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[Elefterios]

omg trouvé une ****ing job bande de emo paresseux

j'ai une ****ing job Vloses

 

[cF=)]

Just came back to my house.

Wanna give props to everybody who showed up and some with whom I havn't had the chance to play (Sorry Ralph) . I also wanna thanks everybody who gave me a chance to get ***** several times, I'll prolly turn emo because the world is better than I am XD

I hope to come back and have as much fun as I did tonight. Thanks you

 

[ThatGuy]

Thanks guys, it was a great turnout, it wasn't crowded or anything, and we got a lot of good matches (both singles and doubles) in. Good luck Bam and Vwins in Conneticut, hope you got all the practice you needed .

Spoke with Mike, says he'd be down with whatever tournament format we requested to have or if we didn't want any tournies at all. If we want one, it would help to get more playable stations over there. He said he might be able to bring us an extra television, and we could re-arrange the space a bit to make it more convenient for us.

I'm going to request a lift to the next Bi-Weekly, which is on Thursday, January 18th. Reason is because I want to bring my television and leave it there. So anyone feel like lifting ThatGuy, and possiby a couple other people to make it worth the trouble?

Sorry for kneeing you like that Vwins. Hope I didn't leave any regrets. It was the funniest thing all night, though :D I promise I won't do that if we ever teamed in a tournament

I think these Bi-weeklies have been, so far, a huge success, and I hope it remains that way. I've noticed that myself and a lot of other people have been improving a lot since they've started :D

Oh, as far as the Gamersworld rankings though, if/when they start, I'll add them to the first page of this thread.

By the way, it's up to us to decide how things work over there, ruleset-wise and schedule wise. So I suggest we get a static ruleset that we can all agree on. Oh, and we need to decide how rankings will work and how we will be rated (Win/loss ratio? All start with a certain amount of points and adjust them up or down based on opponent? We need a good formula to work with).

Let the ideas fly, guys! Me and Agora will be keeping in touch with the store manager so we can keep him updated.

 

[Vwins]

j'ai une ****ing job Vloses

lol c juste 5 piace c quoi tu fou avec ton cash dabord

 

[BigRick]

Elef has a drug addiction... je le sais pcq c lui ki paie indirectement mon entrée pour le biweekly >_>

Le biweekly cétait du good ****, shoutout a tout le monde ki était la, cétait fun. Les HH sont trop good, bonne chance a CT les boyz.

For the GW rankings we should use a skill rating system for non competitive gamers it kinda looks like this:

-every1 starts with a set number of points, like 2000
-when you win, you get points... when you lose, you lose points
-if you win against sum1 with lots of points, you get lots of points... winning against a n00b like me with few points gives you few points
-lose against me will make you lose plenty of points, so dont sandbag son... but if I lose to Vwins, I wouldn't lose too many points, cause V wins alot ya dig?

 

[temporaryralp]

Just came back to my house.

Wanna give props to everybody who showed up and some with whom I havn't had the chance to play (Sorry Ralph) . I also wanna thanks everybody who gave me a chance to get ***** several times, I'll prolly turn emo because the world is better than I am XD

I hope to come back and have as much fun as I did tonight. Thanks you

np bro, sorry for mxing up ur naime lol
tho i thought we've played in a ffa right?

 

[ThatGuy]

Yeah that's exactly what I figured Rick. Thing is how will we make the point up/down ratio work? We need a mathematical formula for that. Who's up for volunteering?

 

[Agora]

I believe this is the rating system detailed here.
Here are the details, if we want to go onward with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELO_rating_system

 

[Jarc]

Good luck Bam and Vwins in Conneticut, hope you got all the practice you needed .

@$$WHOLE.
10c

 

[Elefterios]

Elef has a drug addiction... je le sais pcq c lui ki paie indirectement mon entrée pour le biweekly >_>

i take droogs cus it makes me a better smash player. but like it never leaves me enuff money to put it in good use.

this is smash. not wifi tetris ds. lose the point system.

 

[cF=)]

I believe this is the rating system detailed here.
Here are the details, if we want to go onward with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELO_rating_system

I've already played chess on a few internet related websites and this system is too good.

Only issue I see is being able to calculate every single players ELO rating after each biweeklies if we don't have any computer program. This is what I'm searching on the internet right now.

EDIT: Nevermind, you can easily get a program called Chess Calculator 0.7 (freeware) which has correct K-factors for his calculus and his easy of use. I'll post a FAQ (w/ pictures) if needed to help everybody understand how this program works.

 

[JustaPnoy]

WOW

-lol VLoses.
-elef get off the drugs and play me.
-i like the idea of the point system.
-and stuffz..

 

[Vwins]

ouin jdevrais être la au prochain bi-weekly jprend des MM 2v1

 

[ThatGuy]

Don't accept! I witnessed first hand Vwin's Marth beating both Pow AND Bam's Roy in a 2v1, legit match!

 

[Jarc]

J'vais etre le capitaine de l'equipe de Chet + Bam, fak si ils te battent c'est moi qui recupere l'argent, c'est good?

 

[Damax]

Chet'll never show, but me and bam will **** him Falco and Bowser styled!

 

[Jarc]

And I keep the money ;D.

 

[cF=)]

So, where is the discussion about bringing a rating system to the bi-weeklies ? We have the material, we have the players, we have knowledge about the subject... We simply need an agreement from the rest of the community ?

I vote for a yes, ELO rating system could be a way to really check a player's skill level. It could even replace, imo, the current power ranking system we use right now because it makes no judgement, simply calculate based on who played who with correct statistical probabilities.

 

[Deleted member]

Just have a longest wang contest, don't you know that **** size is directly related to skill in Smash?

 

[BigRick]

I think that we could use a ELO rating system for the GW rankings, but these should not replace the eastern canada power rankings. The GW rankings could be kept on track on this thread, and have a minor influence on the EC power ranking (could act as a tiebraker between 2 Mtl-area smashers maybe?)

EDIT: zomg at Del's post, I would win that thing, no problem... CPDF!

 

[Deleted member]

It'd be easy. See, let's do it mathematically.

let jarcwangsize=1;
let chetwangsize=10;
if(chetwangsize>jarcwangsize)
{
RankAccordingly();
}
else if(jarc == gay)
{
DoNothing();
}

 

[ThatGuy]

We already agreed that Gamersworld has NOTHING to do with the EC power rankings. It isn't treated as a competitive outlet, just more like a practice session than anything.

That ELO system looks pretty well, but I'm still waiting for cF to show us that program

 

[Damax]

I think that we could use a ELO rating system for the GW rankings, but these should not replace the eastern canada power rankings. The GW rankings could be kept on track on this thread, and have a minor influence on the EC power ranking (could act as a tiebraker between 2 Mtl-area smashers maybe?)

EDIT: zomg at Del's post, I would win that thing, no problem... CPDF!

no, I disagree, it shouldn't be mixxed at all, I'll still use bowser, do freeforalls and do teams with kirby, it won't ever be near as serious as any tournaments

 

[cF=)]

We already agreed that Gamersworld has NOTHING to do with the EC power rankings.

and have a minor influence on the EC power ranking (could act as a tiebraker between 2 Mtl-area smashers maybe?)

no, I disagree, it shouldn't be mixxed at all, I'll still use bowser, do freeforalls and do teams with kirby, it won't ever be near as serious as any tournaments

I guess my post was misunderstood. I never said GW's matches should be taken in account for the EC power ranking, but rather that the ELO system is so good, we should use it maybe during tournament and base our power ranking on it.

Instead of using our own judgement to classify people's skill according to who finish first at X tourney, perhaps it would be smarter to in fact, use this statistical logistic and base our rankings on numbers that signifies something.

 

[ThatGuy]

Yeah, but the difference is location. Not everyone can make every single tournament held in EC Canada. Heck, there's a Mississauga tourney being held on the 6th, the only ranked players are Delorted and Bread. Bam, Vwins, and Jih (not gonna mention Jarc because he's unranked ATM but might be up there soon!) are going to Conneticut. Whether there will be any effect or not on the PR, I don't know.

I personally prefer the panel instead of the ELO when the regional PR comes in. But for Gamersworld, the ELO system sounds pretty good.

 

[cF=)]

No matter how it ends up, here's a quick guide to use the incredible ELO calculator (everything explained in english, because the french wikipedia link sucked).

#1. What is ELO

¬ The ELO rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player games.

#2. How does it work

¬ Élo's central assumption was that the Smash Bros. performance of each player in each game is a normally distributed random variable. Although a player might perform significantly better or worse from one game to the next, Élo assumed that the mean value of the performances of any given player changes only slowly over time. Élo thought of a player's true skill as the mean of that player's performance random variable.

A further assumption is necessary, because Smash Bros. performance in the above sense is still not measurable. One cannot look at a sequence of moves and say, That performance is 2039. Performance can only be inferred from wins, draws and losses. Therefore, if a player wins a game, he is assumed to have performed at a higher level than his opponent for that game. Conversely if he loses, he is assumed to have performed at a lower level. If the game is a draw, the two players are assumed to have performed at nearly the same level.

#3. What does a X number mean

¬ Generally, here is how you should interpret those numbers ;

1000 is the rank of a beginner knowing the gameplay.
1200 is the rank of a casual player.
1600 is the rank of an average player.
2000 is a strong player's ranking.
2400 is a really strong player's ranking
2500 is the ranking of an international competitor.
2800 is, basicly, the rank of an all-time world champion.

Note that all these numbers are taken from a Chess point of view. We might see people breaking the 2800's mark or, perhaps, nobody being able to reach it.

#4. How will we be able to calculate those rankings

¬ This part is dedicated to the Chess Calulator 0.70. If you don't have this freeware, immediately go download it, or I shall kill a kitten.

I shall skip the installation process, because pretty much anybody posting here have basic knowledge of how it works.

a) So first step is, enter your OWN ranking in the designated space.

b) Then, enter the number of opponents you've played.

c) Then go in the section below to write the rating of all the opponents you've played.

d) Afterward, enter the result of your matches according : Win = 1, Loss = 0
ex : I've played 8 matches, won 5. Therefore, my result is 5.

e) Click on the correct K factor.
Players with less than 30 rated games -> K factor of 25 used
Players below 2400 -> K factor of 15 used
Players at or above 2400 -> K factor of 10 used

THERE YOU GO, A COMPLETE ELO FAQ.

 

[Damax]

No matter how it ends up, here's a quick guide to use the incredible ELO calculator (everything explained in english, because the french wikipedia link sucked).

#1. What is ELO

¬ The ELO rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player games.

#2. How does it work

¬ Élo's central assumption was that the Smash Bros. performance of each player in each game is a normally distributed random variable. Although a player might perform significantly better or worse from one game to the next, Élo assumed that the mean value of the performances of any given player changes only slowly over time. Élo thought of a player's true skill as the mean of that player's performance random variable.

A further assumption is necessary, because Smash Bros. performance in the above sense is still not measurable. One cannot look at a sequence of moves and say, That performance is 2039. Performance can only be inferred from wins, draws and losses. Therefore, if a player wins a game, he is assumed to have performed at a higher level than his opponent for that game. Conversely if he loses, he is assumed to have performed at a lower level. If the game is a draw, the two players are assumed to have performed at nearly the same level.

#3. What does a X number mean

¬ Generally, here is how you should interpret those numbers ;

1000 is the rank of a beginner knowing the gameplay.
1200 is the rank of a casual player.
1600 is the rank of an average player.
2000 is a strong player's ranking.
2400 is a really strong player's ranking
2500 is the ranking of an international competitor.
2800 is, basicly, the rank of an all-time world champion.

Note that all these numbers are taken from a Chess point of view. We might see people breaking the 2800's mark or, perhaps, nobody being able to reach it.

#4. How will we be able to calculate those rankings

¬ This part is dedicated to the Chess Calulator 0.70. If you don't have this freeware, immediately go download it, or I shall kill a kitten.

I shall skip the installation process, because pretty much anybody posting here have basic knowledge of how it works.

a) So first step is, enter your OWN ranking in the designated space.

b) Then, enter the number of opponents you've played.

c) Then go in the section below to write the rating of all the opponents you've played.

d) Afterward, enter the result of your matches according : Win = 1, Loss = 0
ex : I've played 8 matches, won 5. Therefore, my result is 5.

e) Click on the correct K factor.
Players with less than 30 rated games -> K factor of 25 used
Players below 2400 -> K factor of 15 used
Players at or above 2400 -> K factor of 10 used

THERE YOU GO, A COMPLETE ELO FAQ.

This will fail cause everybody won't care to go so serious, Team battles and free for all will still pwns. I recall doing only one duel during the last biweeklie I went, just like every one else that was there.

 

[ThatGuy]

Actually the last Bi-weekly it wasn't so bad and we got a lot of 1v1's in, moreso than 2v2 actually.

Plus we can bring more TV's to help out.

And Pow, no one has to go serious, but it could help people improve if they treat it like a tourney, because then everyone will be trying their best.

And so far I'm liking this ELO system, anyone else not happy with it?

@RaIph: I'm not changing the days because you already knew the bi-weeklies were happening on Wednesday/Thursday, you should have scheduled around that. I now have school at Abbott until 5:30 Wednesday and Thursday, then a 1 1/2 hour trip to the Biweeklies, because I had no choice. Tough luck for me.

 

[Damax]

Actually the last Bi-weekly it wasn't so bad and we got a lot of 1v1's in, moreso than 2v2 actually.

Plus we can bring more TV's to help out.

And Pow, no one has to go serious, but it could help people improve if they treat it like a tourney, because then everyone will be trying their best.

And so far I'm liking this ELO system, anyone else not happy with it?

@RaIph: I'm not changing the days because you already knew the bi-weeklies were happening on Wednesday/Thursday, you should have scheduled around that. I now have school at Abbott until 5:30 Wednesday and Thursday, then a 1 1/2 hour trip to the Biweeklies, because I had no choice. Tough luck for me.

If double kirby with rick works, it might means you guys should need to go a bit more serious. But does being serious > fun, I doubt. Anyway you can go serious, I'll still play bowser for my pleasure and end where I was. except you jarc you'll never meet my bowser. bowser vs jiggly is 0 fun

 

[ThatGuy]

If being serious wasn't fun, why would we go to tournaments? It's fun for me at least, I like the challenge.

 

[cF=)]

If double kirby with rick works, it might means you guys should need to go a bit more serious. But does being serious > fun, I doubt. Anyway you can go serious, I'll still play bowser for my pleasure and end where I was. except you jarc you'll never meet my bowser. bowser vs jiggly is 0 fun

L'objectif d'un ranking avec le systeme ELO c'est vraiment juste pour que le monde decide de faire des matchs serieux de temps à autres. Moi, serieusement, je trouve que les bi-weeklies c'est le fun pour pratiquer mais aussi pour voir si nos mains charcters on une chance contre telle ou telle personne.

En gros, sque jvoudrais voir, c'est du monde qui decide de dire "Bon, on prend un nombre X de match serieux, et avec ca, on calcul un peu notre force comparer aux autres". C'est une bonne strategie selon moi parce que les smashers ayant environs les meme ranks vont pouvoir s'affronter dans des bon matchs, et en plus, on va voir une certaine rivalité s'installer justement entre les personnes qui se dispute les titres de leur categorie.

C'est pas obliger de virer en grosse soirée ou tout le monde fait juste des duels, et c'est pas necessairement tous les matchs qui vont devoir compter pour le ranking, mais me semble que ca serait plaisant de savoir à quel niveau on se situe si on est pas assez chanceux pour faire parti du top 15 Quebec/Ontario. Les match Bowser vs Pichu vont encore exister et meme les match Random vs Random, puisque les bi-weeklies c'est fait justement pour avoir du plaisir contre du monde competitif en dehors des tournois.

Au pire, si ca vire en gros flop, ben on abolie le tout et et recommence à neuf. J'trouve que ca veut la peine par contre d'essayer et de voir ou est-ce que sa nous mene.

 

[chesterr01]

Yeah, but the difference is location. Not everyone can make every single tournament held in EC Canada.

I'll sound mean, but people that can't make it to at least 1 out of 3 tournaments outside their city shouldn't even be considered on PRs or random rankings or anything. That's just my opinion.

Aside from that, I think the ELO system will fail. Some people won't take it seriously, others will. Some people won't give a ****, as for some others will challenge people with higher ratings and slowly start to snob people with lower ratings. Also, it seems to be quite a hassle to work with. That's just my opinion, once again.

 

[cF=)]

Aside from that, I think the ELO system will fail. Some people won't take it seriously, others will. Some people won't give a ****, as for some others will challenge people with higher ratings and slowly start to snob people with lower ratings. Also, it seems to be quite a hassle to work with. That's just my opinion, once again.

But as I say again, not every match has to be taken seriously. This system as everything to success, we just need everybody to make sure they understand and there you go, we have the perfect ranking system.

And please, the snobbing issue is something we always have to face in every other sport on Earth. Noobs will start snobbing if they beat you on Icicle Moutain even though there's no ranking system up, that's just how they act and piss other players off. So don't tell me ELO will change something about how those *****es behave.

Finally, no it's not a pain in the *** to make it work. Everybody just have to read my article about what is an ELO system and download the program. Afterward, you write down on a sheet of paper the matches you've won, the one you've lost and the ranking on the players with whom you've played. THAT'S ALL !

 

[Damax]

But as I say again, not every match has to be taken seriously. This system as everything to success, we just need everybody to make sure they understand and there you go, we have the perfect ranking system.

And please, the snobbing issue is something we always have to face in every other sport on Earth. Noobs will start snobbing if they beat you on Icicle Moutain even though there's no ranking system up, that's just how they act and piss other players off. So don't tell me ELO will change something about how those *****es behave.

Finally, no it's not a pain in the *** to make it work. Everybody just have to read my article about what is an ELO system and download the program. Afterward, you write down on a sheet of paper the matches you've won, the one you've lost and the ranking on the players with whom you've played. THAT'S ALL !

I'll have to keep track of my win/lose? I swear that a random computer taking the result would be better. I care little about "ranking actually" so I wonder why I should "worrry and note" **** about it. I'd rather have everyone else get in the results. like they lost to me, they won to me wathever.

 

[Agora]

Why not just use the ELO system during the GW tournies and Rankings...?
Everyone there will naturally be playing seriously and will play a lot of different players. Plus I'd bet we'll all have a clear record of who Won/Lost against who, so we could enter our own stats in the software.

 

[Damax]

Why not just use the ELO system during the GW tournies and Rankings...?
Everyone there will naturally be playing seriously and will play a lot of different players. Plus I'd bet we'll all have a clear record of who Won/Lost against who, so we could enter our own stats in the software.

Lv up! but I guess we'll count 2-1, 2-0, unless we don't have the time to do 2out of threes

 

[Jarc]

Pow, if you don't care about this ranking, just don't be a part of it. Other players that wanna see their difference in skill levels with other players can use it if they please. It's not a complicated system at all, plus it's precise enough to be counted on.

One extra rule should be decay. Like if someone decided to mass game one day and gets up to 2800 points of something then just decideds to not come ever again cuz he's #1 or something, should be penelized for not playing rating matches.

This method is kind of like the Starcraft ladder. When you want to play real games, you find an opponant, play the game, be concentrated and play to win (1v1 LT Gosu only). The winner gets a rating, the end. If you wanna play for fun, just do it (1v1 BB NR20).

I hope this helped.


...
It probably didn't.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope this helped.


...
It probably didn't.

Alls I know is I got a hard-on...from that post.

Starcraft analogies ftw

"Taking drugs is kinda like using stimpacks on Marines, your health gets pwnd but you feel good and can take on an army of hydralisks"

 

[BigRick]

How about: ''A plumber is like an SCV, one scratches his *** while the other picks his nose''

And for the ranking thing, I wouldn't like to keep track of my W/L's. I would rather like to report the outcome to the cpu or sum1 and have everything done magically.

 

[ThatGuy]

Jeez guys that can be done pretty easily, hell I think even I could code a program like that lol.