Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[MintyFlesh]

the up-b stuff on yoshis / picto is gaaaaaaaaay though =(

 

[Shaya]

jab it you scrub.

 

[Reizilla]

Sonic's the only annoying one on slopes.

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

DK's invincible up-B is ****, just jump over it. Sonic's is worse because he can jump out of it, but you should just try to D-tilt him out of it. This gets trickier if he just goes at max velocity. The thing I just do then is run towards him, they'll release and jump over it. Make them think you forget their invincible trick.

 

[Shaya]

just so you know... yes they're invincibility, but the hurtboxes of the moves still exist and they do clash.

Jab will clash with them and then you will most likely have a frame advantage (not entirely sure, but likely you will).

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

I'd rather not time a jab against a Sonic Spindashing at me at full speed, releasing any time he wants to, being able to jump, baiting my jab and then kicking my *** .

 

[Pierce7d]

DK's invincible UpB isn't THAT threatening of a move, but I'd still ban Yoshi's

 

[Shaya]

I'd rather not time a jab against a Sonic Spindashing at me at full speed, releasing any time he wants to, being able to jump, baiting my jab and then kicking my *** .

Sonic isn't -that- fast.

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

Sonic isn't -that- fast.

Your spacing and timing must be incredible, because I surely wouldn't be able to jab Sonic out of his Spindash at full speed. That isn't even my biggest problem with him, it's him jumping out of it, baiting you in your shield/jab.

Good thing I have bans, I guess .

 

[Shaya]

Ally jumped out of the way with a LOT of room to spare.
Snake's jump is one of the slowest.

But remember, 4 frame jab.
From the moment espy started charging to when he dashed under ally, was about a full second, at least.

 

[Pierce7d]

Sonic isn't -that- fast.

Shaya, have you ever played a Sonic?

Sonic IS that fast.

The reason people jump is requires very little timing. You jump, then you're safe.

You jab, and you're open. You don't jab, you're open. I would never try to time something that dumb. Sonic IS that fast.

 

[Nike.]

I hate sonic. He's too fast.

 

[Espy Rose]

I doubt Shaya knows what he's talking about too well if he's saying that Sonic isn't "that" fast.
He totally is.

Doesn't help that Sonic CAN and WILL cancel out of it if the Sonic feels like the opponent will properly time a counter (not downB, just a counter attack).

 

[Nike.]

I know that jabbing iSDR only resets both players at neutral. I don't remember who gets the frame advantage as far as grabs/tilts/etc, but I know that Sonic can simply dash away and avoid counter attack and just restart the iSDR again.

 

[MintyFlesh]

DK's invincible UpB isn't THAT threatening of a move, but I'd still ban Yoshi's

Ik, but the main reason I stand a chance vs Will is because I get to ledge trap him, the up-b makes it so much harder

 

[Shaya]

I've played against Sonic quite a bit.
If a sonic is "moving towards me" that in my 10 frame or so reaction speed I can jab to at least stop the invincible tirade, whilst also expecting cancels (I don't have to worry about aerials... only shielding) which I can hear the opponent's controller movements for such a thing, I find I'm well equipped.

I'm not saying that you should freely play on YI and lol-marth-*****-sonic-on-it-lolz. But he has reliable means of combating it.

Also, I'm not saying I'm standing right next to sonic at a ledge, more like appropriate positioning under the middle platform. The whole fiasco of it is, is that if you only do defensive movements Sonic is just like lol and goes to the other side of the stage (or goes aerial and flips back to the original place). Dealing with this as Meta Knight is exceedingly difficult in comparison to Marth.

 

[PEACE7]

Sonis is a tough matchup he is everywhere.

 

[Shaya]

See, against Sonic I'd prefer to ban Pictochat because its FD + the lameness.
I still feel Marth has a mu advantage on YI.

In comparison to DK... YI is tricky, but fortunately his up b gimmick is a lot slower to react to (hence jab is a lot more reliable), BUT I'd prefer picto because that much space makes it a lot easier for Marth.

 

[Kuro~]

Quick question about sheild breaker why is it that on full sheild no charge sheild breaker will sometimes break it and sometimes just lower it alot is the actual breaking of the sheild hitbox dependent?

 

[Jim Morrison]

I think a tipper has a lot higher chance of breaking it.

 

[Pierce7d]

Without getting into all the numbers of it:

Shield breaker has a shield damage bonus on it. This occurs REGARDLESS of how much you charge it.

Additionally, the amount of damage done to your shield is based off of the percent damage the move actually does.

A fully charged shield breaker does a lot of damage, PLUS deals bonus damage to shields, but it's JUST not enough to break a full shield.

An uncharged shield breaker will never break a full shield. Keep in mind that when your shield breaks, it restores to roughly half, not full.

 

[Kuro~]

so even on...say GnW a reg sheild breaker CANT break a full sheild? good to know...if i understand u right but more often than not no1 should have a full sheild when fighting marth marth sheild pressure amazing

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

I think it doesn't matter how large the shield of a character is, they all decay at the same rate. It's just that Game and Watch has such a poor size of shield that he's easily poked.

 

[Pierce7d]

Correct. I'm unsure about Yoshi, but all shields have the same amount of health. It's just the shield bubble to hurtbox ratio that makes some characters shields "good" or "bad"

 

[NH Cody]

I hate sonic. He's too fast.

Or maybe you're just too slow

 

[Geenareeno]

Do people know about the treadmill glitch? It's not important at all but I was just wondering. I was playing on a created stage with treadmills and i DB'd the same way as the treadmill was going. I'm not sure if it need to be the last hit of it or whether or not tilting it up or down changes it (I just did red) but when I reached the end of the treadmill I flew off of it super fast and died.

 

[Laurel]

Do people know about the treadmill glitch? It's not important at all but I was just wondering. I was playing on a created stage with treadmills and i DB'd the same way as the treadmill was going. I'm not sure if it need to be the last hit of it or whether or not tilting it up or down changes it (I just did red) but when I reached the end of the treadmill I flew off of it super fast and died.

i love doing that on accident because i forget about it. /sarcasm

 

[PEACE7]

I might sound like a noob for this but I barely know anything about frame data is there a thread or something about it?

 

[Gifts]

I might sound like a noob for this but I barely know anything about frame data is there a thread or something about it?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=204825


And is there any advantage playing with tap jump on with marth?

 

[Reizilla]

Easier up B OoS.

 

[Kuro~]

what % does marths grab release>utilt kill wario? with DI.

 

[Gifts]

what % does marths grab release>utilt kill wario? with DI.

I dunno the answer but why would you u-tilt to kill wario after a grab release? Stutter step backwards f smash

 

[Kuro~]

I dunno the answer but why would you u-tilt to kill wario after a grab release? Stutter step backwards f smash

uh cuz atm i cant do it consistently...

 

[BSP]

Practice makes perfect. Get it down now so it doesn't cost you later.

 

[Shaya]

well............ I've had warios live grab release utilt at like... 150
I've also had the same Wario survive a fresh tipper fsmash out of a grab release at 120.

 

[The Nameless Wanderer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMgbG8xSABE

How do you do the shieldbreaker at 0:39?

 

[Gifts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMgbG8xSABE

How do you do the shieldbreaker at 0:39?

B reversal, slighly hold the anaolog stick in the opposite direction and hit B. Should turn you around and do shield breaker.

 

[dean.]

A B-reversal for neutral-B commands is performed by pressing B then flicking the control stick in the opposite direction of your direction within about 4 frames. Doing a B-reversed Shieldbreaker out of a dash can only be performed after Marth's initial dash animation (the first 17 frames).

 

[Kyoshi123]

Anaky Says:

From throws, whats gurateed on bowser and dk?

I think DK can be fthrow'd > SS backwards > fsmash tipper right? Can he be fthrown twice into fsmash tip?

Also i have no idea about bowser.

 

[C.J.]

I would be shocked if DK couldn't couldn't be fthrown twice
I do it frequently but who I do it to isn't the best of players... so yeah

Boswer you can fthrow fsmash too. You have to wait to fsmash to tip/SS though.