This goes out to everyone learning Underused Characters

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No they're not. Anna Kournikova vs. You. It's Snake vs. Ganondorf. Are you an entrepeneur for not being on Anna Kournikova's level and having the odds against you?

Anna Kournikova vs. Someone else great who handicaps themselves by not using backhands and smashes (and are thus a scrub). Great player? Anna Kournikova vs. A Great Player on Her Level using a 2nd rate raquette. Bold, amazing, commendable for "taking a risk"?

I'm not saying it's the same thing. I'm saying it's a similar thing. Someone vs. Someone else in a bike race. They're both world class bikers, but one biker chooses a third rate bike which is known for having a harder time achieve high velocities. He's taking a risk, he's "playing a Low Tier". Umm... and?

When you compare people's skill level, you forget people are not set in stone with abilities. People can stop being a "Ganondorf" level tennis player through practice and improve their skills to even a "Snake" level player if they dedicate enough of their time to practice on improving themselves.

Yeah, and I think people who say "Low tiers suck, don't use them!" are idiots... and that those who get insulted by Tier lists claiming their chracters are Low are stupid as well.

I mained Peach for Melee. When Brawl was first released, I immediately saw that her options were limited and dropped her like brick. Because it's not fun for me to have to work 10 times as hard as the average player to win. Oh, you wouldn't believe the whining on the Peach boards.

"You can still win if you're creative!", "Good playing will overcome Tiers, bad matchups and bad potential!", "You're traitors and XXXXXXs for abandoning Peach!", "Peach mainers unite! We proud and commendable who stick with Peach despite her being conceived as a Low Tier!".

This crap has got to stop and this thread, while commendable, is kinda falling in the same vein. The OP should just be:
"Play who you like to play as the most, who you have the most fun with. If you just love Peach, then by all means, play as her. If it's not fun for you to play as her because she has to work so hard now, then don't.

"No one is special for who they main as, it's what you do with your character(s) that matters."

/Thread]

 

[Zankoku]

Maybe I frustrate people when they say "omg I got 9th place with Peach!" and I reply "Okay. Go get 7th."
But seriously? I hate the place I live, where apparently placing anywhere above dead last means you're good for some reason or other. Earn your accomplishments, don't make them up as you do something. If you win money with an underused character, you're awesome. Until then, you're just different. : )

 

[GimmeAnFSharp]

I think the summation of this whole thread is, well...

just keep doing what you'd be doing anyway. People are going to play whoever they like, and if it creates new metagame, well then, it's going to happen inevitably in the longrun regardless of what people say.

I suppose some people are more inclined to get things changing faster than others, but I digress...

 

[Dark.Pch]

Maybe I frustrate people when they say "omg I got 9th place with Peach!" and I reply "Okay. Go get 7th."

As time passes by in the world of brawl, it becomes harder to tell if the people you know are trully your friends or 2-faced....

 

[Zankoku]

If you expect a friend to shower you with praise at all times, then no, I suppose I don't qualify.

I have a friend, and when I played Tetris Attack I'd tell him when I reached a new high score. I finally broke 10k, and he told me to go for 20. After reaching 20, he said I should try to get 30. It's more of a "don't get comfortable and try reaching for a point that might actually matter" sort of thing, I guess.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

As time passes by in the world of brawl, it becomes harder to tell if the people you know are trully your friends or 2-faced....

Friends can argue, dude. XD

 

[clace]

I would go ahead and burst into tears like everyone else, clapping the OP, but I really don't think I fit in to this thing. I main Falcon because I've played with all characters, and in my honest opinion, Falcon is THE best. I don't main him because I like his character and want to work with it, even if he sucks, I main him because he's good, and I personally don't see what's so special about Snake and Wario etc.

 

[boom-man97]

your not a Tier Titan if you chose to main a char. even b4 the game came out im guessing...

 

[clace]

your not a Tier Titan if you chose to main a char. even b4 the game came out im guessing...

Technically there aren't tiers for Brawl yet, so the people your talking about aren't Tier Titans, they are just Popular Choice Titans. An important thing to remember is that for every 10 people who mained Snake because someone good did, there are two people who mained Snake because they were the people that did it well. We're also jumping to popular opinion by jumping on the character Snake, even though It's the players who chose him for the wrong reasons we should be jumping on, and ultimately trying to help.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

GRRRRRR!!!!

MAN, I wish I didn't suck with Snake. I love Snake SO much and I can't freaking play him. T_T

Him and Pit were going to be my mains before Sonic was announced.

 

[poisonplatypus]

Gimpyfish and Sliq are beasts, word

 

[Yuna]

Yuna once again you Fail in more ways then one. I never said that I played these people online. I play offline with them. I go to smashes, and other places to play them.

Funny, as you said this:
"And with what I have done and created with Peach so far, No way in hell I can see her as a bad character. Mid tier I say at best. But I also plan to back this up. I only been to 2 tournys. The rest were online for practice."

Sounds a lot to me like you're saying the rest of your important matches were online. But let's go with that they weren't online. They were still friendlies. Friendlies never count for anything (which I mentioned in my last post).

Friendlies are friendlies. People Play For Fun, To Learn and/or To Experiment a lot more in friendlies. Most people don't even care if they win in friendlies as they're just that friendlies. No one ever puts any weight on what you can do in friendlies.

I beat Metas and Snakes with Peach. But please qoute me when I said I don't lose to them. I dare you too. I beat them and lose to them just about the same. It's a hard match up for Peach obviously. and I do lose to them but I beat them just as much. So please get your azz off that logic please.

I dare you to quote me where I say you do not lose to them. Stop only partially reading posts and rewriting them at will to fit your arguments.

You said this:
"While Im over here beating the **** out of snakes and meta with Peach."

I've asked you repeatedly to name these Meta-Knights and Snakes you not only win over or go even with but who you "beat the ****" out of so I can go and verify if they're any good or if they're just randoms and in that case, there's no reason for you to mention them.

You, as usual, are highly exaggerating everything to make Peach look much better than she really is.

And Dont make excuses for People that I beat please all because You can see Peach beating them. Nother typical statement. I play these guys alot and we go back and fourth. They know the match up cause D1 also seconds Peach and plays a solid one. And he plays people with her alot. I lose against them as well as beat them. Your just to arrogant to believe Peach can pull it off.

Quote me where I said Peach can't pull it off. I've merely said that Peach is statistically improbable to be able to pull it off on a large scale.

Also just because I beat high tier characters with Peach, Don't Mean she is a god. Nor am I implying that. But I put enough hard work too pull it off. And soon I will show all just what the deal is.

I merely said that in the past, like early on when people were going "Peach isn't good anymore", you actually did claim Peach was good or at least that she most probably had hidden potential to make her High Tier. Funny how that turned out. Partial reading is bad for you.

And dude, with mango, dont give me that bull**** ok? No one expected a mid tier jiggz, even if it was mango himself winning that. People had their money on Azn,M2K, And like maybe three more. But mango was not a choice. And look at what he did. Mango alone ends your lil PMS crap.

Yes... we... did. Those of us who knew more than the average Smasher knew Jigglypuff could win. A lot of characters can win if they're played by good enough players. It's just harder.

While it was a surprise one finally managed to win a major tournament, it was a surprise because it's uncommon, not because we didn't think it could ever happen. Pretty much everyone down to Luigi can compete and win tournaments. Jigglypuff even has pretty even matchups against the Tops and Highs. They're not really that bad.

And yea I will go to tournaments and prove you wrong and everyone else who thinks of Peach just like you.

Until you actually do it, don't talk as if you've already done it.

Why dont you use her in tournaments and use her better than me.

Why should I do your job for you with a character I no longer enjoy maining as?

Place higher than I have. And in my future tournament. Why don't you play noob snakes or meta. Or just average ones and beat them.

What makes you think I am already not destroying many Snakes and Meta-Knights, some of them actually average or quasi-good?

Until you do better than me with Peach you have nothing to say about it and all the crap you bring about her is invalaid.

What kind of an inane argument is this? "You say Peach is pretty bad. Go out and play her and place well with her to prove she ain't that bad!" or alternatively "You say Peach is pretty bad. Go out there and lose a lot to prove this!"?

Stop dodging the questions:
1) Name these Meta-Knights and Snakes you're "beating the ****" out of (even though they were friendlies).
2) Name the people you've managed to get to say Peach is "cheap" (even though they were friendlies).
3) Name the people you've managed to sway to at least think about switching to Peach (even though they were friendlies).

I've asked you to do these things at least three times now. Stop throwing out outlandish claims and then refuse to substantiate or even address them when challenged.

As time passes by in the world of brawl, it becomes harder to tell if the people you know are trully your friends or 2-faced....

Good friends don't shower you with empty and invalid praise to superficially boost your ego, making you think something that's untrue. Ultimately, it'll lead to your downfall in the Competitive world of gaming. If he tells you you're great if you really aren't, you'll think you're great and maybe not work as hard to become better. Then you go up against people who actually are great and are beaten into a pulp.

Good friends speak the truth.

 

[Dark.Pch]

I already gave you names, Im not gonna sit here and right a book of names. You can ask around and get your answer.

And Im gonna say no you dont beat average or w/e type of people with high tiers with Peach. And with your typical statement, you make it sound like its so easy. So please do better than me then and prove that I have no skill and only beat high tiers cause people suck.

And de que diablo with the mango thing. Again with that? You mean to tell me everyone expected him too win that? This I'm gonna leave along. Your to blind to see the point.

Also I noticed where I started somthing. When I say I beat the **** out of snake and meta. This one I'll be a man and take the blame for. It was just an expression. Who does not feel good at one point beating a high tier with a under used character. You kept bringing it up so it got me thinking. Tuff and skilled metas I dont beat the **** out of. But I have beaten them. Same as for other characters that are up there. And I have gave you names of those people. And I know I said before that I lose to them as will. I pointed out that It goes even.

And For Ankoku comment, I dont care about. I got annoy of you saying it and hype yuna up even more.

Im getting infraction or w/e dealing with this kid and people who support him. So I'm gonna end this now. I'm gonna prove everyone wrong and as time passes, people will see Peach different. Until then keep the talk about how she is alive. Cause Im gonna enjoy crushing. Let it be known!

 

[Yuna]

I already gave you names, Im not gonna sit here and right a book of names. You can ask around and get your answer.

You gave me names of people you beat in friendlies, not people who call Peach "cheap", who you've managed to get to consider switching to Peach or whose Snakes and Meta-Knights you're "beating the ****" out of it. Am I to assume every single one of the people you named now call Peach "cheap" because of what you did to them, are considering switching to Peach and every single Meta and Snake you mentioned got "the ****" beaten out of them by you?

Also, it's all still friendlies. I mean, the only thing of note you've ever done (that you've told us about insofar) is manage to beat one Snake into losers once (in a tournament). Umm... wow! Peach is Top Tier!

And Im gonna say no you dont beat average or w/e type of people with high tiers with Peach. And with your typical statement, you make it sound like its so easy. So please do better than me then and prove that I have no skill and only beat high tiers cause people suck.

Wait... what?

Are you saying it's not easy to beat average players as Peach? Isn't your entire argument that Peach is pretty good? Which would mean that it should be quite easy to beat average players as Peach. If it's so friggin' hard, then she's obviously not all that good.

I have yet to make a reference to your skill as lacking. All I've ever done is speculate that maybe your opponents either suck or just don't have enough familiarity with the matchup. Who knows, maybe your Peach is quite good, which would explain why you've managed to take her so far.

But it still doesn't change the total of her potential, how good she is you go deeper. Personal skill trumphs Tier Lists and individual matchups. But sometimes, X-player's personal skill has to be tons better than Y-player's if X player's character is just that much worse than Y-character's.

Your argument is "Peach is actually quite good". Prove it. Go to tournaments. Do things. Take her far. Until such time, please, stop mouthing off about your prowess as Peach and what you've "done with her so far" and how you're "beating the **** out of Metas and Snakes" when you're not doing any of those things in tournaments but Online and in friendlies!

And de que diablo with the mango thing. Again with that? You mean to tell me everyone expected him too win that? This I'm gonna leave along. Your to blind to see the point.

Why must it either be "No one saw it coming" or "Everyone saw it coming"? No, everyone didn't see it coming. But some of us weren't surprised and some of us understand why and how Mango could win. Because Jigglypuff is actually quite good and capable of winning tournaments. No one expected a Jigglypuff to take a major tournament because there just were so darn few of them around compared to the Sheiks, Marths, Fox and Falcos.

But many of us knew that Jigglypuff could win and we weren't surprised that a Jigglypuff won because she was Jigglypuff. The only surprise came from the fact that there just aren't that many good ones out there.

Please read what other people write once in while because I've said these exact things already, yet you completely disregard them and make up bovine manure I never said into order to "refute" it.

It's nice to see your argumentation style hasn't change in the past few months. Instead of presenting real arguments, you ignore what people are saying and make up entirely new stuff. You also present tons of invalid arguments and when called on it ignore it or try to change the subject. Most of the time, you don't even bother reading what other people write, even when you don't disagree with them.

You'll grasp at anything to "win" the argument. Instead of going after their facts and their arguments, you'll try to find small flaws that really don't matter or entirely rewrite what they say to "counter" it with irrelevant arguments. You even misuse other people's posts to support your own, like when you quote Kidd saying he agreed with me and used it as proof as how I just "got my behind handed to me".

You're also quite a skilled employer of the Strawman's argument. I will sometimes do this by mistake when I misread posts when I skim them, but you've made it into an art. You do it in virtually every single post you write, like when you equated me saying "Some of use weren't surprised a Jigglypuff managed to win a major tournament because it was Jigglypuff because we knew Jigglypuff had the potential to win tournaments" as me saying "Everyone saw Mango taking Pound 3 coming!".

Um... yeah, no. That is not good debating.

Also I noticed where I started somthing. When I say I beat the **** out of snake and meta. This one I'll be a man and take the blame for. It was just an expression.

Or rather a blatant lie. Or at least heavy exaggeration. And then when I called you on it, you acted offended and as if I'd just made it up.

Who does not feel good at one point beating a high tier with a under used character.

"Wow, I managed to beat this High Tier with my Low Tier in a friendly! Praised be I!".

You kept bringing it up so it got me thinking. Tuff and skilled metas I dont beat the **** out of. But I have beaten them.

How many Metas have you beaten and how many Metas have beaten you? How many Metas have beaten the **** out of you? Also, how many tough and skilled Metas have you beaten in tournaments?

Going from what you've said insofar, your only feat in Brawl is to have once managed to beat one Snake player in the Winner's Bracket (but he eventually came back and won the entire tournament or whatever).

Same as for other characters that are up there. And I have gave you names of those people. And I know I said before that I lose to them as will. I pointed out that It goes even.

In friendlies. I've already told you that friendlies do not count for anything, least of all "proof of that my Low Tier is good". Come back to me once you've beaten a lot of really good people using High Tiers in tournaments.

And For Ankoku comment, I dont care about. I got annoy of you saying it and hype yuna up even more.

Ankoku agreed with me. Which means Ankoku thinks what I said (that specific thing) was right. Wow, I guess that was bad of him. Bad Ankoku! How dare he ever agree with something youb don't agree with.

Also, see the pattern here. Ankoku agrees with what I'm saying. He doesn't agree with what you're saying.

Im getting infraction or w/e dealing with this kid and people who support him. So I'm gonna end this now.

Some of us can be acerbic, sarcastic and heaten without getting infractions. In fact, I've received zero infractions for language. I've received two infractions (with a lot of time between them) for "minor spam" once for reposting a big facepalm picture and calling for others to do the same (not so smart) and once for "replying to SPAM" for replying in a stupid thread (and that one was yellow, hence, not a "real" infraction - 0 points).

Yet not once for language, flaming, what I said, whatever. Because some of us are capable of debating without resorting to flames, personal insults and expletives.

Im getting infraction or w/e dealing with this kid and people who support him. So I'm gonna end this now. I'm gonna prove everyone wrong and as time passes, people will see Peach different. Until then keep the talk about how she is alive. Cause Im gonna enjoy crushing. Let it be known!

Future tense. You have yet to prove anything with Peach. Managing to place 9th and 10th in two local tournaments don't establish anything. Managing to beat one single Snake in a single tournament doesn't really prove anything, either.

Prove that Peach is good. Be my guest. I'm not gonna try and stop you. I won't even mind if you actually succeed. But until you prove it, stop talking as if you've already proven it.

Until such time you prove Peach good, what I've said about Peach's potential still stands (because they're, you know, fact based).

 

[boss8]

mario is too good.....that is all

 

[Dark.Pch]

Anyone you can explain me point better to Yuna, please do so Im not gonna waste essays on him, this is getting annoying. And I said it feels good to me to beat high tiers with Peach. Never did I say you have to be proud. You keep making alot of excuses for a job done with Peach...and maybe other underuse characters.
If you get the point of Kidd's thread. Then Its over. Some one from my point of view end this for me. I have a tournament to train for next week, and I dont wanna go in a bad spirit of mind

 

[Testament27]

falcon, bowser, ness, and yoshi mains in the house?

 

[kirbster40]

So, is Mario an underused character?
Mario/Kirby are meh mains, I don't see many people using him, though.

 

[boss8]

So, is Mario an underused character?
Mario/Kirby are meh mains, I don't see many people using him, though.

i and 3 others are like mario's only hope to go up...and i will defend my statement....

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Anyone you can explain me point better to Yuna, please do so Im not gonna waste essays on him, this is getting annoying. And I said it feels good to me to beat high tiers with Peach. Never did I say you have to be proud. You keep making alot of excuses for a job done with Peach...and maybe other underuse characters.
If you get the point of Kidd's thread. Then Its over. Some one from my point of view end this for me. I have a tournament to train for next week, and I dont wanna go in a bad spirit of mind

Do it yourself.

This is a debate of personal believes, facts, and interpretations. It's your job to debate it, not others. By asking others to debate in your places it just seems like your running/dodging the questions directed at you.

 

[Yuna]

Anyone you can explain me point better to Yuna, please do so Im not gonna waste essays on him, this is getting annoying. And I said it feels good to me to beat high tiers with Peach. Never did I say you have to be proud. You keep making alot of excuses for a job done with Peach...and maybe other underuse characters.
If you get the point of Kidd's thread. Then Its over. Some one from my point of view end this for me. I have a tournament to train for next week, and I dont wanna go in a bad spirit of mind

Translation:
"I have, once again, clearly lost the debate and am hereby leaving"?

Why don't you justify some of the bovine manure that's come out of your mouth? Name these Snakes and Meta-Knights you "beat the ****" out of... wait, you admitted to that being a bold face lie/huge exaggeration.

Fine, then name these countless High Tiers you've been beaten and go toe-to-toe with... wait, you admitted to them being friendlies.

Fine, then name the following, which you refuse to do even though I've asked you to at least four times now:
* The people who have after playing your Peach expressed their belief that Peach is cheap in Brawl.
* The people who have, after playing you, considered switching from their High Tiers to Peach.

Every single thing you've said in this thread, expletives, flaming and general spewing of hatred aside, has been either a blatant lie, obvious exaggeration or something you've categorically refused to address when called on (like the "Cheap!" and "Switching mains" issues).

So name these people. Now. Or else I'll be forced to conclude everything you said in this thread was general BS.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Yeah, and I think people who say "Low tiers suck, don't use them!" are idiots... and that those who get insulted by Tier lists claiming their chracters are Low are stupid as well.

I mained Peach for Melee. When Brawl was first released, I immediately saw that her options were limited and dropped her like brick. Because it's not fun for me to have to work 10 times as hard as the average player to win. Oh, you wouldn't believe the whining on the Peach boards.

"You can still win if you're creative!", "Good playing will overcome Tiers, bad matchups and bad potential!", "You're traitors and XXXXXXs for abandoning Peach!", "Peach mainers unite! We proud and commendable who stick with Peach despite her being conceived as a Low Tier!".

This crap has got to stop and this thread, while commendable, is kinda falling in the same vein. The OP should just be:
"Play who you like to play as the most, who you have the most fun with. If you just love Peach, then by all means, play as her. If it's not fun for you to play as her because she has to work so hard now, then don't.

No one is special for who they main as, it's what you do with your character(s) that matters."

Really, I don't think that's what the OP is getting at.

The talk about early (prospective at this point) higher tier players being entrapenurs sort of throws this interpretation out the window.

What the OP is getting at is this, the metagame is still evolving very quickly. It's quite possible that a current prospective low tier character will develop a character-specific AT or some other metagame advance that allows him/her/it/potato to be propelled to top tier. Early prospective Top tier players did this by advancing Snake and MK's metagame, why could it not occur with some other character?

That's why low-tier users are being pointed out as entrapenurs. They're taking a great risk, that there will never be that great advance, to go after the reward, the possibility of finding this advance.

As an example, I've recently decided to pick up Yoshi as a secondary, not because I particularly like the character, but it's recently discovered that he has some very interesting ATs. Nobody knows yet whether this will actually turn him into a good character, but I'm intrigued enough to actually take a risk, and see if I can, along with the other Yoshi players, use these techniques to advance his metagame to the point of him being a legitimate mid tier, or better.

That's what being an entrapenur is, not sticking with a poor character just because, but trying to find something that others have missed, something that turns a poor character into an awesome one.

 

[Morrigan]

If things keep going as they are this thread will get closed in no time. Such a nice thread.

 

[GimmeAnFSharp]

Should've been closed about 10 pages ago...

 

[Dark.Pch]

Translation:
"I have, once again, clearly lost the debate and am hereby leaving"?

Why don't you justify some of the bovine manure that's come out of your mouth? Name these Snakes and Meta-Knights you "beat the ****" out of... wait, you admitted to that being a bold face lie/huge exaggeration.

Fine, then name these countless High Tiers you've been beaten and go toe-to-toe with... wait, you admitted to them being friendlies.

Fine, then name the following, which you refuse to do even though I've asked you to at least four times now:
* The people who have after playing your Peach expressed their belief that Peach is cheap in Brawl.
* The people who have, after playing you, considered switching from their High Tiers to Peach.

Every single thing you've said in this thread, expletives, flaming and general spewing of hatred aside, has been either a blatant lie, obvious exaggeration or something you've categorically refused to address when called on (like the "Cheap!" and "Switching mains" issues).

So name these people. Now. Or else I'll be forced to conclude everything you said in this thread was general BS.

Dude do you just want a fight? I ended this BS already and now you wanna start up more crap with your snippy remarks? And what debate have I lost to you against? If you are talking about the Peach one, dude you got turned down by everyone. Even a mod came in and got in on it. Then finally you left with your crap.

I back up what I Had to say, and beat skilled people. And gave you names.

My point is really easy. And I said what I did to back it up. And my WHOLE point is Peach is better than you or anyone else sees her as. AndI have proved that here. And I will do more of that when I enter more tournaments.

It does not get any simple to explain than that. I dont like you and you dont like me. Thats why I ended it all so this wont go on and I wont get annoyed by you. And everyone is happy.

Also I can name them easy, but one question. What eould that Prove if you dont know them? You would come off as, " They are nobodys so that is not saying much" or w/e excuse to that relation. Thats why I did not say thier names. How will that proof anything to you about. The names I did give you are the ones that place high here and are currenty the best. And these people were not easy nether obviously but I have beaten them. Give me the reason for this info and I'll make my list. Those names that I gave out are the ones that matter.

Want me to prove my point to YOU in tournaments? NP Anything else you want?

Also I said I used " beat the ****" as an expression What part of that cant you understand?

 

[GodotAA]

i <3 internet arguements



D pch beat me...my mk is pretty decent

i just think i wasnt ready for peach to actually do somethine >_>

 

[Dark.Pch]

i <3 internet arguements



D pch beat me...my mk is pretty decent

i just think i wasnt ready for peach to actually do somethine >_>

Ha ha ha. I love when I give people that expression. I was doing all day at the smashfest on saturday.

GGs though dude. Matches were fun.

 

[Smasher89]

I agree, it´s alot of benefit playing not so much used characters, one of my experiences as an IC(melee for most part, but working with them in brawl) main is that player that have like never faced an IC gets grabbed easier=alot easier to beat. Top tier characters is those characters people practise the most against and learn to cheap/gimp the best, even though they like always have amazing recovery/oppoturnity to recover...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Dude do you just want a fight? I ended this BS already and now you wanna start up more crap with your snippy remarks? And what debate have I lost to you against? If you are talking about the Peach one, dude you got turned down by everyone. Even a mod came in and got in on it. Then finally you left with your crap.

I back up what I Had to say, and beat skilled people. And gave you names.

My point is really easy. And I said what I did to back it up. And my WHOLE point is Peach is better than you or anyone else sees her as. AndI have proved that here. And I will do more of that when I enter more tournaments.

It does not get any simple to explain than that. I dont like you and you dont like me. Thats why I ended it all so this wont go on and I wont get annoyed by you. And everyone is happy.

Also I can name them easy, but one question. What eould that Prove if you dont know them? You would come off as, " They are nobodys so that is not saying much" or w/e excuse to that relation. Thats why I did not say thier names. How will that proof anything to you about. The names I did give you are the ones that place high here and are currenty the best. And these people were not easy nether obviously but I have beaten them. Give me the reason for this info and I'll make my list. Those names that I gave out are the ones that matter.

Want me to prove my point to YOU in tournaments? NP Anything else you want?

Also I said I used " beat the ****" as an expression What part of that cant you understand?

To be fair, you still should have named them.

If you provided tournament placings along with that/videos of the fights it would show the proof. If he tries to go, "LOL FAILZ!!!!11111" about their skill you would have proof of their skill through standings to shut him up.

You have said people, never a persons name or nickname. By doing such it has made you sound unreliable.

 

[Zankoku]

And For Ankoku comment, I dont care about. I got annoy of you saying it and hype yuna up even more.

Okay, what the ****. I'm sorry, but this is probably the worst offense you could ever make to me. I sometimes agree with Yuna's points, but I don't remember sharing his opinion on almost anything for a while now. The last thing I need is someone taking someone else's words and putting them into my mouth. I said what I said and I guess Yuna happened to agree with it AFTERWARD. I'm not Yuna, I'm not Other Person In My Crew Who Says Something I Don't Agree With At All, and I most certainly won't accept anyone pulling that kind of **** on me.

Don't talk to me, don't even mention my name. Ever.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Okay, what the ****. I'm sorry, but this is probably the worst offense you could ever make to me. I sometimes agree with Yuna's points, but I don't remember sharing his opinion on almost anything for a while now. The last thing I need is someone taking someone else's words and putting them into my mouth. I said what I said and I guess Yuna happened to agree with it AFTERWARD. I'm not Yuna, I'm not Other Person In My Crew Who Says Something I Don't Agree With At All, and I most certainly won't accept anyone pulling that kind of **** on me.

Don't talk to me, don't even mention my name. Ever.

Huh, what?

Granted the grammar was bad, but Dark.Pch seemed to be annoyed that you agreed with Yuna about this period.

There was no suggestion that you and Yuna are in some kind of conspiracy, just annoyance that you agree with Yuna on this point in general.

Please this thread has enough drama already.

 

[nirniva]

"It would be sweet to own with Snake, but it would be even sweeter to own with Jigglypuff. "
Sigged.

 

[RDK]

How is saying "I beat good people with Peach" suficient proof for Peach being underrated?

Give tourmanet results, plz.

 

[Blackshadow]

You could honestly re-write this thread as the script for the season finale of The Young and the Restless.

 

[Believer]

I haven't been keeping up with this. In fact, this is my first post on SmashBoards. But I completely agree with the first post.

Personally, I'm picking up Zero Suit Samus.

That's the best thing about Brawl. There is no real tier list. As the videos at the beginning of this thread showed, really any character can pwn. All the tier list means is that more people use those characters in tournaments, it doesn't make the other characters, the ones that might be called low tier or bottom tier, are bad.

How is saying "I beat good people with Peach" suficient proof for Peach being underrated?

Give tourmanet results, plz.

How would tourney results prove Peach is underrated?

 

[adumbrodeus]

I haven't been keeping up with this. In fact, this is my first post on SmashBoards. But I completely agree with the first post.

Personally, I'm picking up Zero Suit Samus.

That's the best thing about Brawl. There is no real tier list. As the videos at the beginning of this thread showed, really any character can pwn. All the tier list means is that more people use those characters in tournaments, it doesn't make the other characters, the ones that might be called low tier or bottom tier, are bad.



How would tourney results prove Peach is underrated?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.

Tiers exist, deal with it. It's impossible for any two things that are different to be equal. You can get close to it, but if popularity was all that defines tier lists, how come Street Fighter 2 Turbo players consider Akuma top tier? Nobody ever plays him except in casuals.


The reason is because he obliterates every character that fights him if the skills of the players are even close.


Same would apply for snake and MK, if nobody played them, they'd still have the same ability, just it would be untapped.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Okay, what the ****. I'm sorry, but this is probably the worst offense you could ever make to me. I sometimes agree with Yuna's points, but I don't remember sharing his opinion on almost anything for a while now. The last thing I need is someone taking someone else's words and putting them into my mouth. I said what I said and I guess Yuna happened to agree with it AFTERWARD. I'm not Yuna, I'm not Other Person In My Crew Who Says Something I Don't Agree With At All, and I most certainly won't accept anyone pulling that kind of **** on me.

Don't talk to me, don't even mention my name. Ever.

Ok what the hell is wrong with you? Did I say annoy bad about you? I said you bringing that up annoyed me and this was before Yuna posted. And then Yuna decided to use it and annoy me even more. For once, you could have asked instead of turning the other cheek. I made that quite clear.

So if you wanna be like that then fine. I said your comment annoyed me.....thats it.

 

[Zankoku]

You know exactly what you said. After all, I quoted it.

Talk to someone else. Not me.

 

[dawgbowl]

to lazy to read what is probably a flame war, but cheers!

Very good explaination. I play Lucas... I think he's somewhere in the middle right?
Maybe lower, but I definately play an "all or nothing" Lucas.

(IE if I have you slightly off guard, except that ever so addictive upsmash.)

 

[RDK]

I haven't been keeping up with this. In fact, this is my first post on SmashBoards. But I completely agree with the first post.

Personally, I'm picking up Zero Suit Samus.

That's the best thing about Brawl. There is no real tier list.

Uh, just because there's not an established list yet doesn't mean that there aren't tiers in the game.

As the videos at the beginning of this thread showed, really any character can pwn.

Alright then. Go enter a tournament using only Captain Falcon and see how far you get.

All the tier list means is that more people use those characters in tournaments, it doesn't make the other characters, the ones that might be called low tier or bottom tier, are bad.

Tier lists don't determine what characters are bad; the character's viability are what determine the tier lists.

And tier lists aren't made based on what characters are PLAYED, it's based on what charactesrs WIN.

How would tourney results prove Peach is underrated?

Because if Peach players started miraculously winning tournament spots over well-known Snake players, then I would be inclined to believe Peach has been underrated thus far.