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[Rickster]

I thought Peach was pretty solid in this game. To me, it looks like she's been overall buffed from Brawl. But then again, I've never really touched Peach.

EDIT: Ok one nerf I can think of is Jab and maybe Ftilt.

 

[fatalfoxy]

This is my opinion

Very hard to learn:

Hard to learn:

Moderately hard to learn:

Easy to learn:

Very easy to learn:

ehhh, these kind of lists always rub me the wrong way. Everyone has preferences and things they are more inclined to be good at/do comfortably. I feel like these type of lists only reflect the individuals who make them and nothing more.

 

[Alacion]

I thought Peach was pretty solid in this game. To me, it looks like she's been overall buffed from Brawl. But then again, I've never really touched Peach.

EDIT: Ok one nerf I can think of is Jab and maybe Ftilt.

Peach is solid but not top tier. She's slow but strong. Think speed would be more valuable in general. Sheik shows that power isn't everything.

 

[UkeNicky]

Turnips were in Brawl too. They were great as a cover and a movement option by using glide tossing (available to many characters, but discovered by a Peach player). There was also free pulling and bonewalking which allowed for lagless turnip pulls and ledge cancel turnip pulls which was patched in Smash 4.


Nope. Don't even see notable Peach players in higher profile tournaments.



See, I swing that way but no. Until the rainbow does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF-pxIUO3gE, screw that.

That Uair string looks so cheap and easy, and if there's one thing I'm not it's definitely easy

You can fast fall her current Uair into the ground and it pops them up into this unique hitstun that opens up all kinds of delightful combos against normal size characters+
So, I actually like this Uair it's fashionable, functional and fabulous. I also like the fact that it combos off of down throw at higher percents and you can really harass players trying to come down from above

 

[r_greening1]

So a week or so ago someone (I think maybe Cenizas? I'm not positive. Whoever it was, let me know) talked about Zelda's dtilt to footstool and sourspot dair as a footstool combo. I just want to bring it up again because I've been messing around with it and it's awesome. The sourspot dair doesn't start causing a forced getup until about 70% (need to do some more testing on whether it's weight dependent), but still. That means a free elevator and that's amazing. What do you guys think? It actually seems fairly practical and isn't very hard to pull off

Isn't that a jab lock? If it is that's also a free lightning kick!! :D
Edit: ANOTHER PAGE STEAL? OH BOY A TRIPLE!!!

 

[Rizen]

I agree, learning characters is very subjective. I try to learn characters I'm bad at; that's how I picked up Zelda, G&W, PT and MK in Brawl. But imo G&W is the easiest character in Brawl to use.

Anyone want to wifi? C'mon!

 

[SBphiloz4]

I can't really agree here. For one Greninja is not very technical, he's just a character that you need to get adjusted to because he's fairly non-standard as far as this game goes, once you do get how his moves works he's very simple. Plus, Greninja has probably some of the best reward on hit in this game as well as probably the most kill setups and one of the best advantaged states in the game. I think he does give a lot of reward for those who master his playstyle.

Well, someone's putting in results with Greninja, and someone isn't, so it's very possible my opinion might not be accurate. When I think Greninja, I do think about dem Uair fastfall combo shenanigans, and other weird aerial stuff which requires some technical skill, but hey, what am I to say to a Greninja main who's Top 30 on Anther's Ladder? I might be missing things, but I still think Greninja is high-mid tier, hence my "not as rewarding as others" comment.

I shall also stand by my opinion that Peach is Top 10 in this game.

Not sure if I shared this before but this was me one year into playing Peach and MK was recently "unbanned." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUwOXuAjqaw Smh at Peach's poor airdodge frame data. 1:54 was pretty cool and you don't see that in Smash 4, lol. Also, I miss Peach's brawl fair sound effect.

Kevin, we should revive Brawl in our community. c:

 

[Antonykun]

just for the record nerfed from brawl doesn't mean the character sucks

 

[Alacion]

That Uair string looks so cheap and easy, and if there's one thing I'm not it's definitely easy
You can fast fall her current Uair into the ground and it pops them up into this unique hitstun that opens up all kinds of delightful combos against normal size characters+
So, I actually like this Uair it's fashionable, functional and fabulous. I also like the fact that it combos off of down throw at higher percents and you can really harass players trying to come down from above

It's hard to pull off both technically and in practise. It's Peach's most technical move in all the smash games unless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlBcmeQpjl0 counts. Rainbow is nice and has great attributes but Brawl's up air is my favourite.

 

[Trieste SP]

just for the record nerfed from brawl doesn't mean the character sucks

That's true. Olimar was nerfed severely from Brawl and he's still good.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

imo Peach is easily top 10. I like to think of her as Brawl Peach with no autocancel fair to jab, later bair autocancel, an arguably better uair, slightly better mobility, slightly slower Turnips with no more Turnip ATs, a better combo game, a new mid range punish, and most importantly, a TON of kill power

Isn't that a jab lock? If it is that's also a free lightning kick!! :D

Yeah but I've been finding some weird complications...I think you have to hit with the sourspot dair as fast as possible or with the center or the hitbox (not sure which yet) otherwise it doesn't cause a forced getup sooo...idk. I'm gonna try and figure out the answer tomorrow

 

[Ffamran]

just for the record nerfed from brawl doesn't mean the character sucks

Technically, Kirby and Triple D suck, but officially, they Inhale.

 

[Antonykun]

A friend of mine said he'd be playing more of Zelda, I prayed for him.

 

[Rizen]

A lot of characters have an easier time than in Brawl simply because SSB4 doesn't have stupid broken top tiers and MK to shut them down.

@ Alacion want to wifi? Can you help me with the Peach MU?

 

[FullMoon]

In my opinion hardest character to play is by far.

Most of the characters really only have one thing that takes a bit of time to get adjusted to (staying in the air/ground all the time with Jiggs/Mac, catching Robin's tomes/sword, micromanaging Olimar's pikmin even though it's not that necessary, getting the timing right with Zelda's kicks, etc)

Shulk however demands a lot of adaptation in the heat of the battle and constant changes on the character's stats and getting used to every one of them and what you can and can't do in every single one and then there's MALLC which just adds another layer to the matter. Shulk basically demands you to learn 6 different characters and switch between them all the time.

 

[Alacion]

Kevin, we should revive Brawl in our community. c:

Hm people would be turned off of the game. Some of us have a good head start already :o

I'm always down to play Brawl though!


Okay, show me a national tournament where Peach has performed. Hell, even the best Brawl Peach in the world doesn't do well with her in Smash 4.

 

[Soul.]

I heard Wi-Fi was a major component of competitive Brawl. Is that true?

 

[Rizen]

I heard Wi-Fi was a major component of competitive Brawl. Is that true?

Yes, in the same way drinking is a major component of competitive sports.

 

[Alacion]

I heard Wi-Fi was a major component of competitive Brawl. Is that true?

There was a large community for it. A couple in Vancouver got married after meeting on AiB I believe. Wifi was garbage though and I barely played it.

 

[fatalfoxy]

I don't like calling it dumbed down, I prefer simplified as so it can have more emphasis on mindgames

That's actually a really interesting take on smash 4, and I'm inclined to agree. I think this is a big part of why the smash games can be so divisive within our community(coming from someone who loves watching all of the games being played and playing most of them); moreover, that each game prioritizes one thing above all else. 64-hitstun Melee-tech Brawl-defense PM-keeping as many chars as viable as possible within the context of having a lot of features and big roster to boot Smash Wii U-fundamentals
I feel like at the end of the day 64 and smash wii u emphasize fundamentals the most in the series, just in different ways.

 

[UkeNicky]

Technically, Kirby and Triple D suck, but officially, they Inhale.

It's all the same to me

And I get what you mean Aleate. I respect your opinion.

 

[SBphiloz4]

Hm people would be turned off of the game. Some of us have a good head start already :o

I'm always down to play Brawl though!


Okay, show me a national tournament where Peach has performed. Hell, even the best Brawl Peach in the world doesn't do well with her in Smash 4.

Brb convincing VSB to host Brawl tourneys.

The game is still young, so results won't be able to tell the whole story so far. I mean, a Mii Sword won a tourney before, so anything can happen. I will admit that Peach has no results to back her up as of now, but I really hope that with time, people will realize that she does have some hidden potential in her.

 

[Berserker.]

Shulk will always be the hardest character to master and play.

Until now, I still feel like all the Shulks are misusing his arts for some reason....

 

[Soul.]

Yes, in the same way drinking is a major component of competitive sports.

I'm surprised to see videos of Brawl Wi-Fi that aren't replays, with no lag. Or at least it seems like it.

There was a large community for it. A couple in Vancouver got married after meeting on AiB I believe. Wifi was garbage though and I barely played it.

Yeah, it was garbage. At least Smash 4's Wi-Fi is better but where's my chain grabs

 

[Kofu]

I heard Wi-Fi was a major component of competitive Brawl. Is that true?

I played it a lot because I'm a lazy fart who doesn't want to drive an hour to go to tournaments. But it was important, to a degree. I believe players like Ally and Dabuz started out playing online then transitioned to offline play and ended up becoming amazing. It's also the reason that I'm not terrible at the game. The OTL here felt like it was more lax and fun then than now, too.

 

[Berserker.]

where's my chain grabs

In the abyss where it deserves to stay

 

[Ffamran]

... Really? I deleted the personal stuff, bolded the really "interesting" ones, and the rest... they're vague as ****. Why the hell would you post something so vague and why the hell are half of these characters even on there if you have no idea about their MU. Seriously, look at Falco, Mario, and Fox's description. THERE'S A QUESTION MARK FOR FOX'S! That literally questions your credibility. First post, tier lists, MU lists, and coming from no credibility at all made worse by how the entire post is vague. Yay, CCI... The place to lose brain cells and rage.

I personally believe that is still a polarizing character just because of how ridiculous her MU ratio is:

After patch, it's either even or in her favor
Even or slightly in her favor
in her favor since she's is one of the few if not only characters who do not care about his neutral shenanigans
Greatly in her favor since she has everything to beat captain falcon reliably and is consistent in doing so (one of his worst MU)
boards consider their worst MU
very bad for Luigi if plays the MU correctly (considered his worst MU)
I have no clue since he doesn't get any noticeable nor do I never fight any, but I can prolly concur that it's in her favor
in her favor (although really the only heavy that can somewhat play against her)
in her favor
in her favor
in her favor
in her favor
Even
in her favor
have horrible MU or bad MU against her (considered their worst MU)
only character that has any noticeable advantages against and even then it's 45:55 at best or I dare say Even considering just how crap Lucario Neutral is against her
in her favor greatly (platforms really screw him over in 1v1)
in her favor
I don't really know
Slightly in sheik favor ?
bad, very bad, she has everything that Robin hates
in her favor
bad
in her favor
in her favor
in her favor
bad
bad
The rest of the cast I have not enough knowledge or I just forgot to include them in :[.

 

[Berserker.]

http://smashboards.com/threads/texas-showdown-2015-sm4sh-results.402364/

Notes:
Yeah boi Gnes
3 Sheiks lol
Trel@ at 5th
ChrisG at 17th
Solo Zelda at 17th

 

[Trieste SP]

http://smashboards.com/threads/texas-showdown-2015-sm4sh-results.402364/
Solo Zelda at 17th

I sprayed my drink when I read this. NanaSuki ?

 

[Soul.]

In the abyss where it deserves to stay

Are you sure? Because chain grabbing Shulk and company would be hilarious

 

[Antonykun]

http://smashboards.com/threads/texas-showdown-2015-sm4sh-results.402364/

Notes:
Yeah boi Gnes
3 Sheiks lol
Trel@ at 5th
ChrisG at 17th
Solo Zelda at 17th

BAN*ZELDA

 

[r_greening1]

.. Thoughts on Palutena in the difficulty department?
I just thought about her because when I use her Idunno I think it's really hard sometimes since so many of her moves are sorta situational.

I'd say she's a bit difficult to utilize to her full potential. The Palutena boards have a whole thread dedicated to moving as Palutena

imo Peach is easily top 10. I like to think of her as Brawl Peach with no autocancel fair to jab, later bair autocancel, an arguably better uair, slightly better mobility, slightly slower Turnips with no more Turnip ATs, a better combo game, a new mid range punish, and most importantly, a TON of kill power

Yeah but I've been finding some weird complications...I think you have to hit with the sourspot dair as fast as possible or with the center or the hitbox (not sure which yet) otherwise it doesn't cause a forced getup sooo...idk. I'm gonna try and figure out the answer tomorrow

If I'm not mistaken, Zelda's Sourspot D-air, Sourspot F-air, and Sourspot B-air can initiate a jab lock. I believe I got you with a B-air one, but I punished with Naryu's Love instead of a kill move because I'm a genius lol

 

[SBphiloz4]

http://smashboards.com/threads/texas-showdown-2015-sm4sh-results.402364/

Notes:
Yeah boi Gnes
3 Sheiks lol
Trel@ at 5th
ChrisG at 17th
Solo Zelda at 17th

NanaSuki is my new waifu now. Decent showing from him/her~

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I'd say she's a bit difficult to utilize to her full potential. The Palutena boards have a whole thread dedicated to moving as Palutena

If I'm not mistaken, Zelda's Sourspot D-air, Sourspot F-air, and Sourspot B-air can initiate a jab lock. I believe I got you with a B-air one, but I punished with Naryu's Love instead of a kill move because I'm a genius lol

LOL I remember when you did the bair footstool thing

Yeah you definitely can but from what I've tested so far, for some reason the sourspot dair occasionally won't lock. Not sure why. I'll look into fair and bair bc I haven't tried those yet. Another random thing I found was dtilt to footstool and immediately Nayru's Love to stop Zelda's momentum and then you can read the getup option but that isn't guaranteed soooo

 

[FullMoon]

Chaingrabs bore me to death because just doing the same thing over and over again with nothing else happening is just not fun and gets tedious really fast.

Greninja could have a really good chaingrab that leads into an Up-Smash kill and I probably wouldn't use it.

http://smashboards.com/threads/texas-showdown-2015-sm4sh-results.402364/

Notes:
Yeah boi Gnes
3 Sheiks lol
Trel@ at 5th
ChrisG at 17th
Solo Zelda at 17th

... Hey, that Samboner guy in 3rd. I've played him a lot in the ladder

He was actually the guy who motivated me to keep playing because when I was feeling really down about how poorly I was doing he insisted that my Greninja was amazing and that I could easily get to top 3 and all that.

That pep talk did wonders now that I think about it.

 

[Burgundy]

@WaifuRaccoonBL did you see that cafe place they walked by in the Splatoon hub tour? You can see Callie and Marie having lunch together aargh it's so cute.

Also I'm sorry I can't contribute to...whatever you guys are talking about. I haven't read like half of it.

http://smashboards.com/threads/texas-showdown-2015-sm4sh-results.402364/

Notes:
Yeah boi Gnes
3 Sheiks lol
Trel@ at 5th
ChrisG at 17th
Solo Zelda at 17th

Ooooooooh you go gorl.

Alright good night everyone.

 

[Kikkipoptart12]

... Really? I deleted the personal stuff, bolded the really "interesting" ones, and the rest... they're vague as ****. Why the hell would you post something so vague and why the hell are half of these characters even on there if you have no idea about their MU. Seriously, look at Falco, Mario, and Fox's description. THERE'S A QUESTION MARK FOR FOX'S! That literally questions your credibility. First post, tier lists, MU lists, and coming from no credibility at all made worse by how the entire post is vague. Yay, CCI... The place to lose brain cells and rage.

I don't post anything in that thread, because I find it pointless. It not going to help me get better with my main so what the point of it?

 

[r_greening1]

LOL I remember when you did the bair footstool thing

Yeah you definitely can but from what I've tested so far, for some reason the sourspot dair occasionally won't lock. Not sure why. I'll look into fair and bair bc I haven't tried those yet. Another random thing I found was dtilt to footstool and immediately Nayru's Love to stop Zelda's momentum and then you can read the getup option but that isn't guaranteed soooo

That Dtilt thing sounds like it can be something pretty sweet! Could you maybe Farore's wind when you're on top of them, so it makes them react, but if they stay in place they'll get hit with the reappear? As for the Dair, I just know it only works on a certain percent range so that could be it.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

That Dtilt thing sounds like it can be something pretty sweet! Could you maybe Farore's wind when you're on top of them, so it makes them react, but if they stay in place they'll get hit with the reappear? As for the Dair, I just know it only works on a certain percent range so that could be it.

Do you mean like use Farore's so they have to airdodge and then teleport straight down to where they'd land? If so, you can't do that in this game because new FW mechanics make it so that when you teleport down you go either diagonally left/right >_> Oh and the dair thing is percent dependent? That's really helpful to know, thanks for telling me!

 

[Berserker.]

Are you sure? Because chain grabbing Shulk and company would be hilarious

Pretty sure a world without chaingrabs would make it a better place

NanaSuki is my new waifu now. Decent showing from him/her~

He's been using Zelda for a while now

... Hey, that Samboner guy in 3rd. I've played him a lot in the ladder

He was actually the guy who motivated me to keep playing because when I was feeling really down about how poorly I was doing he insisted that my Greninja was amazing and that I could easily get to top 3 and all that.

That pep talk did wonders now that I think about it.

He's really good. Back in TGC1, he made it sooooo far in loser's to the point where he even landed 5th place.