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Annals of the Heavens - The Pits User Listing and Video Thread

Funkermonster

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Dr. Snakes

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Username: Dr. Snakes
In-Game name/Gamertag: Blue Beast
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Residence: Tampa, Florida
Palette Color: I mean, my name IS Blue Beast. Though I'm a fan of Technicolor Pit as well every now and then, as well as Dark Regular Pit.
Message: I've come from Marth, to Fox, and now I'm settling on Pit (though I keep the other two on stand-by). I like how he has pretty good options for most situations, as well as range similiar to Marth's. Plus he's a sword user. I love sword users. Dual Blades make him even more awesome.

I do have a Youtube, and I'm planning on Streaming at some point, but right now I'm lacking a capture card for both. There are a few videos of my Pit on Youtube from certain streams, but they only show my Pit when I was just starting out. I'll see if I can get a more recent video up soon.
 

Ffamran

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Uploaded on terminalkai, Dark Pit vs. Little Mac: [1]. and [2].

vs. Dr. Mario: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCPbK0U5-Q.

(Vanilla Pit) vs. Sheik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjEBb_DMZ04.

(Vanilla Pit) vs. Luigi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnLGDqaUgNg.

(Vanilla Pit) vs. Villager: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLZ-RMEU9Dk.

vs. Shulk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QaYL-Rj1Mw.

vs. Wii Fit Trainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJynEmpGAIY.

vs. Ike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJYG0mWgXw.

vs. Duck Hunt: [1] and [2].

vs. Greninja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9RuyYJDIdk&feature=player_detailpage#t=206.

Edit: From Great's Channel, Dark Pit vs. Marth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebRDPPr7FTg.

Dark Pit and Falco vs Purin, Jigglypuff's Japanese name: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjmwO1CAFO8.

vs. ZSS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjh36vCX2eM&feature=player_detailpage#t=171.

vs Yoshi and Murabito/Villager: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9LpqKcgZlQ.
 
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Otsillac

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Message: I'm awful, but um...at least I'm persistent? I dunno. Messages are hard. :/
 

Ridel

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Country of Residence: US (Massachusetts)
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Message: Dark Pit is my pocket for certain match-ups that Wario or Ludwig have difficulty in like Rosalina or ZSS. Plus I really only main silly characters, so I need someone edgy in my pocket. Also Kid Icarus: Uprising is one of my favorite game of all time.
 
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Dr. Snakes

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Just played at a Weekly last night. I'll post a link w/ the time stamp to all of my singles matches.

http://www.twitch.tv/battlebuddiesgaming/v/4207566?t=12m49s (Went Marth the first 2 matches, then Pit the last.)

http://www.twitch.tv/battlebuddiesgaming/v/4207566?t=58m35s

http://www.twitch.tv/battlebuddiesgaming/v/4207566?t=1h56m20s

http://www.twitch.tv/battlebuddiesgaming/v/4207566?t=2h19m44s

Would love some critiquing, especially on game 3 of the first match. I struggled against the Diddy for a while there.
 

Tsutori

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@ Dr. Snakes Dr. Snakes Really nice stuff. You’re a much more aggressive Pit than I am, haha. Those juggles and grabs are on point. I’d say maybe try some more down tilts since that’s a really good move for comboing into dash attack/aerials, and it’s good against those players who like to rush at you — I use that against Captain Falcons a lot.

Against Ness, be careful with overusing the arrows since he can absorb those and heal. There was also one moment in the Ness match on the third video where Ness was at 148%, and you opted for an up throw; at that point I’m pretty sure forward throw would kill so that would probably be a better move. In the chance he survives he would also basically be forced to use PK Thunder, which you can Guardian Orbitar.

Against ThatFat1’s Captain Falcon, I feel like there were moments when it would have been safer to recover using the Electroshock Arm instead of the Up B, which could help you avoid getting spiked/stage spiked.

I’d love to play you at some point, that was awesome to watch.
 

Dr. Snakes

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@ Dr. Snakes Dr. Snakes Really nice stuff. You’re a much more aggressive Pit than I am, haha. Those juggles and grabs are on point. I’d say maybe try some more down tilts since that’s a really good move for comboing into dash attack/aerials, and it’s good against those players who like to rush at you — I use that against Captain Falcons a lot.

Against Ness, be careful with overusing the arrows since he can absorb those and heal. There was also one moment in the Ness match on the third video where Ness was at 148%, and you opted for an up throw; at that point I’m pretty sure forward throw would kill so that would probably be a better move. In the chance he survives he would also basically be forced to use PK Thunder, which you can Guardian Orbitar.

Against ThatFat1’s Captain Falcon, I feel like there were moments when it would have been safer to recover using the Electroshock Arm instead of the Up B, which could help you avoid getting spiked/stage spiked.

I’d love to play you at some point, that was awesome to watch.
Thanks. I've been working on baiting out airdodges for a while now, though it could still use some work imo. Empty Hops are just so good. I do use Dtilt a bit, but I do respect that it's a good move for spacing. I'll try to implement it in my playstyle a bit more often.

I typically don't really mind if Ness tries to DownB my arrows. I actually force it out of him so I can punish him. Even if he does absorb my Arrow, it only heals 5%, which I can easily deal back twice over with a dash attack or grab. Also I like to bait it offstage. It'll either allow for me to run in and get an aerial, or it will force them below stage, where they'll either have to DJ to the stage (Ness's DJ doesn't auto-snap the ledge) or rely on PK Thunder to get them back (I can gimp them with Orbiters).

About using SideB to recover instead. I honestly didn't really know a reliable way to get to the edge while having armor active. There have been plenty of time where I've been spiked JUST as the armor wore off because I didn't know you could auto-snap while the armor was on if you spaced it correctly. I just went over the SideB tech guide by @EnGarde , so now I'll be using that more often.
 

Tsutori

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@ Dr. Snakes Dr. Snakes Huh, I never really thought of using arrows against Ness like that. I think I'm a little weak on baiting so I'll definitely keep that in mind next time I fight my Ness main friend.
 

Tsutori

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@ Neath Neath One thing I would try to avoid is overusing the dash attack. It’s a good move, but using it too often gets predictable and punishable. I also wouldn’t try using Up B to recover until you’ve exhausted the options of using your jumps and trying the Upperdash Arm; in many cases those are safer, especially against people who might try to spike you. When you hit the opponent off the stage, it’s very tempting just to shoot some arrows, which can be useful to tack on damage if they’re farther away, but don’t be afraid to chase them either. Pit has a lot of jumps and great recovery options and you can definitely survive following an opponent off stage.

Against Toon Link in particular, expect a LOT of aggressive projectile use; try playing a little more defensively as opposed rushing in, and anticipate Toon Link making grab attempts after you shield his projectiles. Using the Guardian Orbitars more may be beneficial, though you do have to watch out for the end lag on that move. It's probably easiest to use that against the boomerang and arrows because the bombs can have weird trajectories after you reflect them.
 

moofpi

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Hey Pits, the Japanese tournament (monthly?) Umebura 14 happened about a week or two ago and had a lot of good players.
These are the videos of Earth (Pit), who was the best Pit in the world during Brawl. He seems to still be doing well since won even with other big players present.

WB3- Yui (:4fox:, was the best Fox in Brawl) vs Earth :4pit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDQBWFuDCeY
WB4- Earth :4pit: vs Shima :4sheik:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oyCjK7N-cA

LB7- Umeki :4peach: vs Earth :4pit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z32ev7vvlhE

Loser's Semis- Earth :4pit: vs Shima :4sheik:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzOnJNKKoJA

Loser's Quarters- Earth :4pit: vs Nariyasu :4diddy:/:4mario:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tg8LG23g2A

Loser's Finals- Earth :4pit: vs Ranai :4villager:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71s0BzBo7Z0

Grand Finals- Earth :4pit: vs Rain :4diddy:/:4sheik:(Pretty sure he's the best Diddy in Japan)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JutIdJ_sEQ8
 
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Kyogokudo

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Would any kind Pit player look at the replay I sent with the replay function to give me some tips? I have no way to record it at the moment. You can find it by searching France, Town&City, and of course Pit. I lost but it's probably one of my best match as Pit so far.
 

pinkdeaf1

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Uploaded on terminalkai, Dark Pit vs. Little Mac: [1]. and [2].

vs. Dr. Mario: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCPbK0U5-Q.

(Vanilla Pit) vs. Sheik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjEBb_DMZ04.

(Vanilla Pit) vs. Luigi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnLGDqaUgNg.

(Vanilla Pit) vs. Villager: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLZ-RMEU9Dk.

vs. Shulk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QaYL-Rj1Mw.

vs. Wii Fit Trainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJynEmpGAIY.

vs. Ike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJYG0mWgXw.

vs. Duck Hunt: [1] and [2].

vs. Greninja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9RuyYJDIdk&feature=player_detailpage#t=206.

Edit: From Great's Channel, Dark Pit vs. Marth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebRDPPr7FTg.

Dark Pit and Falco vs Purin, Jigglypuff's Japanese name: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjmwO1CAFO8.

vs. ZSS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjh36vCX2eM&feature=player_detailpage#t=171.

vs Yoshi and Murabito/Villager: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9LpqKcgZlQ.
vs. Doc M: I noticed that the Dark Pit always tried approaching even when he had the lead, and the doc M had stage control, so that was not good. He could have utilized arrows more often when doc M was putting up those bair walls.

vs. Shulk: Yet again, more arrows would definitely help here. Playing defensively versus shulk, I believe, is a must in the matchup so that was good. Sometimes, the dark pit would get grabs and then immediately after throw. This can mess up di occasionally, but there were times when pummeling before the throw could have led to earlier kills.

Just a general note, but the dark pit staled his f-throw just a bit in many matches. It does get stage control and put him in the position to edgeguard, but against characters who recover really well, racking up percent for that f-throw kill is more important.

That is all I can speak of in terms of advice. Other than that, the vids were pretty awesome. I learned some new things watching them. The neutral game was played very well, imo.
 

Dr. Snakes

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Would any kind Pit player look at the replay I sent with the replay function to give me some tips? I have no way to record it at the moment. You can find it by searching France, Town&City, and of course Pit. I lost but it's probably one of my best match as Pit so far.
Don't have a Wii U on me atm, but what you can try doing is finding a stream to play on, then watch the VOD of that broadcast later to find your matches, and then link the specific time. It's what I'm doing atm until I can get my own capture device.
 

Neath

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Thx for the advices Tsutori. It's true that I do way too much dash attack, I will try to fix that.
 

Kyogokudo

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I decided to record that game I talked about. I also have one more recent match here.
 

Kibzu~

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Havnt posted on smash boards for some time so lets start off with pit again ^^'


Get hypu even tho its super hard for us angles to style ;-;.

Enjoy
 

Dr. Snakes

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http://www.twitch.tv/resotampa/b/662106578?t=1h51m32s (Pit vs Ness)

http://www.twitch.tv/resotampa/b/662106578?t=4h20m20s (Pit vs Sheik)

Here are the two matches I played on stream on Saturday. I also went to a tournament on Friday, but I'm waiting for the videos to be uploaded to Youtube.

Edit: Also, to anyone who need their gameplay recorded, you can add my NNID (BlueDaBeast) and I'll take your replays and upload them to Youtube, since I now have a Capture Card. Conversely, we could also just play each other and I'll put the games on my channel that way.

Edit 2: Unfortunately, only one of matches got recorded from Friday. But it's w/e. I'll get more footage up myself at a later date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzenaVrMviA (Pit vs Villager)

Edit 3: Aaand spoke too soon. Loser's Finals match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMmNPAIW9s (Pit vs C. Falcon)
 
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Kyogokudo

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Is it me or this board is rather inactive? Anyways I'd sure like to play you @ Dr. Snakes Dr. Snakes , I need to fight a good Pit to improve. Oh and might as well add this.
User name: @ Kyogokudo Kyogokudo
In-Game name: Kyogokudo
3DS Friend Code: 0301-9917-1099
(Wii U) Nintendo Network ID: yoshiboo62
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Message: Sorry to keep YOU waiting. But now that I'm here, let's get this party started! Pit is only my second but I'm looking forward to learn him with you all.
 

Auxiliary_Bro

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-MD84AN_xmdimccTRanxcgthkdX1rBvf

First time uploading some videos. Going to a local tournament next week and would love some critique if anybody's up for it!

Sadly I'm not the one with the capture card; I had to send these replays to a very kind friend who was happy to do them. I don't want to trouble him too much, so I mainly sent him my most recent ones where I got killed on FG. I wasn't sure whether to send over ones where I SD'd since the mistake there is usually a missed input or a silly panicky moment (I put one up anyway), since I had to be kinda selective on what I sent over.

Any feedback at all would be incredibly appreciated. Thank you so much!
 

eshu125

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Alrighty I got some replays, but first off:

User name: Eshu125
In-Game name: Eshura
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(Wii U) Nintendo Network ID:
Eshuraa
Country of Residence: USA
Palette Colour: Black
Message: sup
replays:

vs JFK (Yoshi) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQqGV7CeZ_8

vs Andoo (Wario) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNuncYND-So

vs Ghey (Sonic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgIkGmWJyxA

vs ssb100 (Olimar) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmV7jokr9ec (I go falco game 1)

vs Fishbait (Marth, may Little Mac rest in pepperonis on duck hunt) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVLgKsOl2uI

vs Arcana (luigi, palutena, megaman) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcEkr9LRWrM

vs Fishbait (Fox, Falcon) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odmU_Pxlpxo


edit: I think it goes without saying that if anyone wanted to watch some and give me any tips or pointers I would greatly appreciate it. I do 'well' in these sets but I'm still sort of new to pit so I'm still learning how to play him as optimally as I can.
 
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Dr. Snakes

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jaddasroots

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Hope I'm not too late to the party.
User name: Jaddasroots
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Country of Residence: USA
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Message: I've been maining Pittoo for awhile. I main D3 as well, but my training partners tell me that DPit is my best. I've been looking for more Pit/DPit mains to learn from. I'll try and upload some match links once each patch doesnt kill my replays.
 

Dr. Snakes

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http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp2/v/6653671?t=1h40m40s

Until it gets uploaded to Youtube in a couple of weeks, here's the VOD link to my set against GimR at CEO about a day ago.

After rewatching this, I didn't do nearly as bad as I thought I did at the time. It seems like it was mostly a case of MU inexperience, atleast from my perspective. As usual, any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.
 

Wintropy

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Alrighty I got some replays, but first off:

User name: Eshu125
In-Game name: Eshura
3DS Friend Code: N/A
(Wii U) Nintendo Network ID:
Eshuraa
Country of Residence: USA
Palette Colour: Black
Message: sup
replays:

vs JFK (Yoshi) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQqGV7CeZ_8

vs Andoo (Wario) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNuncYND-So

vs Ghey (Sonic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgIkGmWJyxA

vs ssb100 (Olimar) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmV7jokr9ec (I go falco game 1)

vs Fishbait (Marth, may Little Mac rest in pepperonis on duck hunt) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVLgKsOl2uI

vs Arcana (luigi, palutena, megaman) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcEkr9LRWrM

vs Fishbait (Fox, Falcon) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odmU_Pxlpxo


edit: I think it goes without saying that if anyone wanted to watch some and give me any tips or pointers I would greatly appreciate it. I do 'well' in these sets but I'm still sort of new to pit so I'm still learning how to play him as optimally as I can.
Sorry to keep you waiting!

Yeah right I took a gander at a couple of these and figured I'd offer my two cents.

- I notice you're a tad trigger-happy with side-b. Rule of thumb for Arms is that, unless you know you're going to hit, be very cautious of using them; throwing them out as an approach is not a good idea.

- In the first match (vs Yoshi), you dash -> backdash a lot and I'm not sure why. I'm not of the opinion that rolling is a bad idea, nor that you should not roll: what you should do is roll more cleverly and know when it's a good idea to roll and when it's a good idea to dash or pivot instead.

- You let your opponent hassle you a lot, and it seems to be because you have difficulty landing and making it back to the stage. You also seem to struggle in neutral against aggressive characters: in that situation, don't just stand there and try to fidget out of the fight! Get them out of your face with n-air and follow up only if you feel confident that you can get them before they retaliate. Pit is not going to be able to out-aggro rushdown fighters, he's just not - rather than trying to stay firm and fight back, it's often good to just backpedal and get the hell out of danger first.

- No empty f-smashes. No no no no. Bad Eshura. That never works.

- You have arrows: use them. Fullhop -> arrow is a good pressure tactic and is especially good to force an approach or to toy with campers, just remember not to get too trigger-happy against rushdown fighters. Arrows should be used when appropriate, just don't forget they are there and they are a useful tool.

- Constant airdodge: huge no-no. Same rules as rolling apply here: airdodge all you want, just do it cleverly. By the same token, never ever ever ever EVER airdodge into the ground.

- You rely way too much on dash attack and smashes. You're neglecting a few of Pit's best moves: pivot f-tilt, d-tilt, shorthop fastfall b-air, crossover side-b, d-air strings and d-throw combos (d-throw -> u-smash is good at low percents, d-throw -> b-air is a good kill move) are a few moves you ought to consider adding to your set. That said, if you are going to dash attack, remember that it combos into u-smash at low percents.

- Your bait game needs work. Too often you go for the rushdown -> hit -> backdash -> arrow string. Not only is that very predictable after the first couple of times, it also puts you right up against the edge, which is a TERRIBLE PLACE TO BE AGAINST A RUSHDOWN FIGHTER.

- Mixups. Use 'em.

- Spotdodge is your friend.

- Why do you not use n-air to approach? Whyyyy~?!

- Save your jumps. If you jump consistently in the air, especially as an approach, you severely limit what you can do to counter your opponent. Pit has four jumps: don't waste a single one.

- You grab well. That's good! You rely on grabs. That's...no, that's not good. Notice how your opponent starts to get savvy to it and spotdodge? Smash is, at its core, hyper-fast ultra-intense rock-paper-scissors: if your opponent gets coy to your tactics and can trump them, you're done. Mix it up. Mixups, like spotdodge, are your friend.

- Okay, this is a huge note that I think encapsulates my entire critique: at about the 12:40 mark in the first video (vs Yoshi), you and Yoshi are at opposite ends of the stage. He's tossing eggs at you, making no attempt to approach; your response is to dash -> backdash and shorthop -> fastfall back. You did absolutely nothing to approach him effectively. While it's very rarely a good idea to try and rushdown as aggressive a fighter as Yoshi, you're doing nothing here but baiting him (ineffectively) and demonstrating how hesitant you are to approach. Mentally, Yoshi is at a huge advantage here: he knows you're not going to approach or mix it up, he can bide time time and then move in when he feels confident. While you did manage to get him with f-throw at 13:04, it should not have taken nearly half a minute to achieve that. You could have fired a few arrows at him, moved in with empty n-airs, thrown out shorthop d-airs, gone for broke with a pivot f-tilt, done anything except meander in and backpedal without intent. Patience is a virtue, and kudos for sticking to your guns, but if you're going to use the same tactic to the end of the fight, expect to get punished heavily for it.

Overall, you've definitely got the fundamentals down and it'd be remiss of me to say you're not a good player - you just need to work on it and fix a few consistent issues. If you ever want to play, feel free to drop me a line, and good luck in future!
 

eshu125

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Sorry to keep you waiting!

Yeah right I took a gander at a couple of these and figured I'd offer my two cents.

- I notice you're a tad trigger-happy with side-b. Rule of thumb for Arms is that, unless you know you're going to hit, be very cautious of using them; throwing them out as an approach is not a good idea.

- In the first match (vs Yoshi), you dash -> backdash a lot and I'm not sure why. I'm not of the opinion that rolling is a bad idea, nor that you should not roll: what you should do is roll more cleverly and know when it's a good idea to roll and when it's a good idea to dash or pivot instead.

- You let your opponent hassle you a lot, and it seems to be because you have difficulty landing and making it back to the stage. You also seem to struggle in neutral against aggressive characters: in that situation, don't just stand there and try to fidget out of the fight! Get them out of your face with n-air and follow up only if you feel confident that you can get them before they retaliate. Pit is not going to be able to out-aggro rushdown fighters, he's just not - rather than trying to stay firm and fight back, it's often good to just backpedal and get the hell out of danger first.

- No empty f-smashes. No no no no. Bad Eshura. That never works.

- You have arrows: use them. Fullhop -> arrow is a good pressure tactic and is especially good to force an approach or to toy with campers, just remember not to get too trigger-happy against rushdown fighters. Arrows should be used when appropriate, just don't forget they are there and they are a useful tool.

- Constant airdodge: huge no-no. Same rules as rolling apply here: airdodge all you want, just do it cleverly. By the same token, never ever ever ever EVER airdodge into the ground.

- You rely way too much on dash attack and smashes. You're neglecting a few of Pit's best moves: pivot f-tilt, d-tilt, shorthop fastfall b-air, crossover side-b, d-air strings and d-throw combos (d-throw -> u-smash is good at low percents, d-throw -> b-air is a good kill move) are a few moves you ought to consider adding to your set. That said, if you are going to dash attack, remember that it combos into u-smash at low percents.

- Your bait game needs work. Too often you go for the rushdown -> hit -> backdash -> arrow string. Not only is that very predictable after the first couple of times, it also puts you right up against the edge, which is a TERRIBLE PLACE TO BE AGAINST A RUSHDOWN FIGHTER.

- Mixups. Use 'em.

- Spotdodge is your friend.

- Why do you not use n-air to approach? Whyyyy~?!

- Save your jumps. If you jump consistently in the air, especially as an approach, you severely limit what you can do to counter your opponent. Pit has four jumps: don't waste a single one.

- You grab well. That's good! You rely on grabs. That's...no, that's not good. Notice how your opponent starts to get savvy to it and spotdodge? Smash is, at its core, hyper-fast ultra-intense rock-paper-scissors: if your opponent gets coy to your tactics and can trump them, you're done. Mix it up. Mixups, like spotdodge, are your friend.

- Okay, this is a huge note that I think encapsulates my entire critique: at about the 12:40 mark in the first video (vs Yoshi), you and Yoshi are at opposite ends of the stage. He's tossing eggs at you, making no attempt to approach; your response is to dash -> backdash and shorthop -> fastfall back. You did absolutely nothing to approach him effectively. While it's very rarely a good idea to try and rushdown as aggressive a fighter as Yoshi, you're doing nothing here but baiting him (ineffectively) and demonstrating how hesitant you are to approach. Mentally, Yoshi is at a huge advantage here: he knows you're not going to approach or mix it up, he can bide time time and then move in when he feels confident. While you did manage to get him with f-throw at 13:04, it should not have taken nearly half a minute to achieve that. You could have fired a few arrows at him, moved in with empty n-airs, thrown out shorthop d-airs, gone for broke with a pivot f-tilt, done anything except meander in and backpedal without intent. Patience is a virtue, and kudos for sticking to your guns, but if you're going to use the same tactic to the end of the fight, expect to get punished heavily for it.

Overall, you've definitely got the fundamentals down and it'd be remiss of me to say you're not a good player - you just need to work on it and fix a few consistent issues. If you ever want to play, feel free to drop me a line, and good luck in future!

Thanks so much for your response man. I know I'm good (haha) but I also know that doesn't necessarily make my pit super hot. I'm not sure how many sets you checked out but I can definitely agree that my set vs JFK's yoshi was pretty sloppy. It happened a few weeks after I had just picked up pit and I had no idea what to do going into the matchup (he knocked me into losers earlier in the tourney).

You mentioned frequently that I should be adding nair to my repertoire, and while I do agree that there are times when it's a useful move that I should be using, I will also defend myself in that it's an extremely unsafe move on shield and I'm somewhat of a safe player. That doesn't mean that there aren't options that it's useful in, and I will surely find those options in the future and make use of it!

But again, thanks for all the tips.
 

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I agree on Nair being unsafe. It doesn't have as much range as the animation would have you think, and there are plenty of times when I've just been hit through the move. SH Nair is pretty good at option coverage at the ledge, and covering spotdodges out of a dash.

Dair is a pretty decent approach option. I like SH Dair OoS and FH Dair. Try and implement that when you can instead.
 

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notyourparadigm

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Oop, I've been meaning to share some videos of myself for review, and now that I've started streaming, I suppose I can! I was having some trouble with internet so my last stream is fragmented, but all the better since I can grab a few specific matches against my viewers I'd love to have critiqued (going to a Tournament on Saturday, so even some quick pointers would be great before then!). I went Shulk too for a few of them, so of course feel free to ignore those games.
Here's a set versus Beatdown (:4ryu: / :4falcon:)
[Please ignore how many times I shielded Ryu's focus attack... still got to get the hang of these DLC characters,)
Here's one versus Lucario030 (:4darkpit: / :4feroy: )
And one game versus SalvyGames (:4pacman:)

Also it's worth sharing some of Earth's always impressive moves. I'm personally really digging his fabulous edgeguards, hoping to take some notes myself!

EDIT: I guess I should also give my user bio, whoopsies

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Message: I'm a Smash Student who hopes to translate Smash Theory into Smash Practice. I'm always down for critique or advise in general. Let's make sure everyone knows of how competitive Pit can be in tournaments!
 
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Funkermonster

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On a scale of 1-10, how'd you rate my Pit and what would you say I need to work on most? Been playing him for around 2 months now I've really been loving it, is a potential candidate for my 3rd character for my tournament experience. I do not have a capture card and can't yet afford one, so unfortunately the quality is kinda crappy (can't wait for youtube replay sharing to come out next month) since I could only record with my phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB0aaeu8L5I :4mario: and :4zss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=741H2NQK35Q :4feroy: and :4falcon: (there's a short but poor intermission with the falcon part as I had to answer the doorbell)

Please give honest feedback and get as detailed as you can, I'd sooner be told the truth about my progress than to have someone sugarcoat their criticism and give me a false sense of hope. As long as the criticism is done from good intent, in a polite manner, and will guide me in the right direction, whatever you say!
 

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I don't have a capture card (and I need practice anyways), and I'm not sure how to upload videos anyways. If anyone wants a laugh at my performance though feel free to send me friend requests and I'll send you a video.
 
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