CHAOSDRAGON88
Smash Ace
Yo
u live in texas, I live in newyork. If we ever played I'd win. I have played many smashers that use advance techs and won.
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Why isnt Lightning Melee so popular?
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u live in texas, I live in newyork. If we ever played I'd win. I have played many smashers that use advance techs and won.
I've seen this argument used quite a bit, but really, it doesn't mean anything. Lots of people who use advanced techs still suck. Using advanced techs doesn't mean you're good. Experience > advanced techs.
If you've beaten any well-known smashers, then that's something to be proud of =D
Best101
Smash Ace
Go to the Tournament Discussion forums and arrange a tournament in your area. Make sure you have someone record your match and put it on Youtube =p
CHAOSDRAGON88
Smash Ace
I have never said anyo
ne that uses advance techs are good, Although i have defeated many good players. Just because your famous doesn't mean your good. Most of you idolize well known players, giving them god like attributes as if they cant be beat. Just because your strong doesn't mean your OPPONENT IS weak. If i beat(four stocked him) ken is he weak? I just said i play a certain way and you attack me and for what? What gives your comments superiority over mines? Is it a lame *** post count that means nothing in accordance to your skill? This thread has lost all its initial meaning why isnt it shut down?
NES n00b
Smash Master
. . . . . . . .doesn't sound like you know what you are talking about.
Just name someone that is the powerrankings of New York you have beaten and maybe you would be more credible. No one does the post count nonsense for how good you are, just what you say in your posts.
Just name someone that is the powerrankings of New York you have beaten and maybe you would be more credible. No one does the post count nonsense for how good you are, just what you say in your posts.
Hey man, calm down. I wasn't flaming you, or doubting your skills. I was just merely stating the fact that lots of people give a similar reasoning, thinking that they're amazing because they can beat someone who uses advanced techs.
How was I attacking you? Gosh. And I also never claimed that I was better than you anyway.
And I'm not exactly sure of what you mean by "Just because your strong doesn't mean your weak" =\
Best101
Smash Ace
You sound like me(without the cursing) a long time ago. Trust me you have to prove yourself in a tournament before anyone even believes your skills at all
CHAOSDRAGON88
Smash Ace
Point out what doesnt make sense, i made a good point.
CHAOSDRAGON88
Smash Ace
Point out what doesnt make sense, i made a good point. Let's Discuss this like normal people.
CHAOSDRAGON88
Smash Ace
Does anyone know how to delete a post? There was a glitch in the submission of a post. @ SNOBLO that was not entirely directed at you this type of argument has been going on since the begining of the thread.
NES n00b
Smash Master
You say lightning mode will make you have quicker reflexs. The truth is you won't. Even though there is a logic of if you are moving faster you have to react faster, it really does not work like that. Your mind has a certain reaction time at first and then gets faster (less reaction time) due to certain stimuli that you are used for looking out for. In other words, the more you do the same things over and over (like playing SSBM or playing Egyptian Rat Screw) the faster you react to what you are practicing. Playing Lightning Melee will only make you good at playing lightning melee really. Tech skill and combos depend on timing which lightning melee's is different than regular's so you would have to practice both to be good at both. Why not just play regular Melee to learn all this?
Also, it doesn't seem like you have been to any tournies with power ranked players.
As I have said before, Lightning Mode can be beneficial for practicing short hopping and some techs that require precise timing, but I find it difficult to believe how it would be beneficial for overall playing (comboing, prediction, etc). Also, it's important to note that people tend to play very differently in lighting mode than normal, so in that aspect, it may even hurt your normal-speed playing, (like how playing lv 9 CPUs screw you up also).
Any time I've played someone in normal Melee who mainly plays in lightning, I beat them. Mainly playing in lightning throws your timing off. That's why it's difficult to WD, etc with multiple characters; their timing is all different.
I can understand using slo-mo to learn L-Cancelling(so you know what a successful one looks like and where your character is), and also lightning for the reasons snoblo said, but once you learn, lightning will just mess your timing up.
I can understand using slo-mo to learn L-Cancelling(so you know what a successful one looks like and where your character is), and also lightning for the reasons snoblo said, but once you learn, lightning will just mess your timing up.
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
I just read this thread and started to cry.
Original poster - It's kind of hard to understand at first, but just learn some advanced techs in normal Melee. If you learn things like SHFFLing and Wavedashing your game becomes nearly twice as fast and you don't need Lightning mode anyways. By playing Lightning Mode you're actually slowing down your ability to learn and practice for tournaments. If you never plan to go to a tournament, go ahead and play in Lightning because it won't really matter, but most of this community do play smash competitively, which is why none of us play Lightning Mode.
I used to play on Lightning before I joined because it looked like that's how the pros were playing. It's hard to make the transition at first, but after a while you won't even remember how it felt.
Paingel - Lol, do you really think it took us 100 hours to learn advanced techniques? To learn any one think I sat down for 30 minutes to an hour and kept doing it in training mode until it was consistent. That was only for the hardest ones. For character specific techniques it usually doesn't even take 30 minutes. Also, I doubt you've "mastered" them as you seem to think; part of mastering a technique is understanding when to use it, and you can't understand when to use it unless you play against good people (and don't argue that your friends are all good).
CHAOSDRAGON - You need to step down for a second, buddy. You realize that you haven't been playing "advanced" smash for as long as anyone here, right? You haven't played anyone good, it's that simple. Go to a tournament, and don't be discouraged when you get 4-stocked every game. Trying to convince people that you are better than them isn't going to get your non-existant point across.
I don't understand how people can argue that practicing on different speeds help. When you want to learn a technique, you are trying to teach your muscles the timing. Practicing in other modes teaches you the wrong timing. If you are going to be playing Melee, you practice on Melee! It's that simple.
Original poster - It's kind of hard to understand at first, but just learn some advanced techs in normal Melee. If you learn things like SHFFLing and Wavedashing your game becomes nearly twice as fast and you don't need Lightning mode anyways. By playing Lightning Mode you're actually slowing down your ability to learn and practice for tournaments. If you never plan to go to a tournament, go ahead and play in Lightning because it won't really matter, but most of this community do play smash competitively, which is why none of us play Lightning Mode.
I used to play on Lightning before I joined because it looked like that's how the pros were playing. It's hard to make the transition at first, but after a while you won't even remember how it felt.
Paingel - Lol, do you really think it took us 100 hours to learn advanced techniques? To learn any one think I sat down for 30 minutes to an hour and kept doing it in training mode until it was consistent. That was only for the hardest ones. For character specific techniques it usually doesn't even take 30 minutes. Also, I doubt you've "mastered" them as you seem to think; part of mastering a technique is understanding when to use it, and you can't understand when to use it unless you play against good people (and don't argue that your friends are all good).
CHAOSDRAGON - You need to step down for a second, buddy. You realize that you haven't been playing "advanced" smash for as long as anyone here, right? You haven't played anyone good, it's that simple. Go to a tournament, and don't be discouraged when you get 4-stocked every game. Trying to convince people that you are better than them isn't going to get your non-existant point across.
I don't understand how people can argue that practicing on different speeds help. When you want to learn a technique, you are trying to teach your muscles the timing. Practicing in other modes teaches you the wrong timing. If you are going to be playing Melee, you practice on Melee! It's that simple.
ꓰspeon
Sun Pokemon
Guys i'm back to report my experience on trying the Paingel technique. And the result is positive.
I've tried, like he said, to continously switch among slo-mo - normal - lightining - normal - slo-mo etc.: while 1 match at a time is not enough at all to screw your timing, it still forces you to get into the given speed and practice into that. While continously alternating speeds, your mind needs to work the moves out a whole lot, thus making it much more plastic and giving you the concrete possibility to practice and learn stuff in a much shorter time.
Many talked about the benefits of these two special modes, like improving your reflexes and giving you much more time to think about your moves, or practicing difficult techniques like waveshining, but just everyone else brought into the discussion the simple fact that continously playing with a different speed would just screw your whole timing; this is indeed true, BUT this method doesn't revolve around using one special melee at his fullest and trying to get the max out of it, while insteafd it focuses on accostuming your mind to repentine and radical changes.
If you never play two matches in a row at the same speed, this greatly increases your attention and, having constantly to switch timings, you just change the way you see timings, like Paingel, and base them not anymore on time, but on frames. This makes your skill much less influenced by mood (that, trust me, really alters your vision of time) and makes every move of yours a lot more precise. Once everything of this becomes natural, this also leaves you the possibility to focus on the next level of gaming, like mindgames are for most, thus greatly enhancing your general skill.
Also, since your mind becomes so plastic during this intense training section (it does, really) you can really start doing things like bulilding up your reflexes and anticipate enemy moves in lightning or practicing mindgames and timings (yes, it sounds just that unreal, but it works) in slo-mo.
I've been training this way for a day and i haven't got anywhere near a smash monster or a skill machine, but hell, i can already feel the improvement. I usually play with Aldwyn McCloud, aka the 2° best smasher in Europe, and we both agree that there was an improvement i could never have reached in a one-day session (aside, i trained before playing with him, we only played normal matches).
Guys, this is some wonderful training session i reccoment to everyone has the will to improve greatly in a really short amount of time. Continue training like you always did, the stages you like, the cp level you always trained with, only this time do it switching speeds. Just try it for a day or two, you'll see the rsults for yourself.
Also, i'm not saying anything like this training can replace that with human opponents, no solitary session will ever be able to supply the lack of good and disposable players around: just practice this way with your friends.
I've tried, like he said, to continously switch among slo-mo - normal - lightining - normal - slo-mo etc.: while 1 match at a time is not enough at all to screw your timing, it still forces you to get into the given speed and practice into that. While continously alternating speeds, your mind needs to work the moves out a whole lot, thus making it much more plastic and giving you the concrete possibility to practice and learn stuff in a much shorter time.
Many talked about the benefits of these two special modes, like improving your reflexes and giving you much more time to think about your moves, or practicing difficult techniques like waveshining, but just everyone else brought into the discussion the simple fact that continously playing with a different speed would just screw your whole timing; this is indeed true, BUT this method doesn't revolve around using one special melee at his fullest and trying to get the max out of it, while insteafd it focuses on accostuming your mind to repentine and radical changes.
If you never play two matches in a row at the same speed, this greatly increases your attention and, having constantly to switch timings, you just change the way you see timings, like Paingel, and base them not anymore on time, but on frames. This makes your skill much less influenced by mood (that, trust me, really alters your vision of time) and makes every move of yours a lot more precise. Once everything of this becomes natural, this also leaves you the possibility to focus on the next level of gaming, like mindgames are for most, thus greatly enhancing your general skill.
Also, since your mind becomes so plastic during this intense training section (it does, really) you can really start doing things like bulilding up your reflexes and anticipate enemy moves in lightning or practicing mindgames and timings (yes, it sounds just that unreal, but it works) in slo-mo.
I've been training this way for a day and i haven't got anywhere near a smash monster or a skill machine, but hell, i can already feel the improvement. I usually play with Aldwyn McCloud, aka the 2° best smasher in Europe, and we both agree that there was an improvement i could never have reached in a one-day session (aside, i trained before playing with him, we only played normal matches).
Guys, this is some wonderful training session i reccoment to everyone has the will to improve greatly in a really short amount of time. Continue training like you always did, the stages you like, the cp level you always trained with, only this time do it switching speeds. Just try it for a day or two, you'll see the rsults for yourself.
Also, i'm not saying anything like this training can replace that with human opponents, no solitary session will ever be able to supply the lack of good and disposable players around: just practice this way with your friends.
MVPaintballer
the lil d that could
NES n00b
Smash Master
I can hold my own against the midsouth PR. <_<
Binx
Smash Master
Ok, so I am going to share a positive learning experience I had with lightning mode and I am going to do it all in bold because I think it was awesome.
I played lightning mode for something like 5 matches in a row all with fox, against 2 noobs on a team against me, I did this because they were getting bored of losing and felt like playing lightning mode disclaimer: I was not that great but I was shffling very very consistently at this point..
However predicting two opponents at the same time on lightning mode no less made me a much quicker thinker when I went back to normal mode, also I noticed I was reading their moves much faster because I was used to having to decide twice as fast already, also my accuracy improved, I was doing some really rediculous shine spikes that I normally would not have hit.
Being able to accurately predict people is very important and I believe lightning mode forced me to learn to do it faster, also having 2 people to predict at the same time made me better at it as well, you would be suprised at the kinds of things the brain can learn if it is forced to.
I played lightning mode for something like 5 matches in a row all with fox, against 2 noobs on a team against me, I did this because they were getting bored of losing and felt like playing lightning mode disclaimer: I was not that great but I was shffling very very consistently at this point..
However predicting two opponents at the same time on lightning mode no less made me a much quicker thinker when I went back to normal mode, also I noticed I was reading their moves much faster because I was used to having to decide twice as fast already, also my accuracy improved, I was doing some really rediculous shine spikes that I normally would not have hit.
Being able to accurately predict people is very important and I believe lightning mode forced me to learn to do it faster, also having 2 people to predict at the same time made me better at it as well, you would be suprised at the kinds of things the brain can learn if it is forced to.
man...but he is saying why we dont use it for training and we are giving the answer got it??
P.D: u dont know what is fun until u get ur butt to a real tournament
I guess its been a long time since I've played in lightening then. But anyway, thats definitely not the absolute reason among many to not play it. Majority of the people could not get comfortable with it. The first time I saw a pro melee match on youtube, I was dumbfounded as of the speed at which the characters were moving. Imagine that twice as fast. Or possibly more.
CHAOSDRAGON88
Smash Ace
@KYU PUFF Who in the hell said i was a god in smashbros, i know i did not, so before you start going on an idiotic rant bring proof. You can face someone in smash and not know what ranking they hold so how can you say that i have never faced anyone good . Another thing is that you dont know me so you dont know what i've done. I have never been four stocked nor does that mean that i cant. Going to tournaments does not mean your good, thats like saying everyone that wavedashes is good.
NG7
Smash Lord
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I've used slo-mo to learn techs.
Also guys, CHAOSDRAGON88 didn't say playing the two modes would make you a world-class player, just that it would improve some aspects of your playing...... I don't know why you're telling him to beat ranked players.
Also guys, CHAOSDRAGON88 didn't say playing the two modes would make you a world-class player, just that it would improve some aspects of your playing...... I don't know why you're telling him to beat ranked players.
CHAOSDRAGON88
Smash Ace
THANK YOU NG7. I really appreciate that. I hope something real good happens to you in life! I mean something miraculous.
Can we just close the thread its turning into a pointless flamefest
Lightning Melee isn't as popular in tournaments because not all the people agree that it is their desired balanced way to play competitively.
When its not competitive i see nothing wrong with screwing around in any mode you want, a games a game you don't need people's approval to play a certain mode. Tournaments are just different because to please people they need a set of agreed upon rules to keep a sense of balance.
No need to flame Chaos for thinking that he improves in melee, or for someone saying that they think they don't benefit from switching, its all opinion and not worth getting upset over. So i say again like i did on page 1
"How do i locked thread?"
Lightning Melee isn't as popular in tournaments because not all the people agree that it is their desired balanced way to play competitively.
When its not competitive i see nothing wrong with screwing around in any mode you want, a games a game you don't need people's approval to play a certain mode. Tournaments are just different because to please people they need a set of agreed upon rules to keep a sense of balance.
No need to flame Chaos for thinking that he improves in melee, or for someone saying that they think they don't benefit from switching, its all opinion and not worth getting upset over. So i say again like i did on page 1
"How do i locked thread?"
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Yea this thread shouldnt be about whos better at smash. IMO lightning melee doesnt really help. Thats my opinion and u can have your own.
CHAOSDRAGON88
Smash Ace
Thanks also kevin m, I appreciate what you said. And this thread needs to be locked.
Overswarm
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Good reasons to start....
Playing in slo-mo:
-you can lol with your friends
-you can turn on metal blocks and lol with your friends
Playing in lightning-melee:
-you can lol with your friends
-you can turn on bunny hoods and lol with your friends
-You can fool yourself into thinking you are improving reaction time by practicing tech chasing, when in reality you are just messing up your timing for tech chasing.
Playing in normal melee:
-you can lol with your friends
-you can improve
Playing in slo-mo:
-you can lol with your friends
-you can turn on metal blocks and lol with your friends
Playing in lightning-melee:
-you can lol with your friends
-you can turn on bunny hoods and lol with your friends
-You can fool yourself into thinking you are improving reaction time by practicing tech chasing, when in reality you are just messing up your timing for tech chasing.
Playing in normal melee:
-you can lol with your friends
-you can improve
Overswarm
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I dunno, one guy said it would be like the hyperbolic time chamber. That seemed pretty deep, I mean really, he used DBZ as a reference for physical and/or mental training. PhD material.
Sliq
Smash Master
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I guess I revoke my initial statement then. If someone references something as scientifically relevant as DBZ (what with machines being able to simulate 300 times earth's gravity, not to mention time travel), what choice do I ave but to accept it as fact.
What a fool I was!
Kel
Smash Master
Dudes, Giant melee reinvents the game. Try it some time.
Considering the amount of Naruto analogies that flood these boards daily I actually thought DBZ was a good change of pace. But no... playing in lightning mode.. Srsly guyz I became like super saiyan level 5 billion from it... but then my controller caught on fire
MVPaintballer
the lil d that could
DippnDots
Feral Youth
You mean besides the fact that it's ********?
omg! do you post on PBN? Your name looks insanely familiar.
P.S. Lightning still owns. It's not for all you want to be pros but for the general public that doesn't spend hours a day practicing it speeds up the game and makes it much more intense. I agree that it would be horrible to 'train' in lightning. My friends and I play lightning exclusively and when we try to play normal (we do try) it's just too slow and we can't get anything right, even simple things. I feel semi ******** going from lightning to normal.
Someone had a post that said "Lightning is good for getting better at lightning" they are exactly right.
Personaly though, I think if smash was normally on the speed of lightning it would make the game much harder to master. And could you imagine how fast people would be moving once they mastered some of that stuff? I mean hardcore players already move just as fast as normal players on lightning. So the hardcore players on lightning after some practice would be insanely fast.
Either way we can all agree that Smash Bros Melee is the best game in existance. Until brawl is released
. Oh and DippnDots go stick a **** in your mouth
.xRisingForce
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DippnDots
Feral Youth
Vegetarian.Oh and DippnDots go stick a **** in your mouth
BAMN
Smash Journeyman
If I play lightning, then go back to normal Melee, I seem to feel like I haven't warmed up yet.
Lightning = antigood.
Lightning = antigood.