Wario Video & Critique Thread -- Diamond City Theater

[waldorf2007]

loooool I like at the end with the super saiyan mvp thing around you, commentary on the lotion was hilarious.
oh yeah and good wario stuff too I suppose.

 

[SnackAttack]

http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

Watch tomorrow and offer any critique possible.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

More to come in the next couple days--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCgyS860l20

 

[Croi]

No Warrior Code? Alabama is a terrible place.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

If I'm better than who I'm playing, I'll get more grabs. I shouldn't have to handicap myself to make it more fair.

DRN follows those rules, but, that's one of the reasons he lost $10 to me in a Wario ditto at that tournament.

I don't mind doing it in friendlies if that's what the other person wants, but I'll definitely use my superior skill to win in tournament.

 

[DMG]

I see someone else realizes the glory of Fair in the Ditto.

Gonna have to Ditto MM you sometime Reflex.

 

[Croi]

If I'm better than who I'm playing, I'll get more grabs. I shouldn't have to handicap myself to make it more fair.

Haha, says the #1 Wario in NA

 

[Croi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPYqhJdg7OY vs $5 MM

This guy only secondary's Marth, but that aside I thought I played fairly swag.

 

[Pwneroni]

Such good videos posted here! I can't decide weather to make a combo video or a tire instructional video right now. Maybe a hybrid? xD

 

[Tesh]

I could use some advice here. Got some tournament videos of my Wario from this past weekend.

Tesh vs Gnes

Game 3 I went


Tesh / vs Panty

Eh, as you can see I got domolished there with Wario. Had no idea what I was supposed to do. Both of us are always in the air, but his stuff his harder, stays out longer and has so much range. Then he can kill me at 90. Its so tough when I can't punish his landings easily.

Anyway I definitely need help with the Wario vs GnW matchup just in case of CPs my Sonic won't like.

 

[waldorf2007]

that feel when you commit to a falling dair and TL just holds his uair out there like a ****ing suicide fall on your sword *******.
that feel

 

[Pwneroni]

Damn Tesh those are some awesome matches! You had some really good farts in there, my favorite was the first match first stock against TL

I noticed a few things while I was watching your matches. The first and most glaring was the complete lack of Wario's Nair. Nair is such a legit move, it had decent range and the hitboxes are amazing. The first hitbox of Nair has good knockback, the second hit lasts FOREVER and can link into moves like grab, Fart, Fsmash or even tire dthrow glidetoss to Fsmash. Nair is especially useful against Toon Link because of it's lasting hitbox, as well as it is really great at grabbing items. Nair is also Wario's best move out of shield!

The second bit of advice I have for you is to utilize tires more! ESPECIALLY when your opponent is offstage, that is prime time to edge crash your bike and Uthrow it, then you can grab the ledge. This makes recovering sooo much more intimidating for your opponent, because onstage is a bouncing motorcycle that will do huge damage if they touch it, and you are hogging the ledge waiting to ledge drop Nair and stage spike them, or ledge hop Bair for the gimp. Wario ***** offstage, just don't get too risky.
Tires are really good against both Toon Link and GnW, if you know their limitations. They are destroyed the instant they touch another hitbox or a shield, so one of their best uses is for zoning and stage control. Uthrowing a tire from the ground gives it the most air possible, so you can use tires in this manner to try and wrestle stage control away from your opponent. Also, prediction and patience are key in this matchup. Check out this match, it is myself versus D_Mac, a really good WA Toon Link player. Wario can really take the fight all over the map if he's careful!

Pwneroni vs Dmac 1

As for GnW, that matchup is pretty rough for Wario since he has no disjoints..... Oh wait a second, he does! The bike and tires of course! The bike itself may be more useful in this matchup, since GnW has so many lasting hitboxes it will simply shred the tires themselves if you're not super precise. The trick is to bob and weave around his aerials, then punish him afterward. Gnw has quick moves in the air, but Wario is quicker and dodgier. Edge crash the bike and Uthrow in on the ledge, then grab the ledge to make his recovery quite a bit tougher, weave in and out with Dair and Nair, remembering his slight lag on performing ground moves. Good luck my good sir and great Wario!

 

[Tesh]

I really don't get the toon link matchup. It feels like I really shouldn't ever be able to get past his range and mobility, but I do when I'm patient.

I'm more worried about Gnw vs Wario on stages like RC/Brinstar/Frigate or just smaller areas where I wouldn't use Sonic. What would you recommend I do if I can't Bike safely or use tires.

 

[Iota]

If you can't use your bike or tires then you want to be poking with spaced aerials (usually fairs) you want to be very careful in this MU or else you'll be dying at 80-90% from one of his very powerful smashes. DJ air camping isn't very useful for this MU due to his very good aerial priority so you'll want to stay closer to the ground (I.e. instead of DJ air camping just use FH or SH air camping you'll still be using DJ air camping just not as much). Don't worry about killing or keeping the lead in this MU just play patient and eventually either he'll die from a bair or a nair offstage or he'll make a mistake leaving him open for a clap/waft. Grab is very useful in this MU so make use of it to the fullest. For beating his aerials specifically....Fair, bair, and f-tilt outrange his nair (or at least are fast enough to sneak between its hitboxes), you can punish his bair with your bair if you shield it while facing away from him even if he spaces correctly iirc, don't bother challenging his dair just punish it oos if he mispaces it or go for a position reset, and the same thing that applies for dair applies to fair. Lord Chair knows the most about this MU so he'll probably give you the best advice on the MU along with probably telling me I'm incorrect about this stuff lol.

 

[Pwneroni]

^^^^ legit! Didn't think about punishing GnW's Bair with a Bair of our own.

Some vids from a recent tournament. Lots more were recorded

VS Metaknight!
Pwneroni vs Eggz LF 1 [March 2012]
Pwneroni vs Eggz LF 2 [March 2012]
Pwneroni vs Eggz LF 3 [March 2012]
Pwneroni vs Eggz LF4 [March 2012]
Pwneroni vs Eggz LF 5 [March 2012]

Such an intense set. Could tell I was a bit too aggro at some points, and having the bike onstage against a skilled MK can be bad news for recovering. IMO it's worth it though in order to utilize those gems otherwise known as tires! Have some good sets against D3 as well, uploading now.

 

[Labernash]

Ohhhh... It's been too long, Mr. Pwn.

I've missed your Wario.

 

[Lord Chair]

Yeah you're incorrect about punishing G&W's bair with your own bair, that generally won't work.

Tbh this is another one of those MUs people tend to find very difficult because they don't know how to manage ground<>air transitions and have hopeless DJ habits. You have to zone G&W horizontally, even though that may sound counterinstinctive. His spacing requires space and he gives up bits of stage control every time he wants to land his moves safely, he cannot retake that stage control without committing to stuff that can get him hit.

That's really the core of the MU and sadly the part where it goes wrong for just about every Wario I see playing it.

 

[Croi]

I only ever played one really good G&W once (Alphicans) and I seemed to have an easier time against him by focusing more on my ground game.

 

[Tesh]

Yeah you're incorrect about punishing G&W's bair with your own bair, that generally won't work.

Tbh this is another one of those MUs people tend to find very difficult because they don't know how to manage ground<>air transitions and have hopeless DJ habits. You have to zone G&W horizontally, even though that may sound counterinstinctive. His spacing requires space and he gives up bits of stage control every time he wants to land his moves safely, he cannot retake that stage control without committing to stuff that can get him hit.

That's really the core of the MU and sadly the part where it goes wrong for just about every Wario I see playing it.

I think he meant OoS or during the gap before he lands.

Got any videos I could look at?

 

[xzx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq8QI6FfcZ0

A swedish national brawl tournament, hosted by me and my twinbrother ccst. More vids from me (my Wario) may eventually come (don't know if any more tournament matches of mine got recorded). Please comment and critique both Warios. Also, post the vid on the Wario section on the OP! Thanks in advance!

 

[Iota]

Yeah you're incorrect about punishing G&W's bair with your own bair, that generally won't work.

Tbh this is another one of those MUs people tend to find very difficult because they don't know how to manage ground<>air transitions and have hopeless DJ habits. You have to zone G&W horizontally, even though that may sound counterinstinctive. His spacing requires space and he gives up bits of stage control every time he wants to land his moves safely, he cannot retake that stage control without committing to stuff that can get him hit.

That's really the core of the MU and sadly the part where it goes wrong for just about every Wario I see playing it.

Generally during his landing lag I've punished his bair with Wario's oos but he can (I think) shield before bair comes out, it doesn't hurt to try though from my experience. I agree completely with the rest of what you said, I had to learn that stuff the hard way <.<

 

[Pwneroni]

OMG xzx your Wario is so good! Raaaape!!!!!! Love your tire play! :D Really top notch patience too, you forced that Wario to approach when you were ahead! I could learn a few things from you totally

 

[Iota]

...I didn't know Pargol played offline. His approaching is too basic and predictable, He needs to mix up with SH/FH pokes. He also needs to stop being so aggressive overall and stop fishing for f-smashes as much as he does. Love your Wario Xzx, wish there were more good Warios like yours in the states so people didn't think he was a bad char :/

 

[Waymas]

i have a tourney on saturday! ill give you the links later! I have been hella inactive due to my new job xD but ill try to come here more often.Btw guys i think is time to make another matchup thread !

 

[ぱみゅ]

Good luck Waymas!!

 

[xzx]

@Pwneroni: Wow thank you so much for the critique, that made my day! =D This filled me with so much joy right now, thank you very much!! <3

@Iota: Yeah, he plays very much the ladder at AiB, but when there are offline tournaments, he use to come to them. But at the tourney, he sent me to the losers bracket (he 2-0:d me). He later lost to someone in the WB and we ended up battling each other a second time. Trust me, Pargol plays very good.

Also thank you so much for the critique, warmed my heart too! <3 =D

@Buff: Yeah, I agree with you. We really need a new MU thread. If you want I can handle it. I wanna have every Wario main's opinion on every MU (ratios). Then we could discuss them and so forth.

Note: More videos from that tournament will come in about a month.

 

[xzx]

* I have done a new thread, check it out!

 

[Waymas]

awesome ill check it out!

 

[Pwneroni]

Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present you with my newest combo video, "Rubber RAVE!" a Wario bike and tire combo video! ITS FREAKIN AWESOME!!!!! heeheehehheehhehhheee

 

[TheReflexWonder]

More videos from my most recent tournament--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCmsl0nBRkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-pq-AS4qu4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e-bFewg_vY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gMkxMt2hs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXGsY2yIYFQ

...So much Diddy Kong. ._.

 

[Waymas]

really gj reflex!

 

[Pwneroni]

More videos from my most recent tournament--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCmsl0nBRkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-pq-AS4qu4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e-bFewg_vY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gMkxMt2hs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXGsY2yIYFQ

...So much Diddy Kong. ._.

WOW Reflex you have such a cool Wario! You are so good with items, so much different than my playstyle but extremely effective! I really think you could benefit from including the bike and tires into your game more. The few times you had tires in your hand, you really got some good hits in. All you have to do is basically remember to pull your bike out when you have space. It's really quick, you can do it safely and minimize the risk. In return you receive a sweet new tool that can lead to traps, shield pressure, safe approaches and combos! :D

 

[BPx]

i remember when i thought tires were good, then i played people with brains

 

[Pwneroni]

LOL BPx what happened when you played against them?

 

[Tesh]

I really gotta work on my glide tossing. I can only do the pathetic short one.

 

[Iota]

I second Tesh, I'm terribly inconsistent with the long GT. It's probably the only thing limiting my item game at this point too :/

 

[Labernash]

Push the control stick later.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I do want to work on my tire game. I am a little inconsistent with my glide tosses, and I need to remember that a tire in hand is never a bad thing for Wario, because you can Z-Drop -> immediately aerial, and nothing in Wario's ground game is super-important to have immediate access to. It can only help.

 

[Iota]

Push the control stick later.

I thought you had to push the c-stick and the analog stick at almost the same time. Is that not true?

 

[Labernash]

I thought you had to push the c-stick and the analog stick at almost the same time. Is that not true?

Yeap, that's true, but, almost is the key word here.

My bad, I meant the c-stick. Hit that later. You need to hit the control stick to input the roll, haha! Just separate the two inputs a smidge. That helped me.