I could say the same thing to you.
No you can't, im not doing what you are doing. You are doing the "if he does this, i predict this and do this". I am doing the "if you predict this you can punish", because you guys are saying phantasm is unpunishable and theres like 3 or 4 ways to punish it.
Notice how in all my 'theory crafts' as you called them, Falco is still safe, but in all yours we're still extremely open to his mix ups.
I was doing it to make a point, the game doesnt work like how you are describing, and you are wrong, by the way. Falco is not safe at the edge of the stage when yoshi is close but out of jab range. Maybe when you are playing them they are safe.
You mean unless the Falco has a less than 17 frame reaction time he cant do it? He can completely wall us with Lasers and Phantasm, and if we get caught in our shield, that's our fastest option. He doesnt ever need to approach, and if he forces us into our shield, he has a good amount of time to react.
17 frames if you are shielding right next to them. Which you are not, by the way. You just ran away and shieleded, predicting a phantasm, so you are pretty far away. I dont think falco can walk and follow our roll. If you are really so annoyed by lazers and really can't get past falco's camping, why not start the match in your shield, and just spotdodge every laser and time him out at 0% xD
K, now you're just being stupid. Falco's shield is fine. It's small, yes, but his shield options more than make up for that. Frame 2 jab OoS, dair OoS, grab OoS, BDacus OoS, bair OoS, you name it. Good luck crossing up his shield when his OoS options will destroy you pretty much mid cross up.
What, i said nothing about his shield, his OOS options arent that good. For a good character hes pretty easy to cross up on and pressure his sheild. BDacus OOS is irrelevant haha. I try not to be in shield grab range. When yoshi forces falco to shield, yoshi has nice pressure tools with bair->nair/egglay, just egg lay, run behind and pivot grab, etc. They are all quite effective against falco.
No, I dont. In fact, outside of the top 3-4 here, who are all better players than me, I ONLY lose to Falco. He is literally the only character in my experience that a skill advantage wont carry me. This MU pretty much shuts us down.
It shuts you down, yes.
Lucario doesnt kill Yoshi easily unless you're just running into him stupidly.
I havent played the matchup in a long time. I will say that yoshi is forced to approach and lucario does kill yoshi relatively easily (in comparison to other characters vs yoshi), his floatiness is very good against yoshi's brand of defense and recovery, and he kind of ***** our defensive options.
Taking chip damage is a terrible idea against Lucario.
True.
No Yoshi (outside of maybe Slush) ever plays a good Lucario, so obviously we dont have results against him.
I've played some good ones, pitbull, stauffy (when he played and was good), lee martin, never won xD Im pretty sure polt has lost to good lucarios at some point.
HUGE KEYWORD if. And lasers will **** both of those, and if he sees them coming or baits them, can get free dacus, grab, jab, you name it off that laser advantage. And dont you say 'lol he needs to predict it' cuz you just said WE needed to predict it to get that. It goes both ways.
Not exactly. Falco has few options when near the edge of the stage, we pressure him into phantasm. You can kind of do it on reaction without committing, idont know how to explain, but u can fox trot and if he goes for it you can press grab xD
and im not saying Lucario cant poop on us. just Falco is worse
