X or Y? - PT Social

[Grizzlpaw]

I think someone discovered Ivy has a pseudo-wavedash using the first hit from bullet seed.

Okay, now I'm interested~ :3

 

[peeup]

It involves shy guy cancelling. If you can do that reliably then you can do the wavedash.

 

[Karnu]

Think you could film this?

It sounds great~

 

[Rizen]

What is shy guy canceling?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I don't think it matters, as Bullet Seed takes 90 frames or something silly.

That said, I don't know what it is, either. Bullet Seed start-up hit is ground-only, so it wouldn't hit a Shy Guy.

 

[Rizen]

Oh only on YI, duh. I've never heard of a wave dash thing using them

 

[peeup]

No you have to cancel the shy guys.

 

[Grizzlpaw]

A bullet seed wavedash might be usefull for surprise approaches I suppose.

Does the pop up hit still launch the opponent into Ivysaur's seeds?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So...everyone. Play any good games lately?

 

[Rizen]

So...everyone. Play any good games lately?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcf5UnXOABA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DlV8xXU9ao

*shrug*

 

[Bomber7]

I got a $2 MM against Asa on Saturday, so that will be the most hype game I play with PT anytime soon.

 

[peeup]

A bullet seed wavedash might be usefull for surprise approaches I suppose.

Does the pop up hit still launch the opponent into Ivysaur's seeds?

Depends on the angle of the cancelled shy guy.

 

[Myollnir]

Can someone explain how to do the wavedash thing with the BS? I've never heard of it.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It's not a thing. He was clearly lying.

 

[Myollnir]

Lol ok sorry, I thought it was true because someone in this board talked about something similar a few months ago. Thanks anyway

 

[peeup]

No its pretty simple, you just have to cancel the shy guys.

 

[peeup]

Ok how about actual discussion topic. I like throwing in the occasional falling bullet seed. That initial hitbox that puffs them up into the seed stream is, like, huuuge when you're descending. Could throw people off.

 

[Rizen]

Ok how about actual discussion topic. I like throwing in the occasional falling bullet seed. That initial hitbox that puffs them up into the seed stream is, like, huuuge when you're descending. Could throw people off.

I don't think air bullet seed (bs) has the first hitbox.
Some times I'll SH bs over the stage to catch horizontal recoveries. It doesn't drag the opponent down as it falls so hitting from the ground where the opponent has to rise up and out gets better results.

 

[peeup]

It does have the first hitbox, but only when you're past the apex of your jump. So a SHBullet Seed doesn't really work, but when you're coming down after being juggled or something.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

That's not true. The hitbox is there in shorthop Neutral-B, but it only hits grounded opponents.

 

[peeup]

Ah okay yeah that's what I meant then. Is that ever useful?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Very useful; high-risk, high-reward. One of Ivysaur's most useful tools. Doing it out-of-shield is only a couple frames slower than Olimar U-Smash out-of-shield, and it has significantly more horizontal range. If people attack your shield with an aerial, the reasonable speed can help you catch people you wouldn't normally be able to shieldgrab. It can be DI'd, but doing a B-Reversed Bullet Seed turns what was good DI into bad DI, putting them in the center of the attack.

Ivysaur really struggles to deal damage at higher-level play, and this is one of her best tools to mitigate that.

 

[peeup]

What's a B-Reversed Bullet Seed?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

If you're holding a direction you're not facing and do a B move soon after, you'll face the direction you were holding before doing the B move.

The back hitbox of Bullet Seed sends people in a different direction than the front hitbox.

 

[peeup]

I thought they both sent em up and towards Ivy?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Yes, but one is at a sharper angle than the other, enough to make a significant difference.

 

[Grizzlpaw]

I wasn't aware that B-reverses worked on the ground.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

They work out of a dash, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about shielding an attack, then jumping out of your shield and B-Reversing aerial Bullet Seed that way.

 

[Rizen]

@Reflex good advice. I'll have to use that in my Ivy game.

 

[peeup]

I knew it all along. Ivy for top tier.

 

[Grizzlpaw]

Ivy has a top tier moveset. That's the sad thing.

If only she weren't so darn gimpable...

 

[peeup]

Is that a fanboy exaggeration or is she actually amazing barring her recovery?

 

[Rizen]

^The former :/ .

 

[peeup]

Booooo well at least her Down B is good

 

[Bomber7]

So guys. Summercon is officially under way. We have pretty much everything in place for the event. I want to see as many of you guys there as possible. If you aren't going to any major tournament that everyone else is going to, please come to Louisiana for ours. I'll be hosting the Brawl portion of the convention. It will be bigger and better than ever before! :D

Thread: http://smashboards.com/threads/summ...uses-online-june-29th-2013-slidell-la.335704/
Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/370559509729661/

 

[CoonTail]

Zzzz.......*wakes up* Whattup everybody

 

[peeup]

**** I looooooove your sig.

EDIT: why does it censor "****"

EDITEDIT: c00n is what i'm trying to say. as in your name.

 

[Bomber7]

Because c/oon refers to some dumb racial slur I believe.

I also agree; his sig is pretty amazing.

 

[peeup]

Alright well I'll just call ya tail from now on. #SlyCooperForDays

 

[CoonTail]

Lol Just call me CT for short or CoonTail to get around the censor.....and it always has censored my name. But yea of course Bomber loves my sig HE MADE IT LOLOLOLOLOLOL

**EDIT** I SUMMON YOU REFLEX WHERE ART THO!!!