Are we alone in the universe???

[Gamer4Fire]

Wow, not only life in the universe, but life right in our own solar system...

Just out of curiosity, are we talking about bacteria, "give you a head cold" aliens or bipedal, "take me to your leader" aliens?

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[Super Akuma]

Well I think silicon-based life-forms would have to be living in extreme heats so maybe there can be life close to a star. Though the possibilities of intelligent life are very rare. The planet also doesn't need an atmosphere to support life, originally the first single-celled organisms were Pre-Cambium. They could have evolved into humans that didn't need air. The possibilities of life are increased the more variables in life you consider.

 

[Crono]

The first evidence of life found was from 3.5 billion years ago, and by then, the Earth had been very active with volcanic eruptions and celestial collisions.

When volcanoes erupt, they release water vapor. Becuase the earth had been active for over a billion years at this point, it already had an atmosphere with water vapor in it, as well as oceans.

The first life on Earth did thrive in oxygen-rich seas; they were not deprived.

 

[Crono]

Oops... accidently double-posted.

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[t^grun]

If there is life on another planet, which i beleive so, it is highly likely that it is a form of bacteria of some sort. Actually, i believe that i one time heard that traces of bacteria were found on a meteorite from Mars.

The Andromeda Strain, a book by Michael Crichton, also has some very possible ways in which bacteria can survive in outer space or on another planet. A very interesting book.

 

[Game & Watch]

hmmmm..... *just finished watching conspircey theroy* hmmm....... I might slightly change this topic but hopefully I won't. watching that program they had some good evidence that the moon landing was a hoax. The way they proved this was pictures that had cross hairs. All cross hairs I suppost to be infront of everything on the photograph but some weren't. They also explained something about stuff leaking out and how they had to kill some of the astronaunts because they knew stuff they shouldn't have. Now you might be wondering what this has to do with life in the universe, welll..... if the moon landing is a hoax, than it might not be possible that we found infomation about water being on Mars. Now you may go and say that there is photographs and evidnce and stuff but I was once told something, you never actually know something, unless you see it, feel it and belive it. photographs, samples, whatever, this could all be a cover up for something that they're planinng for the future. To were they want to find something out and make sure no one else knows. Now, I'm not saying that there is no planets. You can easily look though a telescope and see the planets, but with the evidence of the hoax I saw in the program, this can prove that we didn't make it on mars and therefore, could be lying about the water. I still have some more stuff to talk about but I'll save it, I think I typed enough and I doubt that this was on topic but let's just say this is part 1 of my debate.

-G&W

 

[flyer28]

I say we aren't. There are still parts of the universe that have not yet been discovered. So we don't know for sure wether we are alone or not.

 

[kirby¹²³]

We are not alone in the universe.
It has to be another planet that can support life but it can just as well be bacterias as they can be super-intelligent or just like us.
If it is right as they say that the universe is neverending and that it expands all the time, it would be less then 0.000000001% chance that it wouldn't be life on another planet.
I don't think that they come to earth visiting in flying saucers though.

 

[Massy]

Maybe if we sent a butt load of bacteria and stuff to Venus, we could instigate life for the planet. Although, we wouldn’t know of the effects for thousands of years, but, what an experiment that would be! Imagine if we start life on a planet and they eventually evolve into a conscious species.

Hah, that'd be brilliant, they'd write books about us, claim they were the only life in the universe, have wars over the exact nature of humanity and say that they go to Earth after they die

 

[Chunky Monkey]

You people...

Have you people never heard of the Drake equation? The Drake equation is an equation for figuring out the probability that there is life on other planets in any starsystem. It basically says that the probability of life on other planets in any starsystem is:

A function of the probability that star has planets, the number of habitable planets, the probability that simple life will evolve on a habitable planet, the probability that intelligent life will evolve from simple life, and the probability that intelligent life will attempt interstellar communications within 5 billion years. That's what it says.

The problem is that we have to guess at each of these probablities. So it is equally likely that there are thousands of forms of intelligent life in the universe AND that we are the ONLY intelligent life.

So...that's all I have to say.

 

[Lansuu]

Have you ever thought about this:

What if there are aliens among us? I mean, who said they have to be little green men with bug eyes and ray guns? There could be foreign beings among us, just unnoticable. For all we know, there could be a clan of aliens who come here and visit and study our growth patterns and civilization advancement, kinda like that movie K-PAX. I'm not saying I endorse this, but I am saying that there is a possibility. And oh yeah, what about those Roswell hovermajiggers? And the CIA? They sure seem to like to keep things a secret. And they kill for it too, I bet. Durn CIA...

 

[Mad Mario]

hmmmm..... *just finished watching conspircey theroy* hmmm....... I might slightly change this topic but hopefully I won't. watching that program they had some good evidence that the moon landing was a hoax. The way they proved this was pictures that had cross hairs. All cross hairs I suppost to be infront of everything on the photograph but some weren't. They also explained something about stuff leaking out and how they had to kill some of the astronaunts because they knew stuff they shouldn't have. Now you might be wondering what this has to do with life in the universe, welll..... if the moon landing is a hoax, than it might not be possible that we found infomation about water being on Mars. Now you may go and say that there is photographs and evidnce and stuff but I was once told something, you never actually know something, unless you see it, feel it and belive it. photographs, samples, whatever, this could all be a cover up for something that they're planinng for the future. To were they want to find something out and make sure no one else knows. Now, I'm not saying that there is no planets. You can easily look though a telescope and see the planets, but with the evidence of the hoax I saw in the program, this can prove that we didn't make it on mars and therefore, could be lying about the water. I still have some more stuff to talk about but I'll save it, I think I typed enough and I doubt that this was on topic but let's just say this is part 1 of my debate.

I have read a magizine that disproved the disprovoving of the moon landing...um...or whatever. Here is what it said:

Argument: In many photos, cross hairs which were etched in the astronauts' cameras to help measure objects, seem to disappear behind objects being photographed. This is impossible if the cross hairs were inside the camera. Therefore, the images are faked.


Counterargument: In many of the photos with the cross hair knockout, the object is white. Have you ever taken an overexposed photo? White parts bleed into the film around them, making them look white too. That's what happened here; the white object overwhelmed the film, filling in the thin, black cross hair.


I hope that cleared it up for ya.


Ps. Wow I haven't been back to these boards for months! Hi people!

 

[Game & Watch]

Originally posted by Mad Mario
Argument: In many photos, cross hairs which were etched in the astronauts' cameras to help measure objects, seem to disappear behind objects being photographed. This is impossible if the cross hairs were inside the camera. Therefore, the images are faked.


Counterargument: In many of the photos with the cross hair knockout, the object is white. Have you ever taken an overexposed photo? White parts bleed into the film around them, making them look white too. That's what happened here; the white object overwhelmed the film, filling in the thin, black cross hair.

Ah. But as it says in your post, MANY of the photos with the crosshair knockout, the object is white. So that just shows that the counter argument doesn't apply to all of the pictures. And NASA is dealing with rare finding and expensive stuff, so why would they have to use film where this could happen, why didn't they use above quality kind?

 

[Mic_128]

Mmmmmm.....

Is there life in the universe other than us?
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm................................................ Yes.
Billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of planets. And we are the only living plannet in all these billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of plannets? I don't think so.

Remember-Watch the Skis
Er...Skies. Better. They won't notice........

 

[Sacred Ice]

Of course were not alone in this BIG universe. I think that there are more then 9 planets out there. Isn't universe so big that it never ends? How can ppl think that just because the researcher and astronoms haven't found life on other planets yet that it doesn't exist. I mean how can anyone be so sure about that other lifeforms doesn't exist? Didn't ppl used to think that the earth was flat. And was it? No. So I just think that it's wrong to say that other lifeforms doesn't exist.

- Nothing appears what it seems to be -

 

[Oliver]

Religious answer: Yes. God made us, and us only, in his image.

Scientific answer. Probably not - the statistic likelihood indicates us being co-habitants of our universe.

Me? I side with the scientific view.

 

[cooldan007]

y would someone make like 9 planets just 4 fun and notin livin there there has 2 be something livin in the universe besides us!!

 

[Link777]

What if... and just what if

We are in a big bowl of some huge being's lab and the stars and planets are just projected from the sides of the bowl. Maybe even the moon isn't here, it would help explain the whole hoax thing. Anywhoo if you go by this then there is other life.

Ok really thinking now:
I'm not to great wit this kind of stuff, where and how did life first happen on earth, do we know? If we don't know where life first came from, what if life can only be formed by our exact position from the sun, our atmosphere, the size of our sun, the size of our moon, the amount of light given by our sun, and the amount of planets between us and the sun? If any, the chances of any other life (other then bacteria) is very very slim.

 

[Sour Cream]

I belive that we are not alone in the universe whether their alians or not.

 

[Chunky Monkey]

Did any of you actually read the two posts about the Drake equation? There is an equal probability that there is INTELLIGENT life on other planets and that there isn't. Frankly, unless the life we may never find is extremely different from us, I'd rather find intelligent life. But that's just me.

Second the fact that the universe is infinite doesn't mean that we must have life on other planets. For all we know, every solar system except for ours is exactly the same, barren with no life. Just because the universe is infinite doesn't mean that any other possible way to make life is present.

 

[Major_Ace]

If you guys think about it, i mean REALLY think about it, the universe is so big like many have said already. It has been said that our galaxy alone has over 300 billion stars, and for all we know there could be over 300 billion galaxies, remember the universe is infinate so again with big numbers and the drake equation

about the god thing where he made us in his own image, maybe but did he say he just made the earth? think about it, ok mars, water, bacteria, etc.

Now this is a religious thery but what if god had other life on mars started too but decided to stop it because humanity became curropted...... and etc.

also recently i thought of something, about jupiter being our shield and all...now this is a CRAZY thery, your gonna have to lvl with me but, what if every star has the same format like, say every star has 9-11 planets and say only 1 of them can support life, its weird i know but say there is a evolution pattern of planets. so like im saying maybe after humans go extinct which will most likeley happen maybe a few billions years later for all we know mars could be growing plants and etc.

It's so wide that its hard to examine, but with this hoax thing, how can it be fake. i mean i know the photo stuff like recently that popped into my head about it maybe being fake. but why would they kill of soem astro naughts what did they know? we got some weird stuff going on......

OH I KNOW GUYS, we are in a matrix lol im jk

 

[raul]

I cant beleive that we are alone in the universe. Maybe we are the only creatures like us and their are other human like creatures out their but we are not alone. I've read books where if you look at the beach, each grain of sand is a universe, if that is true, we have alot of exploring to do.

 

[mcpon]

Aliens

My friend once told my other friend this- I believe that aliens exist. But they do not have anything to do with me so therefore I do not care if they exist. I can believe that they exist while also believing in God. I already know what plan God has for me. If aliens exist then God probably has plans for them also. He is not only master of our world, but other worlds too, if they exist. As far as I know, if there is a plan for them, then it does not effect me in any way. God wants us to concentrate on Him not on worrying about higher beings and if they exist. God does not belong with worldly beings, no matter how otherworldly other beings in other planets might be. My faith is strong enough to know that what we call God is not, in actuality, something concocted from aliens. God is a distinct individual who created all all life forms, worlds, etc. out there and, as far as I know of how far His love extends- at the least it extends throughout our world, but I do not know if it extends to other worlds too, but I bet it does.

 

[mcpon]

appendage to previous

I cannot believe that that argument arose from the debate of why the friend, whose argument is transcribed above, had left socks on the other friend's couch?

 

[McFox]

What the hel1 are you talking about? What does the existence of aliens have to do with god? This thread WAS for debating whether or not aliens could exist in our universe. Not for debating whether or not god has a plan for you.

 

[Burning Composer]

I believe that we are not alone in the Universe. As it has no dobt been said over and over again, it wouldn't make sense that an infinite Universe would only hold 1 planet that has life on it.

 

[CozaMonkey]

I know this doesn't exactly fit with the topic, but what if we sent a whole bunch of organic material to Mars, or any other planet. Then we just left it there to perhaps begin life on that planet.

That would be one interesting experiment. I don't know too much about biology, etc. but I think it would be cool to just see what new species of life would arouse eventually due to evolution on a completely different planet.

 

[CStick]

There are billions of stars and planets in a galaxy, and billions of galaxies in the universe......

Even if we aren't alone, the chance of two intelligent organisms actually establishing contact with each other, even in a billion years from now, is still highly unlikely.....

 

[McFox]

Originally posted by CStick
Even if we aren't alone, the chance of two intelligent organisms actually establishing contact with each other, even in a billion years from now, is still highly unlikely.....

1) Do you know how far we've advanced in the last 200 years alone? I'm not saying we'll establish contact tomorrow, but do you have any idea how long a billion years are? The dinosaurs hadn't even evolved yet a billion years ago. Not even close.

2) We don't have to travel to establish contact. Read about what's going on as far as establishment of intelligent life here. Here are a few excerts for your reading enjoyment.

This was not a wild-eyed search for the type of "aliens" that routinely turn up in supermarket tabloids. It was a careful examination of space around us. In fact, HRMS was designed to just "listen;" no signals were transmitted.

We already know that the sky is filled with radio energy. But Project Phoenix will also be listening for non-natural sources. Scientists have determined that the radio portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is one of the best places to search for signs of extra-terrestrial life. Radio waves, especially at some frequencies, appear much more powerful compared to the natural background of the sky. Visible light signals would have to be extremely strong at their source in order to be detected over even short distances. After all, stars are huge balls of glowing gas but none, except our own Sun, is even bright enough to cast a shadow.

Radio signals can travel through dust and gas clouds that would block out or scatter visible light. But this does not mean that our radio and television broadcasts would be detectable by an alien civilization or that we can expect to eavesdrop on their equivalent of soap operas or athletic shoe advertisements. Our radio, TV and radar transmitters send energy out in all directions. The signals get weaker as they get farther and farther from the transmitter.

The signal would be able to travel at the speed of light for many years. Of course, in order for their beacon to be detected, someone would have to be searching.

Searching is exactly what Project Phoenix will be doing. Using radio telescopes, the entire sky will be scanned. Unexpected or unusual signals will automatically be extracted from the data by computer. Scientists will then examine that data. If something intriguing turns up, a more detailed examination can be made.

If there is intelligent life out there (and it's most likely that there is), we will find it eventually. And it won't take a billion years.

 

[CStick]

Yea, too high of a number.......

But still, highly unlikely for a good time........

You know that there are other creatures far away wondering the same thing, too....

 

[mcpon]

Reply

I apologize for going off topic when I talked about God in this aliens topic. I just came at this debate from a different perspective. I was just trying to diversify the rhetoric I was reading from people. Thanks for hearing me out.

 

[chapdrum]

Besides God, angles, Satan, and demons, we are alone in this huge universe. The first one of you that meats an alien, tell me.

 

[McFox]

Chapdrum, the Debate Hall is for intelligent debates. You have no proof for any of your claim. On this forum, you are considered false until proven true.

 

[snex]

Besides God, angles, Satan, and demons, we are alone in this huge universe. The first one of you that meats an alien, tell me.

the moment you get proof of that statement, tell me.

edit: **** you mcfox and your fast typing. =P

 

[David Kirk]

Originally posted by chapdrum
Besides God, angles, Satan, and demons, we are alone in this huge universe. The first one of you that meats an alien, tell me.

Your first sentence just kind of made me laugh.

I still do not understand why you spell "meet" with an "a."

 

[MasterFoot]

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/spinxl.html

Weather it be viable or not, i think it something to wonder about. These facts my or may not be true, however if they are true there is no way the Ancient Egyptions would have known how to construct something of that accuracy. If these are all just coincedences, then i suppose anything can happen in this universe (I.E aliens.) But thats not my argument. My argument is that aliens could very well exist due to the great pyramids complexity. If you remove the /spinxl.html from the address you will be taker here: http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ It also has alot of more good points about this situation.

 

[McFox]

You can link to stuff, I can link to stuff.

Check it out.

 

[pokemonmaster01]

Mmmm, alien meat.

Originally posted by chapdrum
Besides God, angles, Satan, and demons, we are alone in this huge universe. The first one of you that meats an alien, tell me.

Pfft. Nobody believes in angles anymore. Math class is bull. Take your pythagorean voodoo elsewhere.

 

[GrabfestBowser]

I'll keep this short as possible.

I believe we are NOT alone in the universe... it takes way too much ignorance to believe otherwise.

I took a physics class two semesters ago on Space, Time, and Matter, I used to talk to the professor a lot about everything, asked him his opinion on the subject, he thinks there ARE aliens out there, but he managed to tell me that as far as physicists are concerned there is NO WAY that aliens could have ever BEEN to our planet. He says that it isn't possible for a species to evolve, and HAVE THE TIME TO TRAVEL to earth in the duration of 12.5 billion years or whatever it has been. We can see way out into space, of course not super far, but as far as we can see, it is not possible for another form of life to reach us through space travel. Since time travel is not - and never will be - a possibility, he doesn't see it happening.

Luke

 

[Bowser87]

Originally posted by GrabfestBowser
I took a physics class two semesters ago on Space, Time, and Matter, I used to talk to the professor a lot about everything, asked him his opinion on the subject, he thinks there ARE aliens out there, but he managed to tell me that as far as physicists are concerned there is NO WAY that aliens could have ever BEEN to our planet. He says that it isn't possible for a species to evolve, and HAVE THE TIME TO TRAVEL to earth in the duration of 12.5 billion years or whatever it has been. We can see way out into space, of course not super far, but as far as we can see, it is not possible for another form of life to reach us through space travel. Since time travel is not - and never will be - a possibility, he doesn't see it happening.

It could be possible, if those aliens lived on a planet orbiting around a star in our neighbourhood, they would only need space ships. But if there was an advanced alien civilization close to us, we would have detected it.

This debate is going nowhere. It's not even a debate. Everybody thinks there are aliens somewhere and that we can't prove it.