesn't look like a boss.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Heeeeey Guys! Good morning! What'd I mi-

(Reads past page of thread)

Okay, who spilled the derp gas? Seriously, what the heck happened? And since when does Yellow Devil prove anything towards Ridley? Hell, do we even know if Yellow Devil was just there to show off the classic MegaMan factor in the trailer? Making him a boss doesn't look very suitable unless they make him fight like he did in MegaMan: The Power Fighters 2.

 

[MagnesD3]

He's too big.

 

[majora_787]

If anything, I think Ridley being two bosses in Brawl could be good for him in Smash 4. He's one of THE most requested characters, and they obviously acknowledged that in Brawl in a way. There isn't much else they can do for him other than either make him playable or repeat Brawl. Which I doubt they'd do. But I guess who knows. :Y

EDIT: Just saying in terms of Ridley design, since I missed out on this. I am fine with his Other M design personally, even though I am in love with prime 1 Meta Ridley.

I think Fusion's Neo-Ridley and Metroid 1's purple Ridley were both bleck-ish in comparison.

 

[Phaazoid]

Soon™

you gave me a heart attack, thought it was the daily photo

 

[Erimir]

Hell, Yellow Devil could be an AT for all we know. It's not like they're all small.

Also, Yellow Devil being a boss doesn't mean Ridley has to be one. It's not like there aren't TONS of Metroid bosses to choose from. In particular, I can think of two that would be both iconic and suitable - Kraid and Mother Brain (including her mobile form). Of course, there are others, but assuming there's a Metroid character as a boss in the game, it would probably be Ridley, Kraid or Mother Brain.

But if there's a playable Metroid character added, then it would be Ridley, and if they still wanted another for a boss, it would probably be Kraid or Mother Brain.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Hehehe atleast this threads picking up in activity again right?

 

[Steelia]

But if there's a playable Metroid character added, then it would be Ridley, and if they still wanted another for a boss, it would probably be Kraid or Mother Brain.

Playable Ridley, boss Mother Brain.
MB is the perfect boss "replacement" to Ridley, if they wanted to sneak him into the roster. It also helps that (while just a cameo) Mother Brain was pretty important to what was going on in Other M.

Kraid would be great, too, though I'd love to see a remastered version of Brinstar Depths from SSBM...

 

[Hotfeet444]

Well this is certainly interesting...

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/197055...t_have_time_to_bring_all_characters_back.html

This is certainly something to think about, and with Mewtwo being considered (Why he isn't confirmed I don't know) I think it's clear that the big icons of series' are the big concern as of now. Does anyone think this article affects Ridley at all?

Playable Ridley, boss Mother Brain.
MB is the perfect boss "replacement" to Ridley, if they wanted to sneak him into the roster. It also helps that (while just a cameo) Mother Brain was pretty important to what was going on in Other M.

Kraid would be great, too, though I'd love to see a remastered version of Brinstar Depths from SSBM...

I think Kraid would be a better boss. He could even move around his boss stage like he did in the Brinstar Depths in Melee, that'd be interesting.

 

[El Fonz0]

Playable Ridley, boss Mother Brain.
MB is the perfect boss "replacement" to Ridley, if they wanted to sneak him into the roster. It also helps that (while just a cameo) Mother Brain was pretty important to what was going on in Other M.

Kraid would be great, too, though I'd love to see a remastered version of Brinstar Depths from SSBM...

Still think that Kraid as Ridley's Final Smash would be best.

 

[FalKoopa]

Well, I think Kyurem could replace Ridley for a similar Dragon-like boss.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Well, I think Kyurem could replace Ridley for a similar Dragon-like boss.

A three form boss fight against Kyurem...that'd be amazing. But we had another dragon boss in Brawl too, Rayquaza. Also, I highly doubt that since it's confirmed that there will be a story mode in Smash 4 but it isn't like The Subspace emissary, I can honestly say that Sakurai is almost definitely not going to reuse bosses, which increases Ridley's chances even more.

 

[FalKoopa]

Well this is certainly interesting...
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/197055...t_have_time_to_bring_all_characters_back.html

The line to focus upon is this:

We don’t have the time to fully recreate every single character who’s been in Smash Bros at this point

"Every single character" could easily mean Dr. Mario, Young Link and Pichu, who aren't going to come back either way.

Also this:

So we’re not going to cut characters out of the way, we’re going to put in as many characters as we can, we really want to do that, because it's good for the fans and good for all of us.

 

[drag0nscythe]

The line to focus upon is this:


"Every single character" could easily mean Dr. Mario, Young Link and Pichu, who aren't going to come back either way.

Also this:

Which means characters have a priority. And if they run out of time, those characters will not return. Meaning CUTS!
So we need to guess who gets input back last. I bet it is, Lucario, Toon Link, Ike, Lucas, and Wolf. I bet they are on the bottom. He is going to end up cutting from Brawl. I am sure Dr. M, YL and Pichu are not even crossing his mind now.

 

[majora_787]

Lucario, Ike, and Toon Link are safe bets.

Falco is probably more likely to be scrapped than Wolf, since if you had to pick between two semi clones to scrap... would you pick the one with eight unique moves? Or the one with seventeen? Yeah. :Y

And I doubt Lucas is going to be cut, since they at ANY point thought that Lucas would be a suitable replacement for Ness. I think Ness is more likely for the axe, but I still think he's pretty safe.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Lucario, Ike, and Toon Link are safe bets.

Falco is probably more likely to be scrapped than Wolf, since if you had to pick between two semi clones to scrap... would you pick the one with eight unique moves? Or the one with seventeen? Yeah. :Y

And I doubt Lucas is going to be cut, since they at ANY point thought that Lucas would be a suitable replacement for Ness. I think Ness is more likely for the axe, but I still think he's pretty safe.

Falco has been around longer in Smash.
Ness will not get cut because he was in the original 12.

 

[majora_787]

That really doesn't matter. Falco and Fox share a whopping 15 of their 23 moves. If they had to make a choice, they would not rush to somehow make Falco as unique as Wolf when they could more easily cut Falco and keep the character who is already mostly unique.

And you entirely missed my point there.

 

[Deleted member]

Wolf is almost completely unique, Falco is to Fox as Luigi is to Mario.
Both can easily be fixed up next go 'round.

But why are we talking space furries in a Ridley thread?

 

[majora_787]

Who knows. The cuts thing most likely doesn't affect most of anyone, ESPECIALLY Ridley.

... Is it too late to hope for the Prime 1 Meta design?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

... Is it too late to hope for the Prime 1 Meta design?

At most it'd be an alternate costume I believe, it'd be able to tie in with his second boss appearance in Brawl too. Not that I believe that we're gonna get enough of those to reach Ridley getting an alternate skin.

 

[FalKoopa]

Which means characters have a priority. And if they run out of time, those characters will not return. Meaning CUTS!

Stop twisting my posts.(-_-)

 

[Starcutter]

I don't think lucario's going to be cut, but that's for a different thread.

so Ridley.

......Really easy to spell, hard to draw.

 

[Deleted member]

Nothing is absolute.
Note how everything in regards to cuts has an "if" in it.

Cuts aren't without a doubt going to happen; they are merely possible.
Possibility =/= inevitability.

Are they likely to happen? Sure. It's happened before, and it will likely be the exact same deal.
Will they happen? It cannot be said either way until we get a direct confirmation.

 

[majora_787]

Pfff I can't even draw my own characters. The closest I could get to drawing Ridley is drawing his NES sprite on graph paper.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Currently trying to draw Ridley in Size comparison of other characters in Smash 4. It'll be up soon.