KirbyandSonicrock14
Smash Ace
Thsi topic is hot on the boards, and I just wanted to know. If I have a say, then I will say a good high mid. Not a bad character, but i wish he wasn't so easy to grimp.
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Where would you put Lucario on the tiers list.
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Nodrak
Smash Ace
I guess a post like this had to come at some point. Honestly I'd rate him low-mid, high-mid at best. Lucario isn't as easy to pick up as a lot of other characters (pikachu, diddy ect) Although Lucario is strong, I wouldn't place him in top tier, but he isn't just a Mewtwo replacement, he's not a low tier. His recovery can be gimped sure, but he's also one of the best at jumping off the edge to gimp other recoveries.
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Tallen
Smash Journeyman
I won't comment at all in this thread, with one exception.
I gotta say, extremespeed is really one of the BEST anti-gimp and anti-edgeguard recovery moves around.
Browny
Smash Hater
i could have sworn a topic of the exact same name already exists on the lucario boards.
anyway id put him in high. the only characters i think are better than him are snake, mk, marth, rob, G&W, falco, wolf, pikachu, TL and Wario. so that puts him at #11, assuming 39 characters on the list (as in, PT counts as 3) im pretty sure that would end up in high.
anyway id put him in high. the only characters i think are better than him are snake, mk, marth, rob, G&W, falco, wolf, pikachu, TL and Wario. so that puts him at #11, assuming 39 characters on the list (as in, PT counts as 3) im pretty sure that would end up in high.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Amen, if only they knew (man, this is one good thing about picking a character that isn't the most popular). Oh yeah, and I would say mid-high, because he's balanced in many ways, but it takes practice to play as him.
Tallen
Smash Journeyman
I don't know if I'm happy about this or if I'm sad. Lucario is just so misunderstood...
oh and one thing
IT'S TOO FREAKING EARLY FOR A TIER LIST
Nodrak
Smash Ace
Just think of it as the Brawl-release tier list. There's been a few tournies, people have a general feel for most of the characters. I'm sure there's still some game-breaking AT's to be discovered (Wavedashing was found 2 years after Melee was released or something wasn't it?) but there's still a few characters even now who seem to win most often. Think of it like a pre-tier list, subject to extreme change.
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phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Yeah, and besides, the lower tier as a character, the more I usually play/main them, as it provides a good challenge. But yes, too early for true tiers.
KirbyandSonicrock14
Smash Ace
I don't liek tiers also, but wha tcan we do about it. We will still have @sses that think tiers have a meaning.
SpazzerEXE
Smash Apprentice
Lucario is obviously god tier, so for all of you Toon Links and G&W's out there who are reading this thread please, disregard the above posts and when faced against a Lucario just put the controller down. It's pretty much the only option you have, srsly. :/
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
What wrong with u? U not hungry for cheese sandwich, u hungry for HOT POCKETS!!!
Kasai
Smash Journeyman
I would say that Lucario probably deserves a spot on either high of mid or low of high. He has good matchups generally but he is also gimpable due to the long startup of extreme speed. I think that he should have a spot in high because he is a good character. Top is more or less restricted for characters that are broken in some sort.
manhunter098
Smash Lord
It was found like two days or maybe it was two weeks after Melee was released, nobody thought it was useful though so nobody bothered to develop it until about two years afterwards. Now we have a HUGE community as well and tons of people looking for AT's, Melee didnt have that on release like Brawl does. We should be able to know if an AT is useful or not only a couple weeks after its discovered, and it should only take us about a year at most to discover all of the ones that will be viable for use.
Either way when the their list comes out, I predict Lucario to be high-mid to low-high. All those disjointed hitboxes are just awesome.
Tiers in general are just a way of saying learning curve IMO. There are always new and innovative ways to use every characters being discovered and theres really no character better than another... just harder to master and fit for different people playstyle. Thats my two cents. But as far as learning curve for lucario id say hes a decent challenge to play WELL. The fact he shines in outer-level combat makes him a very advanced and dangerous character to use.
Selscol
Smash Rookie
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Lol. My hero.
Rebonack
Smash Apprentice
Between how tourney data seems to be turning up and the general impressions of everyone it seems as though Lucario is on the higher end of middle. Though I'm not sure if I would go as far as to say that he's in high.
It doesn't matter too much in the end. Using him is fun and that's what most of us shoot for.
It doesn't matter too much in the end. Using him is fun and that's what most of us shoot for.
Tiers give a single view of what someone thinks of characters. This I think is just thinking inside the box. If you practice enough, tiers can become improbable displays of info. I say we shoot for the stars and go past tiers to acheive truly god status. An old saying is there is always someone better then you out there, this rule applies to all people, even pros. Try to be the best, and maybe you will.
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Seriously, though, I'd say lucario's near the top of middle tier. I think he'd be higher if he were A) more popular(haven't really seen anyone good championing him at serious tournies, and you need that in order to be high tier) and B) had retardedly easy to land KO moves like all the other top tier characters.
Seriously, though, I'd say lucario's near the top of middle tier. I think he'd be higher if he were A) more popular(haven't really seen anyone good championing him at serious tournies, and you need that in order to be high tier) and B) had retardedly easy to land KO moves like all the other top tier characters.
Hold on man, I know ES is extremely fast, but it not being an attack at all and having start-up lag does make it a pretty gimp-able move.
Agreed. Just one thing though.
Now, before, and when it is released...
I will pay zero attention to the tier lists.
This guy has christmas colors for his text.
Nodrak
Smash Ace
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I have to admit, one thing that makes Lucario players t3h l337 is because they have a "sense" of the flow of the battle. I'm not exaggerating, good Lucario's need to know this, as strategy shifts depending on battle favor and tactical ground. Hence why Lucario is really more than just the awesome entity he is. Oh, and who cares about friggin' tier lists? The more they shout, the more it makes me want to beat down on "tier suckups", because after winning with a low tier char, u can say "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought the tier list would save u, sorry for trashing u". If ur a fellow pro who just likes playing with a high tier, then by all means, play as them. But skill can only be brandished by adversity and challenge. That, my friends, is what Lucario is all about.
*looks at Gymn's post*
"Jingle Bells, jingle bells..."
*looks at Gymn's post*
"Jingle Bells, jingle bells..."
...And Fox players don't? I'm confused. Did you just say that you hate tiers because you can john about using a low-tiered character and that low-tiered characters can be all gloaty about beating the high tiers, stating that it takes skill to win with any character regardless of tier position, while at the same time maining a character with a huge potential for reaching high-high or low-top tier in Brawl?
Although I will say that often using low tier characters are a great way to test your skill at the game itself rather than with a single high tier one, forcing you to rely on pure skill rather than on a single character's special attributes.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I suppose I'm more angry about ppl who only choose chars based on tier, rather than taste. This game was meant for taking any character, throwing him/her/it into the fray, and laughing ur head off at the results. I was mainly mad at the Melee tier ppl, and at the same time, happy, because I thought "well, Mewtwo is one of my mains, let's see who I can really own." Yes, me sound very waffly, and I blame that on term papers, finals, and all the inconveniences of doing college level work while in the 11th grade
. So I guess the conclusion is, I'm happy for tiers, so that I can look for chars to "resurrect", and I'm mad at "tier suck-ups".Oh, and me like john's.
Delta Z
Smash Journeyman
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It is true that's it's too early for a tier list, but we can speculate. The good news is Brawl's Top and High tiers won't have an unfair advantage against everyone else like in Melee. More balanced, overall.
But if I would guess, Lucario would be High Tier. He's a freakin' combo machine in the air, has incredible range on the ground, and his Aura makes him the best comeback character there is. And he can kill with DT and his grabs at decently low percents.
But if he ends up low I'm not gonna ditch him for a higher tier character. Screw elitists.
But if I would guess, Lucario would be High Tier. He's a freakin' combo machine in the air, has incredible range on the ground, and his Aura makes him the best comeback character there is. And he can kill with DT and his grabs at decently low percents.
But if he ends up low I'm not gonna ditch him for a higher tier character. Screw elitists.
Steamroll3929
Smash Cadet
This would all be well and good but......
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Da N
Smash Journeyman
high-mid but its too early to make a good guess becuase of where other characters will be placed on the list
Relevant post: I'd say high mid or low high... sadly, with the likes of the spacies in high, he might have some problems getting in.
Not quite relevant: I don't care where he is. After hearing people complain when I'd use Marth in melee, even though they knew I liked the Fire Emblem and I'd been playing him before the official tier list was out, I wish they weren't taken to be absolute truths. That said, I'm going to look at the tier list, disagree with it in numerous places, then go play brawl with my friends and have fun.
Not quite relevant: I don't care where he is. After hearing people complain when I'd use Marth in melee, even though they knew I liked the Fire Emblem and I'd been playing him before the official tier list was out, I wish they weren't taken to be absolute truths. That said, I'm going to look at the tier list, disagree with it in numerous places, then go play brawl with my friends and have fun.
Da N
Smash Journeyman
I wouldnt say that. Fox has moved down the tier list a bunch. Hes slower, not as powerful, can't shine spike, wavedash was a big part of his game. With all these things itd be surprising to see him in high tier. As for Falco, well hes just gotten better, being a falco main myself.
Browny
Smash Hater
lucarios up taunt however will remain top tier, no matter where he ends up
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Edds
Smash Ace
around middle of the tier list. i dont think hes the best char or the worst. but i main him for the challenege. but god**** hes deadly at high %
I'd put Lucario in the top of mid-tier, because he has favorable matchups against several characters. He has maybe 5 or 6 characters that can really punish him just for being Lucario, but matchups aren't a reason to put a character in a certain place of a tier list.
As I said, top of mid-tier, about where Captain Falcon was in Melee.
As I said, top of mid-tier, about where Captain Falcon was in Melee.
SpazzerEXE
Smash Apprentice
Does that mean Good Year is a pyramid scheme?This would all be well and good but......
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DarkDragoon
Smash Champion
I'd think him to be in the Low High, or High Mid.
>_> People who pick characters based on tiers are the ones who want to win. Tiers are the best a character can be nearly separate from an individuals skill level. Is it coincidence that MK/Snakes/DDDs win lots of tournaments? Not at all, they're just great characters. The more they win in tournaments, the more they will be considered for higher tier spots.
Tiers don't replace skill, and skill isn't determined by tiers. It does not take anywhere near as much skill to play like a pro Pichu in melee than it did to play like a professional fox/falco/marth/Sheik/C.Falcon.
Heck, if you have no idea what you're doing in Melee and you choose Fox against a Mewtwo that knows whats on the up and up, you're just dead. I know, I've been that Mewtwo.
Granted the amount of skill used in Brawl is much lower, so the most pressing factor is being good at Brawl is knowledge of the basics.
Anyhow;
Lets understand what tiers are before we bash them with all different colors of text, hmmkayy?
-DD
>_> People who pick characters based on tiers are the ones who want to win. Tiers are the best a character can be nearly separate from an individuals skill level. Is it coincidence that MK/Snakes/DDDs win lots of tournaments? Not at all, they're just great characters. The more they win in tournaments, the more they will be considered for higher tier spots.
Tiers don't replace skill, and skill isn't determined by tiers. It does not take anywhere near as much skill to play like a pro Pichu in melee than it did to play like a professional fox/falco/marth/Sheik/C.Falcon.
Heck, if you have no idea what you're doing in Melee and you choose Fox against a Mewtwo that knows whats on the up and up, you're just dead. I know, I've been that Mewtwo.
Granted the amount of skill used in Brawl is much lower, so the most pressing factor is being good at Brawl is knowledge of the basics.
Anyhow;
Lets understand what tiers are before we bash them with all different colors of text, hmmkayy?
-DD
Tallen
Smash Journeyman
*sigh* I was hoping against hope that this thread would have just dropped already... who used the Phoenix Down?
really, it wouldn't really care to me wherever he is placed. he still plays exactly the way I wanted, and I am finally kicking my friend's ***** when in melee I was the one who got whupped every time.
really, it wouldn't really care to me wherever he is placed. he still plays exactly the way I wanted, and I am finally kicking my friend's ***** when in melee I was the one who got whupped every time.
Nodrak
Smash Ace
I like how people are basing the tier list off of characters that win a tournament. A lot of people just look at the final video of a batch of tournies, not taking into account that the winner may have counter-picked his opponent (not just for the last match but all the matches in the finals by watching him play beforehand). So far, it seems that the majority of nonscrubcharacterbanningsmalllocal tournaments were won by people who don't truly main a character, they play 5 or 6 evenly to have as many counter-picking options as possible.
DarkDragoon
Smash Champion
Cort has won every single tournament he has entered so far.
>_> He ONLY uses Snake.
Only.
-DD