Things that Make/Destroy Fox

[iMeeHow]

What can you name that people do that makes fox so good and some things that make fox really bad.?

Good:
Use his Up Smash wisely which gets alot of kills
Up Tilt is always useful into leading into combos
Keeping ure game on the ground because to many charachter own fox in the air
not sure if this is to useful but, using ure Shine to edge guard
-Mind Games- Using Shine and make ure opponent w8 then Dair quickly
Using Laser more as a distraction the to spam

Bad:
Over Use of laser
Overuse of SideB(glide)
trying to Air Combo(this obviously can happen but most charachters out play fox in the air)
Spam Up smash
Some people dont use Fox's speed to an advantage.

Feel Free to add on

 

[fishsticks]

Being stupid enough to sideB in the air when you're not recovering...and you even can upB for that.

 

[xDarkElement]

Fox shouldnt be in the high tier list. Just telling you guys that fox isnt very "good" in brawl.
His range sucks and if your play someone who can shieldgrab very well, you'll get owned no matter what you do.

 

[fallen-angle]

Fox shouldnt be in the high tier list. Just telling you guys that fox isnt very "good" in brawl.
His range sucks and if your play someone who can shieldgrab very well, you'll get owned no matter what you do.

Why thank you for this lovely piece of troll spam. What incredible input you have. Tell me, are you the first and foremost expert on the tier system, thus allowing you to sway the rankings with your opinions as opposed to statistical data.

Let me assure you shield grabbing is one of the simplest mechanics in the entire game, and fox actually happens to be quite good at shield pressure. Not as good as in Melee, but he was a god in Melee so it can only be expected that he be nerfed.

Now how about instead of flaming you give some quality feedback that actually falls inline with the topic of the thread. Something like, "poorly timed Dairs will result in shield grabbing, followed by ownage." Or, "fox has low range on his A attacks, and has to endanger himself more on the approach. That is actual feed back. And it doesn't make you sound like a pompous troll.

 

[storm92]

Some good things are using the small combos that Fox still boasts, such as Dair-->Basically any move.
Although they aren't strung out combos, they can lead to some punishment by follow up moves.

A major thing I see that some Fox do is misusing the laser. What I mean is instead of trying to just get a hit here and there with a few shots or SHTL, they just camp out with the laser, Fox Illusion to the other side, and repeat. It doesn't even work that well.

 

[JoeMotion]

I would say that the laser is Fox's greatest asset. You just have to pester people with it and keep racking up damage until you can get a usmash kill. It makes the opponent come to you. Obviously you can't just spam it because then you get punished but if an opponent is keeping distance shdl them to make them lose their cool and attack.

Big disadvantage of Fox at least for me is his edge guarding. Seems like Fox can't keep them out there for the kill, or maybe I play too many TL, marths and MKs.

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

Why thank you for this lovely piece of troll spam. What incredible input you have. Tell me, are you the first and foremost expert on the tier system, thus allowing you to sway the rankings with your opinions as opposed to statistical data.

Let me assure you shield grabbing is one of the simplest mechanics in the entire game, and fox actually happens to be quite good at shield pressure. Not as good as in Melee, but he was a god in Melee so it can only be expected that he be nerfed.

Now how about instead of flaming you give some quality feedback that actually falls inline with the topic of the thread. Something like, "poorly timed Dairs will result in shield grabbing, followed by ownage." Or, "fox has low range on his A attacks, and has to endanger himself more on the approach. That is actual feed back. And it doesn't make you sound like a pompous troll.

Well he is an ex-fox user, but never played him so i don't know how good he is.

But he's partially right, but it isn't really the shield grab. All of fox's approaches in the air are pretty poor. I've noticed as i play some better people, that you can perfect shield the follow up to any of his airiels.

If you Dair and hit he can P-Shield you next attack, which i'm sure you know is bad. This is also true for all of his airiels. Throwing in your own grab in so that you catch them p-shielding works for only a few times. And when facing a character whose out of shield Up-B is good E.x. Samus, Bowser amnd DK and many others (Marth and so on)... you'll each a OoS Up-B as you land a hit.

This brings me to fox's ground game, which is pretty poor see'ing as his tilt is pretty bad. You see most fox's around hopping are the stage or approaching with shields all the time.

Alot of Fox's game relies on mindgames and good timing. He isn't a character you can carelessly run into shields becuase you think you can Jab or shine out of it afterwards anymore. Fox's approach is sup-par at best, but it doesn't mean he's a bad character... just not top tier material.

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

I would say that the laser is Fox's greatest asset. You just have to pester people with it and keep racking up damage until you can get a usmash kill. It makes the opponent come to you. Obviously you can't just spam it because then you get punished but if an opponent is keeping distance shdl them to make them lose their cool and attack.

Big disadvantage of Fox at least for me is his edge guarding. Seems like Fox can't keep them out there for the kill, or maybe I play too many TL, marths and MKs.

If his laser is the best thing going for fox... then he's got no hope. But it's a good addition.

Sorry for this second post my Multiquote isn't working for some **** reason.

 

[Erucolindo86]

The laser spam is always suggested by someone as a great way to rack up damage, but the simple fact is, once you are more familiar with his ground game it will build far more damage far more quickly than the laser.

Still being green with the competitive side of the game, I could be wrong, but I ALWAYS play my best when I

A.) Stay defensive and focus almost entirely on reacting to my opponent (since his approaches are lousy)
B.) Once I have thrown the attacking opponent off rhythm, using fox's great ability to pressure to keep them reeling as long as possible.

Once the enemy has regained his footing, I immediately switch back to style A and repeat.

 

[Zero_Gamer]

Fox's aerials are not as suckish as everyone makes them out to be. His F-air is multiple kicks of justice with which you may smite your foes with SH's or pursuits. His D-air is very good and it is somewhat underused as a SH D-air of justice. It can create a lot of pressure on the opponent and the shield. B-air is one single kick infused with the power of justice. N-air is great with SH's, pursuits, or pursuit-counters, not only that, but it can help lead to more combos... of justice!

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Sheik can 20-death Fox. He's garbage.

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

Sheik can 20-death Fox. He's garbage.

Not really why he;'s garabage. But, yeah i'm losing interest more and more the more i play him vs decent people.

 

[SuPeRCuSsIoN]

lightweight. sucks.

 

[smashbot226]

He's very fast, a good thing.

Low attack power, a bad thing.

His decreased falling speed, an opinion thing.

His LAZUH, a good thing.

 

[tag yeah]

if you dair off the edge you can catch a person in it and bring them down a little, then follow up with a quick shine and they are doomed at nearly any %. be careful though, dont fast fall too far off the edge otherwise you might not recover

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

He's very fast, a good thing.

Low attack power, a bad thing.

His decreased falling speed, an opinion thing.

His LAZUH, a good thing.

He's not really all that fast... and for his decreased falling speed = bad thing, would make his approach better.

And falco's LAZUH is BETTAH :3

 

[Genoisdabest]

Fox shouldn't be on high tier list anymore he really is not as good as he was in the last game.

 

[Zero_Gamer]

I would disagree, Fox seems to be high tier material, but not top tier. And decreased attack power? His Upsmash kills consistently at 90%! His shine is the ultimate mindgame in the air, and his aerials have gotten an all-around improvement.

One of the things that breaks Fox is his speed. His speed gives players a far too offensive mindset. Yes, he has great combos and power, but if there's one thing that kills Foxes, its powershielding. Learn to be more defensive!

 

[wasabicheese]

falco. nuff' said.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Fox and Wolf won't, or shouldn't be, high tier. Fox especially. He has two match-ups that, if the player is even slightly below his level, he should never win. If they're above, he should be screwed proper.

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

I would disagree, Fox seems to be high tier material, but not top tier. And decreased attack power? His Upsmash kills consistently at 90%! His shine is the ultimate mindgame in the air, and his aerials have gotten an all-around improvement.

One of the things that breaks Fox is his speed. His speed gives players a far too offensive mindset. Yes, he has great combos and power, but if there's one thing that kills Foxes, its powershielding. Learn to be more defensive!

No.

10characters.

 

[orintemple]

I don't think Fox will make it to high tier. I am guessing high-mid. Maybe upper if there is an upper tier, but I don't know what format they are going with in the tier list this time.

I would not say Fox has decreased power. He is pretty strong. All of his smashes, and his Up and Back airs all kill very to reasonably well.

He falls fast. This is bad in Brawl. Brawl's physics work so that the slowed down over all speed him too floaty to approach in such a godly manner as he did it Melee. But he falls fast enough that his recovery game suffers. He can't pull stupid **** like Toon Link/Lucario and come back to the stage from anywhere because of his crazy floatiness.

Fox is SUPER light. he is lighter than a lot of character who should be way lighter than him. Pikachu is heavier than Fox... That is trash. He is like the third or fourth lightest character vertically, tied with MetaKnight, a tiny round puffball of air.

His air game is decent, but significantly worse than MANY others. But his ground game is really good so it makes up for it. His air game is also both improved and nerfed. Fair is WAYYY better but Uair is slightly worse, as is Nair.

Fox's range pretty decent. As is his priority. Good enough to not be getting beat out in attacks all over the place like C. Falcon or something.

Fox for mid tier. The biggest problem I see with Fox is his.. averageness. He has great speed but with that he has a lot of issues that balanced him out to being a pretty average character. He also seems to very simple. He doesn't have as many crazy tricks that many other characters have. But boy oh boy is he AWESOME at edgehogging, I love it. All in all Fox is basically what Mario is supposed to be, just with stats placed differently.

Fox for mid tier! I would prefer that anyway, I hate when everyone and their mom plays your character just cause he is good. I played Marth and Falco in Melee, so I know what its like.

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

I would quote orin, but he wrote a ****ing essay so i'll save you eyes the second time.

For the most part orin is right he suffers from Averageness...

I've been *****ing alot about follow ups and approaches lately, but i did a Fox vs fox online match today with someone from the same state. Got good results on the lag, but i learned a few things to spice up his game. Simple ****, and a few mind games i though would work.

He's not a dead character, just a dead forum.

 

[SmashBro99]

Fox's air game isn't the best but it isn't bad at all...

Fair is nice on big guys
Nair is ok
Dair obv sets up combos
Uair can be used as a finisher in many combos
Bair is a kill move