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[Cutie Gwen]

Big update for all 1 of the Deadly Six fans, Zazz seems to be recast, I saw a clip of him bullying the **** out of Cream and he doesn't sound the same. Also, Cream calls him a jerk, this is like having Pee Wee Herman or Dolly Parton say you're not very nice, absolutely devastating

 

[Pink Yoshi]

Day 23: Chatot

This guy gets a bad rep. Yeah the whole Apple Woods thing was a historic fumble the likes of which only matched by how the anime writers didn't put Wally into the Advanced Generation series, but he's a great foil to the perky Wigglytuff and I had to salute my boy for throwing his life on the line towards the end of the game.

Day 45: Mega Garchomp

Pop Quiz: What's the absolute most threatening shiny color for a superpowered shark covered in razor blades with scythes for hands?

HOT PINK!

Like everyone else said, at least it IS a color. And honestly I think Mega Gar kinda rocks it. As shown by Zazz, purple and pink can be used quite well to create genuinely threatening designs. Speaking of...

Big update for all 1 of the Deadly Six fans, Zazz seems to be recast, I saw a clip of him bullying the **** out of Cream and he doesn't sound the same. Also, Cream calls him a jerk, this is like having Pee Wee Herman or Dolly Parton say you're not very nice, absolutely devastating

HEY ALL 1 FANS, THAT'S ME

I'm a little surprised. Did Liam O'Brien do something? But I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, I am interested to see who takes over for my boy. Also not surprised he's picking on Cream, he always gives me vibes of a foul-mouthed sore loser you meet in a Call of Duty lobby

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Day 23: Chatot

This guy gets a bad rep. Yeah the whole Apple Woods thing was a historic fumble the likes of which only matched by how the anime writers didn't put Wally into the Advanced Generation series, but he's a great foil to the perky Wigglytuff and I had to salute my boy for throwing his life on the line towards the end of the game.



Like everyone else said, at least it IS a color. And honestly I think Mega Gar kinda rocks it. As shown by Zazz, purple and pink can be used quite well to create genuinely threatening designs. Speaking of...



HEY ALL 1 FANS, THAT'S ME

I'm a little surprised. Did Liam O'Brien do something? But I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, I am interested to see who takes over for my boy. Also not surprised he's picking on Cream, he always gives me vibes of a foul-mouthed sore loser you meet in a Call of Duty lobby

I haven't heard of the actor getting in trouble but sometimes actors are unavailable and recasts are gotten instead, Knuckles, Blaze, Omega, Zavok and Tails all had something like this, with Omega having like 4 VAs since Colours. Vic Mignogna and Quinton Flynn are the only VAs that seem to have gotten replaced for controversies but there's way more examples of recasts for the series for unrelated reasons

 

[Pink Yoshi]

I haven't heard of the actor getting in trouble but sometimes actors are unavailable and recasts are gotten instead, Knuckles, Blaze, Omega, Zavok and Tails all had something like this, with Omega having like 4 VAs since Colours. Vic Mignogna and Quinton Flynn are the only VAs that seem to have gotten replaced for controversies but there's way more examples of recasts for the series for unrelated reasons

Oh, true point about Zavok! He's had a couple swaps and swings in his own right.

So long as I can keep saying that Zor is voiced by Phoenix Wright, I'm happy.

 

[HyperSomari64]

good morning folks

 

[Z25]

I finally finished the living hisui dex for home last night.

Then I realized…. The sword and shield DLC includes the legendaries from Dynamax adventures.

Which I was shiny hunting them but haven’t gone back in awhile.

I have a few of the ones I needed, but quite a few left. So that’s going to be tricky because I still want those shiny forms. So I guess I’m back to hunting those first.

Thank Arceus I already got Zygarde, even if it took a year. I have sword but I also have a den for logos currently. I’m considering shiny hunting that on Crystal VC though as I have been hunting totodile on there to start with and then eventually hunt celebii. Hopefully bank and these events stick around awhile.

Have 'fun' with Roaring Moon.


As someone who's done that hunt many times in the past, it sucks.

I got three shiny Zwellious before I found my roaring moon lol.

 

[Pink Yoshi]

I never got why some Pokemon fans hate it so much when a starter Pokemon evolves to stand on two legs or become somewhat anthropomorphic.

Personally I never particularly mind anthro evos like Incineroar and Meowscarada. Is it just bad memories from the tides of Fire/Fighting starters? Plus it feels like certain anthro starters are given more of a pass than others. Look at Greninja for example. He's pretty anthropomorphic and one of the most popular starters out there. The reverse is true too. Meganium is mostly non-anthro and is simply an awesome dinosaur, but the Pokemon fandom often makes fun of it. (Which, true, might be due to how difficult to use it is in Johto, but I feel like even outside of Johto I feel like not many people really give it a fair shot.)

And as someone who's drawn her fair share of Fakemon, I've never been bothered about what the Pokemon fandom would like or dislike to see in my starters. Alcohowl is still one of my favorite designs I've ever done, but I feel like the fandom would HATE it

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This also goes for Polteargeiz, who I'm also overall very proud of, but it breaks a lot of pre-established 'rules' for starter design, and thus would be similarly contentious.

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Nonetheless, I'm happy with both of these designs, but I dunno if the Poke-fandom would be quite as accepting.

I dunno, what do y'all think?

 

[Guynamednelson]

I never got why some Pokemon fans hate it so much when a starter Pokemon evolves to stand on two legs or become somewhat anthropomorphic.

Personally I never particularly mind anthro evos like Incineroar and Meowscarada. Is it just bad memories from the tides of Fire/Fighting starters?

For me it's wanting Pokemon to be creatures rather than characters. I think a lot of Pokemon they really like to market from Lucario onward lean too much into the latter.

 

[Dukefire]

For me it's wanting Pokemon to be creatures rather than characters. I think a lot of Pokemon they really like to market from Lucario onward lean too much into the latter.

For Lucario, it was the movie appearance and Mega Evolution for the martial artist dog. Also, it having aura and was voiced by Goku's VA allowed it to stay relevant. Though, Smash Bros is where its unique ability still shines as Pokémon itself has SO MUCH to count that it is hard to keep count favorites.

Edit: Sadly, Pokemon like Gardevoir, Lopunny, Meowscarada and other pokemon with a human like figure is what allows them to stay relevant for......obvious reasons of Waifu Material.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Jury is still out on Daredevil. I hope it's good but it's gonna be an uphill battle to recapture the original show's magic.

Big update for all 1 of the Deadly Six fans, Zazz seems to be recast, I saw a clip of him bullying the **** out of Cream and he doesn't sound the same. Also, Cream calls him a jerk, this is like having Pee Wee Herman or Dolly Parton say you're not very nice, absolutely devastating

Vanilla beat his ass so badly that his voice changed…damn she a good mother

 

[Noipoi]

I never got why some Pokemon fans hate it so much when a starter Pokemon evolves to stand on two legs or become somewhat anthropomorphic.

Personally I never particularly mind anthro evos like Incineroar and Meowscarada. Is it just bad memories from the tides of Fire/Fighting starters? Plus it feels like certain anthro starters are given more of a pass than others. Look at Greninja for example. He's pretty anthropomorphic and one of the most popular starters out there. The reverse is true too. Meganium is mostly non-anthro and is simply an awesome dinosaur, but the Pokemon fandom often makes fun of it. (Which, true, might be due to how difficult to use it is in Johto, but I feel like even outside of Johto I feel like not many people really give it a fair shot.)

And as someone who's drawn her fair share of Fakemon, I've never been bothered about what the Pokemon fandom would like or dislike to see in my starters. Alcohowl is still one of my favorite designs I've ever done, but I feel like the fandom would HATE it

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This also goes for Polteargeiz, who I'm also overall very proud of, but it breaks a lot of pre-established 'rules' for starter design, and thus would be similarly contentious.

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Nonetheless, I'm happy with both of these designs, but I dunno if the Poke-fandom would be quite as accepting.

I dunno, what do y'all think?

There’s definitely a place for Pokemon that are more anthropomorphic. But I think the frustration comes from the fact that these days most starters all tend to lean more towards humanoid mascots with very defined personality traits, almost as if they were individual characters as opposed to a whole species. There are people that prefer more animalistic designs with general traits, they like their starters to be pets more than person-sized animal men.

Props to Skeledirge for braking the cycle he’s just a fat ****.

 

[Aurane]

Incineroar is what broke me. I thought we were gonna get a panther like evolution tied with alchemy. Instead we get Crash Bandicoot.

 

[Noipoi]

Incineroar is what broke me. I thought we were gonna get a panther like evolution tied with alchemy. Instead we get Crash Bandicoot.

This just reminds me of when Sun/Moon was coming out and the fanbase was going CRAZY with the alchemy theories.

Yeah some of that stuff was definitely in there, and it was very interesting, but I swear some of us thought the game would hold the secrets to eternal life or something.

 

[Dukefire]

Incineroar is what broke me. I thought we were gonna get a panther like evolution tied with alchemy. Instead we get Crash Bandicoot.

I think Crash Bandicoot can still make it despite Incinaroar taking a Neutral to spin via Darkest Lariat. His is more unique as it could act as a reflector with that sound effect to boot.

 

[Pink Yoshi]

There’s definitely a place for Pokemon that are more anthropomorphic. But I think the frustration comes from the fact that these days most starters all tend to lean more towards humanoid mascots with very defined personality traits, almost as if they were individual characters as opposed to a whole species. There are people that prefer more animalistic designs with general traits, they like their starters to be pets more than person-sized animal men.

Props to Skeledirge for braking the cycle he’s just a fat ****.

I'll admit that Skeledirge was a pretty fun surprise, and that I'm just as open for non-anthro starters as I am for the furry humanoids. When it comes to the starters I've drawn like Alcohowl and the three logo-inspired starters, I just draw what I think suits my view of each starter the best. For Alcohowl, that ended up being 'bipedal crazy wolf'. And then there's Polteargeiz which straight up isn't an animal at all oops.

I think Skeledirge is a sign that GF is beginning to understand how many people want more animalistic starter designs, so I'd suggest keeping an eye out for what the Gen 10 official starters could look like. As well as what they could potentially do with the Legends ZA starters.

Still expecting a third Fire-Ghost starter to complete the triangle in Legends ZA.

This just reminds me of when Sun/Moon was coming out and the fanbase was going CRAZY with the alchemy theories.

Yeah some of that stuff was definitely in there, and it was very interesting, but I swear some of us thought the game would hold the secrets to eternal life or something.

Remember when Lockstin theorized that Sun and Moon were the 'last' Pokemon games? Even at the time, I thought the guy was reaching.

 

[Guynamednelson]

There’s definitely a place for Pokemon that are more anthropomorphic. But I think the frustration comes from the fact that these days most starters all tend to lean more towards humanoid mascots with very defined personality traits, almost as if they were individual characters as opposed to a whole species. There are people that prefer more animalistic designs with general traits, they like their starters to be pets more than person-sized animal men.

Props to Skeledirge for braking the cycle he’s just a fat ****.

I agree with most of this post, but I still feel like Skeledirge has some of the traits which make modern starter evolutions lean more towards being characters than creatures. Like how when performing Torch Song, it stands on two feet while its bird buddy turns into a microphone.

And I'd argue that even it having a bird buddy is part of it being more of a character too.

 

[Noipoi]

I agree with most of this post, but I still feel like Skeledirge has some of the traits which make modern starter evolutions lean more towards being characters than creatures. Like how when performing Torch Song, it stands on two feet while its bird buddy turns into a microphone.

And I'd argue that even it having a bird buddy is part of it being more of a character too.

That’s true, but I feel like that’s just how starters are designed these days. They’ve clearly settled on a design philosophy they feel is the most marketable, that being animal + occupation.

I think we’re beyond the days of starter Pokemon that are simply creatures with elemental powers. If we get more starters with animalistic body types, and I think we will, expect them to still have jobs.

 

[SneakyLink]

Lynn Marie Stewart passed away.

Some of her most famous roles include Miss Yvonne in Pee-Wee’s Playhouse and Bonnie Kelly in It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I think we’re beyond the days of starter Pokemon that are simply creatures with elemental powers

It came from the gen when they settled on that design philosophy, but I think the entire Chespin line could pass for "creature with elemental powers" even if Chesnaught was supposed to be the fighter to Delphox's mage and Greninja's thief.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Whenever this talk about animalistic starters evolving into anthropomorphic ones comes up, I can't help but think of the anthropomorphic Dewott and how disappointed a lot of its fans were when it evolved win the animalistic Samurott.

I feel like a lot of the hate towards anthro starters isn't that they're anthro so much as people are upset because they feel misled. We tend to get shown the base forms for the starters early in a promotion cycle and people get really attached to their starter of choice, only for us to discover their third stage at around launch and feel shocked or betrayed when the final evolution barely even resembles the pokemon we grew attached to outside of a few motifs.

 

[Guynamednelson]

It came from the gen when they settled on that design philosophy, but I think the entire Chespin line could pass for "creature with elemental powers" even if Chesnaught was supposed to be the fighter to Delphox's mage and Greninja's thief.

I mean look at this

The way it's hunched over in its artwork is...not very knightly compared to how Delphox and Greninja are blatantly posed in a way that shows they're a wizard and ninja respectively.

 

[Aurane]

Just need to beat the E4 now. God I'm getting sick of this.

 

[Noipoi]

Just need to beat the E4 now. God I'm getting sick of this.

Aurane playing Scarlet and Violet back to back

 

[Wario Bros.]

Do you think we'll see Project Synapse in the Pokémon Presents?

 

[Aurane]

Rabsca wad a ****ing awful choice BTW. It was a pain in the ass to evolve and it's slow as ****.

 

[Guynamednelson]

anthropomorphic Dewott and how disappointed a lot of its fans were when it evolved win the animalistic Samurott.

I am one of those people who had a problem with going from a bipedal otter to a quadrupedal sea lion, but I wouldn't exactly call Dewott anthromorphic when it looks like a normal otter standing on two feet, and sea otters already have a tendency to use tools in the wild.

That said after learning that seal and sea lions evolved from this otter-like creature

Puijila - Wikipedia

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I understand why it'd make sense even if the designer of the line never intended to reference Puijila.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

you’re next Daredevil

 

[Arcanir]

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I agree with most of this post, but I still feel like Skeledirge has some of the traits which make modern starter evolutions lean more towards being characters than creatures. Like how when performing Torch Song, it stands on two feet while its bird buddy turns into a microphone.

And I'd argue that even it having a bird buddy is part of it being more of a character too.

Some animals do form symbiotic bonds and the croc/bird relationship has a basis in nature (albiet maybe misinformed) so it actually wouldn't be out of place on a 'creature'. The only thing that makes it step over the line is it transforming into a mic, but I'd put that more on par with Samurott's swords as it's an twist on something that base animal can naturally do.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Some animals do form symbiotic bonds and the croc/bird relationship has a basis in nature (albiet maybe misinformed) so it actually wouldn't be out of place on a 'creature'.

Yeah that's true, I know American badgers and coyotes team up

 

[ZephyrZ]

Actually you know what, I love Skeledirge but something about it didn't scratch that itch that I think a lot of modern starters have been missing for me. If you excuse me I think I'm going to go on a Genwunner rant here.

Look at this.

Does this actually look like a lizard too you? Have any of you actually seen a lizard in real life? This is not what a lizard looks like.

It may be the lizard pokemon but this is not just a lizard with elemental powers. This is a dragon. And I hate to break it to you all but dragons aren't real. They are not animals. They are monsters.

This is a pocket monster.

Venusaur may have a body plan resembling a toad, but if you've seen it - especially in the anime - it is clearly not just a toad. Toads don't have pointy teeth. Toads don't have claws. They don't have cat ears either. Venusaur is not just a toad with elemental powers. It's also a lumbering swamp creature from a scientifically inaccurate dinosaur flick. Yee.

Even Blastoise, the most animal-like of the three, has giant canons protruding from its shell invoking the image of a mecha or a living tank. And it still feels huge even if like the other two it's not actually especially big.


These are not animals with elemental characteristics. They are kaiju. They are big, stompy, distinctly Japanese monsters. Honestly a lot of gen 1 pokemon are invocative of kaiju or dinosaurs general. Gen 2 continues this trend with Feraligator and Meganium - Gen 3 with Swampert and Sceptile. Gen 4 continued this with Torterra and we haven't really had a proper kaiju starter since. The rest have either been anthro or animalistic.

Like Chesnaut I guess is a bit monstrous with its hulking arms but like. Eh. It still feels more like a guy™ then a monster.

Animalistic and anthropomorphic starters are both popular for a reason and I definitely think they have their place among modern starters but I'd really like to see some kaiju/monster and dinosaur-esque starters return as well. And this might just be my nostalgia talking but I think kaiju-like pokemon are still pretty popular! We still get them as non-starter pokemon from time to time and they still seem fairly beloved. Bascalibur and Miraidon come to mind as having a lot of very vocal fans early on in gen 9 - I personally love Cyclizar and Koraidon myself.

So yeah. Gamefreak, please give us 1 or 2 more kaiju-like starters in Gen 10. I love my lovable monster mons.

 

[Z25]

Played some of the cross worlds testing beta. It was fun, plus if to to use Omega so that was a plus. A lot going on in the stages and it’s very fast paced compared to previous racers.

On a side note, right though there’s 45 character slots, but in game says there will be many many more.

Makes me wonder if that’s the DLC or there’s even more in base game. If it is the DLC, given it has a season pass, they might be planning more of them. Eventually leading to this basically becoming All Stars Racing 3

 

[TheMightyP]

The thing is that Pokemon has been shifting from making the starters from animalistic to more anthropormorphic since Gen 3 (and you can argue since Gen 2). They may have overcorrected in some gens (Gen 8) but that's the way things have been for two decades now.

That said I wouldn't be opossed to more monstorous designs for the starters.

 

[Aurane]

Me watching Geeta thrashing my ass three times.

Edit: four ****ing times. I should of leveled up more.

Edit 2: Beat her. Jesus Jumping on a Cross ****.

 

[Knight Dude]

Incineroar is what broke me. I thought we were gonna get a panther like evolution tied with alchemy. Instead we get Crash Bandicoot.

He's Armor King, not Crash. That's why he's peak, actually.

 

[Aurane]

He's Armor King, not Crash. That's why he's peak, actually.

I don't even know who that is.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I don't even know who that is.

He's from Tekken.

 

[Wademan94]

Big update for all 1 of the Deadly Six fans, Zazz seems to be recast, I saw a clip of him bullying the **** out of Cream and he doesn't sound the same. Also, Cream calls him a jerk, this is like having Pee Wee Herman or Dolly Parton say you're not very nice, absolutely devastating

Tbf I don’t blame her considering how they treated her in the IDW comics

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Tbf I don’t blame her considering how they treated her in the IDW comics

Yeah but seeing Cream say "You're a jerk, Mr. Zazz" is so weird to me. I didn't think Cream the Rabbit had enough hatred in her heart to even consider calling someone a doo doo head or something and she calls someone a jerk. Like, damn

 

[Wademan94]

I'm a little surprised. Did Liam O'Brien do something? But I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, I am interested to see who takes over for my boy. Also not surprised he's picking on Cream, he always gives me vibes of a foul-mouthed sore loser you meet in a Call of Duty lobby

Liam and his agent are probably just prioritizing more unionized/better paying projects, similar to Laura Bailey, Travis Willingham and a few others

 

[Aurane]

He's from Tekken.

Yup that'd be why I don't know'em.