Tripping Explained

[Soviet]

Here's the video of Falcon getting owned after the trip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g175HCOb2c0

He trips at 1:51. He dashes forward after a throw, trips, and gets KO'ed. Sure, he might have invincibility frames, but it doesn't even matter since he's a sitting duck. The second he tried to recover, Hugs smashed him off the level. I don't care about the statistics and when/why/how tripping occurs. It's a mechanic that does not belong in the game. Get this garbage off of the US version.

dont play brawl

 

[JayceMJ]

dont play brawl

I'm not sure anyone can honestly say they like tripping. Considering the amount of people waiting for this game and how much hype its received I think people are justified in their disappointment and complaints about SLIPPING (tripping).

 

[Nuvia]

I like tripping in the sense that it adds a kind of realism.

 

[SiegKnight]

Sakurai has been quoted plenty of times as having said he wants Smash to be a competetively intense game but that has a bit of random factor into it. He seems to like unpredictability, so maybe you really did sign yourself a deal with the devil by getting so attached to the more vs friendly melee.

Vs Brawl aside from being arguably the most laggy game I've played on nintendo wifi is also incredibly stale as a 1 v 1 game without them unpredictable factors, and I can say this having played plenty of other fighters competetively. Not Melee, but considering all the depth that gets thrown about in discussions here and how I imagine fusing things together in Brawls movement patterns (getting no results at all) and how I always then hear it was an actual technique in Melee, well... I think that was more suited to competetive play infinitely.

Not saying I'd not rather tripping be removed altogether and have a more competetive game, but Brawl is boring as **** as a vs game as it is now. I'm hoping to try 2 v 2 and hope I don't fall asleep with the bare bones *** spacing game that can be found in any Street Fighter - albiet with less likable characters and all...

Its ironically really fun as a FFA or single player game, and I feel so silly liking it for that as I've always been a very serious player of fighting games...

Tripping does make you consider quick ways to punish it when they get bad luck, though. Just makes your mind wander around good ways to punish them very bad for it and then puts you to the test to always use it for every trip you see. Albiet I feel so weird using the term 'punish' when its not really a mistake on their part at all.

Thats as tactical as tripping gets really.

Knowledge is appreciated though. (keeping off ice forever now x.x heh)

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

dont play brawl

Take into consideration the internation appeal that this game has. despite the chances of this occuring, it's still an unwelcome, unforseen variable that can deter any level of gameplay. I can only assume that Sakurai would include this for comical reasons. This will become an endeavor in both casual and tournament play.

I personally find it to be hilarious, though.


@ The above poster; That's just your personal preferance. Brawl may not meet the standards as a typical, run-of-the-mill 2D fighter that doesn't have the standard mechanics of a game such as 3S, Tekken, Guilty Gear or SF2, but your statement towards the games fun factor is completely biased, because many people love it as a 1v1 fighter. After playing at Champ Combo Pocket on sunday, it made me realize the unprecedented amount of potential the game has thanks to it's momentum based system.

So please, try to find your own definition of "fun", and simply stick to your opinions.

 

[SiegKnight]

I am indeed sticking to my opinions and I am voicing them as I bloody well please. I found my own definition of fun, and I'm quite certainly sure of my opinions. I even voiced them.

What kind of point are you making? If anything you're just saying your view is different. 'Stick to my opinions?' What are you on about?

'Thats just your personal preference...'

Of course it is, god. Who elses preference would it be? Great you think that way. I'm certainly sticking to the way I play, you don't seem to be since your view seems to be directed against me, or you're trying to find ways of pitting it in war vs mine when theres nothing really to be disputed objectively about opinion in the first place.

Are you mad?

 

[Soviet]

I am indeed sticking to my opinions and I am voicing them as I bloody well please. I found my own definition of fun, and I'm quite certainly sure of my opinions. I even voiced them.

What kind of point are you making? If anything you're just saying your view is different. 'Stick to my opinions?' What are you on about?

'Thats just your personal preference...'

Of course it is, god. Who elses preference would it be? Great you think that way. I'm certainly sticking to the way I play, you don't seem to be since your view seems to be directed against me, or you're trying to find ways of pitting it in war vs mine when theres nothing really to be disputed objectively about opinion in the first place.

Are you mad?

baaaaaw dont play brawl if you hate it so much

 

[Yuna]

Wrong. I've tripped in the middle of a dash (without releasing the control stick) unless I'm mistaken.

 

[SiegKnight]

I like brawl for my own reasons, I even said that in my post. I don't think anyone at SWF can read properly now. Can someone prove me wrong?

 

[Soviet]

I like brawl for my own reasons, I even said that in my post. I don't think anyone at SWF can read properly now. Can someone prove me wrong?

lol are you mad?

 

[Senshuu]

I like tripping in the sense that it adds a kind of realism.

That.

If this very small chance causes you to lose, then maybe you just should.

I find it funny.

 

[Soviet]

That.

If this very small chance causes you to lose, then maybe you just should.

I find it funny.

i would like to see someone about to win a tournament and then they trip and lose and they cry and have to call their mom to come pick them up through tears

 

[JayceMJ]

I like brawl for my own reasons, I even said that in my post. I don't think anyone at SWF can read properly now. Can someone prove me wrong?

I think what you did wrong is say that we should have expected this since we were dealing with the random devil. However we all have certain expectations that we gained from playing Melee.

In Smash 64 there were very little options. IIRC Items couldn't even be turned off. Now jump to Smash Melee, all the sudden we're given tons of options and we can turn of the main gimmick of the game which contributes to a lot of the random element of the game, items. This is a boon to everyone who enjoys choice and would like to play the game based on skill more than luck. See, we had the option for the random element in Melee.

Now come Brawl. We still have that choice, however a stick is thrown into our bike pegs with slipping. I think anyone would be pissed at the kid that knocked us off our bike. Basically for some reason he removed the whole random explosive containers and replaced it with something that has nothing to do with items at all and you have no option to turn off.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I am indeed sticking to my opinions and I am voicing them as I bloody well please. I found my own definition of fun, and I'm quite certainly sure of my opinions. I even voiced them.

What kind of point are you making? If anything you're just saying your view is different. 'Stick to my opinions?' What are you on about?

'Thats just your personal preference...'

Of course it is, god. Who elses preference would it be? Great you think that way. I'm certainly sticking to the way I play, you don't seem to be since your view seems to be directed against me, or you're trying to find ways of pitting it in war vs mine when theres nothing really to be disputed objectively about opinion in the first place.

Are you mad?

Just to quote you on something...

Not saying I'd not rather tripping be removed altogether and have a more competetive game, but Brawl is boring as **** as a vs game as it is now. I'm hoping to try 2 v 2 and hope I don't fall asleep with the bare bones *** spacing game that can be found in any Street Fighter - albiet with less likable characters and all...

Its ironically really fun as a FFA or single player game, and I feel so silly liking it for that as I've always been a very serious player of fighting games...

You're speaking as this has been established as a fact insted of personal preferance. Perhaps you could have used the phrase "In my opinion" just to ensure that you sre simply speaking from mild experience instead of establishing it as a truth. Not saying you meant to sound like this, it just doesn't leave that impression.

 

[Senshuu]

i would like to see someone about to win a tournament and then they trip and lose and they cry and have to call their mom to come pick them up through tears

Tripping! It's just like Reality!

I'd be afraid of your scenario just because scary gamers are scary, and these days someone might go off on a Killing Rampage just because they lost a Brawl tourney...to tripping.

27 found dead when Joe Bloe lost a tournament---AND HIS MIND. He left a note: "TRIPPING IS BULL@#$%, SEE YOU ALL IN HELL" and proceeded to unload his gun on everyone in the vicinity.

You see what this world is (possibly) coming too?!

 

[SiegKnight]

To EPF

I play the game kinda night and day (past two weeks) as theres nothing better to do and I dabble on and off on ok wifi connections, often with random people I aim from here. I think I know enough to form an opinion. A valid one. I also don't work yet and yet I've passed from school; I likely have more hours clocked on it than you, for what little that might count here.

It only leaves that impression on you that I thought I was speaking fact because I like to give basis for my views. Contrary to popular belief you can have a thorough understanding of competetive gaming and still find Smash Brawl shallow... In the 1 v 1 department. Preference, put simply. Your preference is really no better than mine, and vice versa, of course.

As for the other guy... Yeah, I was more saying the random devil was more something I sympathise with the melee vets on, rather than say its just punishment for liking the nature. I don't think its right that tripping is in, I even stated that plenty of times. Brawl is fun to me for other reasons than the general vs fighter, see, and that was my main point. And its because of things like this.

 

[Soviet]

To EPF

I play the game kinda night and day (past two weeks) as theres nothing better to do and I dabble on and off on ok wifi connections, often with random people I aim from here. I think I know enough to form an opinion. A valid one. I also don't work yet and yet I've passed from school; I likely have more hours clocked on it than you, for what little that might count here.

It only leaves that impression on you that I thought I was speaking fact because I like to give basis for my views. Contrary to popular belief you can have a thorough understanding of competetive gaming and still find Smash Brawl shallow... In the 1 v 1 department. Preference, put simply. Your preference is really no better than mine, and vice versa, of course.

As for the other guy... Yeah, I was more saying the random devil was more something I sympathise with the melee vets on, rather than say its just punishment for liking the nature. I don't think its right that tripping is in, I even stated that plenty of times. Brawl is fun to me for other reasons than the general vs fighter, see, and that was my main point. And its because of things like this.

not quoting people that youre responding to is pretty rude learn some good manner plz

 

[SiegKnight]

I'm lazy, its 10 am here and I haven't slept all night. T_T sue me.

edit ~

I think, more than alot of things I also said the random dealings as to offer an explanation for brawls change. Alot of people seemed to be clueless as to Sakurai's motive in including a silly mechanic like tripping. Well... There you go. Its my 2 cents even if it might not be a solid reason for some.

You are, of course, allowed to have expectations for brawls competetive scene after the bar melee set regardless of how a game tries to evolve itself or where it puts its focus - obviously more on unpredictability this time.

We a lil more straight now? ^_^;

 

[Soviet]

I'm lazy, its 10 am here and I haven't slept all night. T_T sue me.

edit ~

I think, more than alot of things I also said the random dealings as to offer an explanation for brawls change. Alot of people seemed to be clueless as to Sakurai's motive in including a silly mechanic like tripping. Well... There you go. Its my 2 cents even if it might not be a solid reason for some.

You are, of course, allowed to have expectations for brawls competetive scene after the bar melee set regardless of how a game tries to evolve itself or where it puts its focus - obviously more on unpredictability this time.

We a lil more straight now? ^_^;

too lazy to hit a single button but not so lazy as to be unable to type up long rambling posts that no one is going to read

lol ok

 

[SiegKnight]

Worst troll ever and I don't even reg here.

 

[fishsticks]

2. You have a greater chance of tripping the more damaged you are, at extremely high percentages it becomes more likley.

Someone open up training mode, set a CPU to 999%, then make it run.

 

[2L84U]

It fits what I've experienced.
But I didn't know it can only happen when you change the direction of the control stick more than once.

 

[Yuna]

It fits what I've experienced.
But I didn't know it can only happen when you change the direction of the control stick more than once.

False. I've tripped upon my initial dash at the start of a match. Most of the info in the original post is bogus.

I don't know who originally wrote those things down. I don't care who did it. They are wrong.

 

[Rhyfelwyr]

I'm going to summarize what parts of this is false/true according to Hitaku's research in the other thread.

1. Your chance of tripping is extremely low, less than 1%, on a slippery surface like ice it rises to around 1-3%

This is true.

2. You have a greater chance of tripping the more damaged you are, at extremely high percentages it becomes more likley.

Untrue.

3. Certain moves increase your chance of tripping temporarily, lucas's downtilt, stunning moves (like electricity) and so forth do this. (PS Also elemental damage actually matters in this game, and effects how characters move, how likley they are to be knocked off, and so forth, though not enough to be outwardly noticed)

Luca's downtilt is confirmed to increase the likely hood of a character tripping. The whole elemental thing I think hasn't been tested.

4. You can only trip if you tap and immediatley release the control stick. So normal moving is fine, but dashdancing, or foxtrotting (repeatedly tapping forward to move instead of dashing) gives you a chance to trip. The trip is triggered upon the release, and it can only happen if you do it more than once in succession. So if you simply reverse direction or dash tap once, you won't trip.

This is the big thing that's wrong. Tapping/smashing the control stick forward, regardless of whether you hold it there or not, carries a chance of tripping.

5. When you trip you are invulnerable for the entirety of the trip animation, so tripping cant leave you open to an attack, it just kills your momentum so to speak. "

The trip does leave you invulnerable during the animation, but it can leave you open to attack if you don't react to roll right away.

 

[Hitaku]

I don't understand why there is still arguing about this. T_T

We have all of the correct info and its only a link away from you all. I posted where you can find all of the info on the first page but unless some of you didn't chose to read the first page.

Link: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=140600&page=20

Please just go read the dang data and judge for yourself. I told you all where you can find it.

To answer everyones question. Yes there are flaws in what this thread said. This thread was quoting someone who incorrectly gathered information from what I said and posted it on the IGN boards.

I even made the last post on the thread (at this time) explain what pages contain what data so you all can judge for yourselves.

 

[Finch]

Tripping! It's just like Reality!

I'd be afraid of your scenario just because scary gamers are scary, and these days someone might go off on a Killing Rampage just because they lost a Brawl tourney...to tripping.

27 found dead when Joe Bloe lost a tournament---AND HIS MIND. He left a note: "TRIPPING IS BULL@#$%, SEE YOU ALL IN HELL" and proceeded to unload his gun on everyone in the vicinity.

You see what this world is (possibly) coming too?!

Have you even met more than like 3 gamers who don't just play WoW 24/7? People aren't like that, especially those that go to tourneys because those are the ones that have some semblance of regular social interaction. People like to write angry posts on the internet but in real life almost no one is like that.

 

[HollaAtchaBoy]

Wrong. I've tripped in the middle of a dash (without releasing the control stick) unless I'm mistaken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oacap2DqfJ8

As ROB I trip during a dash as well. You can't tell from watching it, but I I simply started going left and tripped during the initial dash animation. I did -NOT- let go of the Control Stick.