Why isnt Lightning Melee so popular?

[SaiXander]

Maybe we should just consider that most smashboards users probably try to play at the competitive level, most of the time.

Lightning melee would simply forever be disagreed upon.

That's probably why it isn't so popular.

 

[Digits]

Vegetarian.

Then use a carrot... or a cucumber depending on your pain threshold

 

[widowmaker300]

i used to think that lightning melee was like ultimate training, but that was a long time ago haha. if you get too used to playing in lightning then ur speed will be off in tournament play, as im sure many others have stated already.

 

[Micheloxx]

hate light mode XD

 

[MVPaintballer]

uhh yea i did @ one point till i got banzors

 

[TheManaLord]

Lightning mode is just plain old stupid, there's no point to play it in if nobody else is going to. If it's the norm, then why not? But it's not, at all. It's stupid and nobody should do it unless they're just doing it for fun.

 

[Deleted member]

i played it for training....5 years ago
though it does improve your actula reflexes, it throws them off at normal melee, which is a bad thing. thats what everybody is trying to say

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

@SLIQ I know exactly what i am talking about and rapid_assassin said that he knows someone that does not lose their skill during the transition. You have never played me therefore dont doubt my abilities, just because you can't do it doesn't mean I can't.

Uhh, I bet you anything that he can move faster than you in normal melee too...

 

[[Deuce]]

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okay after reading most of this thread, I'll just say.. well here's my story


I played lightning forever (from 2002 to early 2006). Came to smashboards 06, learned the simple advanced stuff (wavedash sffl etc) on lightning (FOX TOO, for all those mentioning fox)


The day of my first tourney, my friend who was goin too told me that it wasnt on lightning, and I was like.. wtf?? those videos look like theyre on lightning though.. and he said something about the framerate on youtube combined with megapro speed (come on now, most popular smash vids are of top pros)

so I frantically practiced on normal mode to get used to it, and after 4 or so years of lightning its a liiiiitle hard to adjust to.. went to the tourney, I was able to wavedash easily however, but not multiple times in a row (ie after 3 consecutive wavedashes, i'd mess up and jump and be forced to attack, but can still wavedash when i got back down) OH YEAH and NO JOKE i was soooo annoyed as to why my character took so long to attack after landing (lag feels amplified a billion times more in normal), i'd have to tap the c stick like 3 times to get the smash out

after playing for a long time and im pretty good now too, I can say that lightning will not really help you. By focusing on normal melee, you strictly focus your development on perfecting the timing of your attacks. think of real fighting. by practicing 1000 variations of the same kick, you'll be able to analyze a kick well/ know which is good, etc.. whereas if you are already told which is best, and you practice that same kick 1000 times youll learn to master the perfect force to do the most damage.. and thats a concept from bruce lol

 

[xRisingForce]

I think that last paragraph sums it up perfectly my friend

 

[Corigames]

I think lightning is just to fast for you Dykes its a real man's game.

I might agree with you if I hadn't 4 stocked a group of people that thought the same way. In my experience, it doesn't help one bit.

 

[jwkirby64]

Didn't Alpha Zealot make a thread saying that if you don go tourney, you dont go pro?

 

[RoyalRook]

Dude, try play 4 FFA in LM at Flat Zone. It's freaking sweet.

 

[DGMavn]

The only use for lightning/slowmo I can see is Training mode speed adjustments with C-stick usage.

 

[TheManaLord]

Dude, try play 4 FFA in LM at Flat Zone. It's freaking sweet.

Nope, that's ********.

 

[Twillight]

Dude, try play 4 FFA in LM at Flat Zone. It's freaking sweet.

that sounds so fun, that its pointless, LOL.

 

[Imperial Wraith]

I just read this thread and started to cry.

Original poster - It's kind of hard to understand at first, but just learn some advanced techs in normal Melee. If you learn things like SHFFLing and Wavedashing your game becomes nearly twice as fast and you don't need Lightning mode anyways. By playing Lightning Mode you're actually slowing down your ability to learn and practice for tournaments. If you never plan to go to a tournament, go ahead and play in Lightning because it won't really matter, but most of this community do play smash competitively, which is why none of us play Lightning Mode.

I used to play on Lightning before I joined because it looked like that's how the pros were playing. It's hard to make the transition at first, but after a while you won't even remember how it felt.


Paingel - Lol, do you really think it took us 100 hours to learn advanced techniques? To learn any one think I sat down for 30 minutes to an hour and kept doing it in training mode until it was consistent. That was only for the hardest ones. For character specific techniques it usually doesn't even take 30 minutes. Also, I doubt you've "mastered" them as you seem to think; part of mastering a technique is understanding when to use it, and you can't understand when to use it unless you play against good people (and don't argue that your friends are all good).


CHAOSDRAGON - You need to step down for a second, buddy. You realize that you haven't been playing "advanced" smash for as long as anyone here, right? You haven't played anyone good, it's that simple. Go to a tournament, and don't be discouraged when you get 4-stocked every game. Trying to convince people that you are better than them isn't going to get your non-existant point across.


I don't understand how people can argue that practicing on different speeds help. When you want to learn a technique, you are trying to teach your muscles the timing. Practicing in other modes teaches you the wrong timing. If you are going to be playing Melee, you practice on Melee! It's that simple.

Lol i had to quote this again, cos its so frikking true.

 

[Shai Hulud]

I've been messing around with lightning mode against CPUs, out of boredom. With a little practice I can still do everything with Fox that I normally can, including retreating frame perfect SHDL, waveshines, etc. The game seems a lot more interesting at this speed.

I haven't played against any humans yet but I would wager Falco is absolutely unbeatable in lightning mode. He can do SHL quite a bit faster, and the lasers themselves travel faster, meaning almost nobody would be able to powershield enough of them to make a difference.There's barely enough time between lasers to even put a shield up, roll, etc., and you can literally tech chase a roll or spot dodge with more lasers, and if you shield the lasers it's easy go get trapped in your shield. So I'm fairly certain that Falco would destroy the game if anyone did try to do lightning mode tournaments.

Still very interesting and fun. The game's emphasis is changed almost entirely to tech skill.

For the record, the game mechanics are not changed AT ALL in lightning melee. This seems to be a common misconception. 100% of the normal combos, techs, etc., are possible in lightning melee. The only difference is that lightning mode runs at a higher frame rate. I timed a 10-minute lightning melee match and it took 7:56.5 real time, so assuming a constant frame rate (which may not be a valid assumption) that's approximately 1.26x the 60 fps of normal mode. I'm going to assume lightning mode is meant to run at 1.25x normal mode and chalk up the 1% difference to measurement error or imperfection in the execution speed. So lightning melee runs at approximately 75 fps, just 25% faster than normal melee.

 

[N355]

Lies, i use it to train so that i can read my opponents attacks very well. the more you use it the more diligent you become. so please only use it until you have to go into tourneys. Think of the hyperbolic time chamber from dbz.

that is exactly what I did before my first tourney, and that is exactly what I thought of, the hyperbolic time chamber.

 

[N355]

You guys are dumb. The special modes are for having FUN. All video games are for having FUN. Lightning mode was not made for practice because the game was not made for anything but to have fun. You people are way too serious about a fricken video game, and don't call me a noob because you and everybody else in the world knows I'm right.

I hate when people say things like you are way to serious about a fricken video game. We enjoy the game, we enjoy it alot, and we sign up on the forum. Why are you here anyways?

 

[N355]

I don't see the point in playing lightning all the time. Once in a while is ok and stuff but I don't see the point really. If one wants to get better wouldn't it be easier to practice in normal mode? Lightning is definately not good for a competitive player either. It isn't like they hold lightning mode tourneys

 

[Shai Hulud]

Dude...seriously, a triple post?

Also, this thread is old as hell. I just didn't want to make a new one given that this thread has been made several times already. I just wanted to address a couple points, namely

1) that lightning melee is "too hard"
2) that it detracts from serious competition and is therefore useless.

1) is nonsense, as it took me about ten minutes before I could play in lightning mode just as well as normal mode. Other people may not be able to adjust as fast, but there are plenty of people who can master the technical requirements of lightning melee.

2) has some validity, but choosing a game to play really isn't an either/or proposition. Imagine if SSBM played at lightning melee speed and there was nothing else. Would it be a competitive, enjoyable game? That's the real question, to which I think the answer is no, not because people wouldn't be able to keep up with the increased tech requirements (they would), but because it's inherently broken. I strongly suspect Falco is completely unbeatable. I honestly think lightning melee would be more interesting and enjoyable because it holds my attention better, if not for this one serious flaw. I still think a lightning melee tourney would be legitimate and intriguing, if for no other reason than to prove/disprove my hypothesis about Falco.

 

[N355]

sorry about triple posting. I just was reading through the thread and replied to things. When I went back to this page I was like oh crap I have three posts in a row that doesn't look good. . .