Game and Watch Video Thread

[melon_bread]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmA73AV8_pM&feature=player_detailpage#t=479s

Request for some critique from the masters, plz.

Apologies for the horrible microphone. I've been meaning to replace that thing for a while.

 

[The Phenom]

A strength I didn't see in the video that was missing is bating(my opinion). Without a decent existence of one, results in a less rounded player; I won't go here. Your type of bating game. Just identify your bating game from the video; it is obvious what type you have.

You bate by throwing out attacks making you seem vulnerable(plenty). This already makes it obvious to them right away.
-Although don't count this obvious bating game out ever.

I saw you tech fox's down B more than three times, that is pretty technical. Try learning jab reset. The technique of "Jab Reseting" can serve as a addition to the "Bating Game". Jab reset are multiple jabs that you can wavedash in or back, jump out, and or continue with another attack.
-When you compare the differences of being able to wavedash in/out/etc. other action from a Dtilt/Ftilt/btilt/Utilt to jab reset, you see how jab reset can be used more. It is less risk on you feeling vulnerable, and they see that you are not bating them with what you think you only can, vulnerability.

How to learn jab reset proficiently:
It is kinda like producing a smash attack, you press A and Smash the stick to the side simultaneously.
-Right when you press A, that is when the stick should already be hitting either side diagonally downwards.

^^Test the differences of jabbing when you just keep pressing A to repeatedly jab. There is lag on cool down and after one of the jabs there is a empty hitbox for a jab. Jab reset is the first jab repeated and rapidly.

-Nice sausages.

 

[It's me Q]

How to learn jab reset proficiently:
It is kinda like producing a smash attack, you press A and Smash the stick to the side simultaneously.
-Right when you press A, that is when the stick should already be hitting either side diagonally downwards.

^^Test the differences of jabbing when you just keep pressing A to repeatedly jab. There is lag on cool down and after one of the jabs there is a empty hitbox for a jab. Jab reset is the first jab repeated and rapidly.

-Nice sausages.

Eh what's this why can't you just press the first jab, wait for it to end and repeat? Surely pressing forward/back is going to increase chances of messing up and tilting/smashing instead

 

[Oracle]

Phenom if you're talking about the technique that lets you jab while crouching, all you have to do is hold down back and time the jabs right. Otherwise i have no idea what you're talking about

 

[The Phenom]

Eh what's this why can't you just press the first jab, wait for it to end and repeat? Surely pressing forward/back is going to increase chances of messing up and tilting/smashing instead

I've found it better done this way. I feel like I can produce faster jabs together. Pressing A alone doesn't feel right for me.

Phenom if you're talking about the technique that lets you jab while crouching, all you have to do is hold down back and time the jabs right. Otherwise i have no idea what you're talking about

That is what I mean.

 

[Oracle]

IIRC the crouch will come out during the iasa frames from holding down back, however pressing a while holding that direction makes the first jab come out. Thats how you cc jan or input fast jabs without the string happening (samus does it well)

 

[LiteralGrill]

Alright! Enjoy my hard work on the thread, more to come soon!

 

[QERB]

have some new vids from a tourney last night (4/4)

The Moon (Marth): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMajdpoMUbc
dizkidboogie (Ic's): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVWqmo3zFP4
Swedish (sheik): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6vMbz6jEpg
Worm Wizard (Marth): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTQz_ZwMQ4

 

[Game 'n' Watch]

have some new vids from a tourney last night (4/4)

The Moon (Marth): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMajdpoMUbc
dizkidboogie (Ic's): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVWqmo3zFP4
Swedish (sheik): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6vMbz6jEpg
Worm Wizard (Marth): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTQz_ZwMQ4

Love the finish to The Moon set, good stuff!

 

[QERB]

vids from SSS east coast (4/27/14)

winners semis: Chain-ace (falco)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4gnIpx9hbo

winners finals: inui (sheik)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFU6ol2b7_o

grand finals: inui (sheik)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cZ8M-raLOs

 

[rikochet]

qerb, you are my g&W hero

 

[LiteralGrill]

Got all of those vids added QERB!

 

[QERB]

got some moar vids

vs tecnine (Falco): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xox2iD6_Yk

vs emukiller (marth): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRX6_hiatVg

vs teczer0 (peach): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j4Y6kkGnqk

vs Zero (fox): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FNM6X1yMwc

 

[LiteralGrill]

got some moar vids

Added to the OP! Man that set vs Zero was so close...

 

[QERB]

Thanks mate. Yeah that game 3 vs Zero is gonna haunt me for a while. I'll get em next time!

 

[Jim Morrison]

NOOOOOOOOO QERB GAME 3 NOOOOOOOOOOO

That's a heartbreaker... Thanks for those vids, glad to see new stuff from good G&W's!

 

[QERB]

just uploaded a new combo video! made a separate thread for it, but figured i'd post it here as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IsVX-3ZsFU&feature=youtu.be

 

[Jim Morrison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcGPGXu-PYo
It's not actually a G&W vid, but my G&W is featured in here. It was a 1-stock tournament and I was facing Amsah, the Sheik from the Netherlands at 0:50

Needless to say, I was hyped out of my mind after this :D

 

[The Phenom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcGPGXu-PYo
It's not actually a G&W vid, but my G&W is featured in here. It was a 1-stock tournament and I was facing Amsah, the Sheik from the Netherlands at 0:50

Needless to say, I was hyped out of my mind after this :D

That was si ck dude, mindgamey', nice jabs too. You won't believe this but woke up thinking about amsah...that glorious moment he had vs the marth.

Keep it up bro

 

[GCS Gaming Customs]

I should have some videos up for critique this weekend.. Keep an eye out! I have been doing lots of studying of qerb and phenom, and I look forward from advice from you guys!

 

[GCS Gaming Customs]

http://www.twitch.tv/smasheville/b/603911464

starts at 2:12:30 (may take a while to load to leave it open)

I am looking for recommendations in the neutral, and better ways to approach the MU

 

[felipe_9595]

Lightshield is your friend. That matchup is incredibly one sided and you did pretty well considering everything. I Suggest you to incorporate some bacon in your neutral (Rapidly throwing 4 bacons works really well, despite its lag) and lightshielding , you dont have a shield after all.

Btw i placed decently at a big tournament here in chile, this is one of my sets :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTxZ07bMec

 

[GCS Gaming Customs]

After watching your match, you haven't used any utilts to stop falcons approaches. I believe utilt beats every single of his approaches. You use dtilt a lot, but the problem is that falcon is usually right above the hitbox. Look at 7:55.. you should have utilt instead of dtilt, but you got stomped instead

Knowing this, mix up your approaches and defense options incorporating utilt (and jabs are also a less laggy option for an opponent in front of you) just adding these two moves to your character will allow so many more possibilities to pressure your opponent and make them make a mistake.

Otherwise, your combos were on point, your air game and understanding of fair was really great. Keep it up!

 

[felipe_9595]

After watching your match, you haven't used any utilts to stop falcons approaches. I believe utilt beats every single of his approaches. You use dtilt a lot, but the problem is that falcon is usually right above the hitbox. Look at 7:55.. you should have utilt instead of dtilt, but you got stomped instead

Knowing this, mix up your approaches and defense options incorporating utilt (and jabs are also a less laggy option for an opponent in front of you) just adding these two moves to your character will allow so many more possibilities to pressure your opponent and make them make a mistake.

Otherwise, your combos were on point, your air game and understanding of fair was really great. Keep it up!

Hahaha yeah i kinda forget of Utilt, i am more of a P:M G&W main (top 8 here in Chile : D) so i kinda forget to do stuff or that other things dont work (Like, for example there were a lot of times were i went for Usmash trying to Dacus or Doing up B out of nowhere hahaha)

 

[The Phenom]

GCS, i just viewed the marth/fox matches.

vs. both of them you should attempt recovery by tossing a sausage where they can wavedash grab ledge/pc-grab ledge. if your hit out far. Learn to read if they are trying to grab the ledge before you can to throw a sausage on side of ledge.
recommend these videos:

lightshield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjt4rKqvRck
-your falcon control looks like it doesn't have a spring on the L-trigger GOOD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlLKj6T47KQ
-most g&ws suck at rapid pan/sausage.

vs. marth, flow more towards using bair.

 

[GCS Gaming Customs]

GCS, i just viewed the marth/fox matches.

I don't have a spring in the L, wavelands are so much easier that way..

Ill work on rapid bacon. Do you have any neutral specific recommendations? I noticed you used Usmash a lot vs westballz fox... things like that.

 

[The Phenom]

My native reason for no spring is for powershielding. There are two types.

I dash crouch uptilt to close in to fox. Try to approximate when fox turns for dash away. Up-tilt. Rare is my motive to hit with uptilt but if
I do I wavedash into uptilt. For jab I basically do the same.

Type two powershield extends the powershield range.

Let go of hard shield a frame or three before powershield happens. Next frame, hold lightshield for a frame. You'll still have your guardoff capability for jab oos.

 

[GCS Gaming Customs]

My native reason for no spring is for powershielding. There are two types.

I dash crouch uptilt to close in to fox. Try to approximate when fox turns for dash away. Up-tilt. Rare is my motive to hit with uptilt but if
I do I wavedash into uptilt. For jab I basically do the same.

Type two powershield extends the powershield range.

Let go of hard shield a frame or three before powershield happens. Next frame, hold lightshield for a frame. You'll still have your guardoff capability for jab oos.

Thanks, I appreciate the suggestions. I would have never thought of that powershield trick. Im going to practice that this weekend. When you talk about Jab oos, do you just mean [shield --> drop shield --> jab --> followup] or is there something Im missing?

FIrst off, I may come across as critical below, but that is just because I am looking for direct/helpful answers, so we can all improve our G&W Game.

Just a few things I wanted to talk about after watching some of your gameplay again, feel free to respond whenever. Im open to discuss and learn from your play, and hopefully get you to think a little

- You seem to use roll more than most G&Ws in nuetral when you are under pressure. Sometimes, I notice you just roll sort of randomly, and you get punished for it.. Is there a reason why?
- My idea would be to use lightshield when you are under pressure, so the opponents attack pushes you away and you can WD oos to reset to neutral.

- As far as ground neutral, you sometimes wait and crouch and try to powershield falcos approach. Are you doing this for practice, or does it have some benefit in nuetral? It seems to just put you under pressure and gives falco an almost guranteed punish if you mess up the power shield or if he gets a poke/grab. After watching your matches, it seems like you get a ton more mileage out of edge canceling and pressuring falco with aerials when he is on the platforms and getting relatively safe dair and fair hits.
*An extra note on this, I feel like rising bair and rising dair (so it cancels) would be good options to catch falco in nuetral when he SHs. I will try this out myself this weekend.

BTW, I am referencing this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_EjTSZkEs

This is all for now. I just recently picked up G&W again, and I aim to be one of the best. I live in NC, so I may never see you or Qerb around.. but I hope to play you guys one day!

 

[The Phenom]

those matches were from a training session.

i solely did rolls for
-resemblance of a closer pace to that of the fox match up. lightshielding takes away from fox meta aspect.
-experimenting platformslideoffs from shine/dair shine/dair.
-occasionally i did try to use it legitimately how it was intended. center of stage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5MM-n2j86s
and now more reason too:
http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2rkczd/light_powershield_possibly_new_technique/

 

[QERB]

I've had a lot of videos uploaded since my last post here, so I'm gonna post as many as I can remember since then. I'll order them by character matchup to make it less confusing:

Falco:
(vs. Zanguzen)
(vs. Chain-Ace)
(vs. Son2)
(vs. Prison Mike)
(vs. StricNYN3)

Marth:
(vs. C!Z)
(vs. The Moon)

Sheik:
(vs. Tian)
(vs. Swedish Delight)
(vs. DJN)
(vs. Zofrea)
(vs. Jsex)
(vs. Alukard) [Samus, Falco, Sheik]

Fox:
(vs. Eggm)
(vs. Icer)
(vs. Ko$a)
(vs. Overflow)
(vs. GP)

IC's:
(vs. Frycook 1)
(vs. Frycook 2)
(vs. Dizzkidboogie 1)
(vs. Dizzkidboogie 2)
(vs. Dizzkidboogie 3)
(vs. Dizzkidboogie 4)

Falcon:
(vs. Captain Smuckers)
(vs. Tecnine)

Luigi:
(vs. Abate 1)
(vs. Abate 2)

 

[Jim Morrison]

Awesome, I had nothing to do tomorrow anyway.

 

[T0RN]

I believe the GW has potiential... if there is a player like aMSa but for GW.......

 

[john!]

in the qerb vs. moon match the commentators said it was possible to perfect sweetspot on yoshi story ledge. i've never been able to do it. is it possible?

 

[smoke070]

recent QERB videos:

 

[QERB]

Ty! It was getting hard keeping up with all of my vids as they came along.

 

[GCS Gaming Customs]

Advice of any kind from my G&W brethren would be much appreciated... Ive been practicing more falcon nowadays, so my movement wasnt as crisp as I would have hoped :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PMbJMB5OXE

Specifically, what are different ways to better deal with laser pressure? I did not expect this kind of camping and couldnt deal with it well (on FD)

 

[QERB]

good stuff winning that $$$$$$ first of all. but ok.

On FD it's hardest to approach a campy falco. But when falcos like to spam shl in place i like to go for bucket. Since they're not doing running lasers, they're not mobile/prepared to punish, and having a 2-frame huge hitbox is a great tool to have.

Next is powershield. I know it's hard, but it's not impossible. I noticed you were powershielding some physical hits like an f-smash on YS, so if you can do that, you can powershield lasers too.

Next I would say, if you're about to get lasered, you can jump into the laser, SDI it, and then waveland, this messes up falco's combo off of laser, because he thinks you'll stay stationary where he lasered you last, but you'll actually be a waveland's length away.

Lastly I would say, don't give him so much space. Early/mid game of FD game 1, you would allow him to be more than half stage length away from you, where you can't threaten him. If you can close the gap, you can be more dangerous with potential double-jump approaches. But most of the double jump approaches you were going for were from too far away, giving the falco too much time to react.

For example at 1:56, if you SDI that laser down and away, falco might have whiffed his grab and then you can get a d-tilt or grab punish. That may not be the most perfect example, since the falco did space that laser pretty damn well, but, that's just to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

One more thing I noticed a few times was you were getting hit by get-up attacks. I know sometimes it's hard to just run up and shield because after a certain amount of frames we get shield stabbed by get-up attacks. So you can react to get-up attacks with full jump (to avoid it) and then punish it with d-air.

Nothing else really caught my eye. There were some obvious mistakes here and there but I'm sure you know what those were and I don't need to point them out. Good stufffff

 

[GCS Gaming Customs]

Thanks Qerb! Since I also play falcon, I do need to work on my power shield game.. Ill practice it for sure. Those bad DJ approaches were mostly because I was just desperate and wanted to get in lol.

I've done the SDI laser down before, I just never really thought of it to be used that way.. thanks for pointing it out.

Ill get my combos back on point so I can zero to death falco on final. I like the bucket idea, I think it would be a great way to get falco to just approach you instead of spamming laser so much since it he is charging my bucket doing so

 

[GCS Gaming Customs]

Any thoughts on auto canceled dairs (or if you jump out of the instant dair)? I dont see them used a whole lot by top level G&Ws.. they seem good for retreating and catching an aggressive opponent off guard with a waveland --> grab/dtilt afterwards and for extending combos

 

[QERB]

i like the idea of auto cancel d-air, cuz it looks sweet. however i usually prefer doing a cross-up d-air and actually landing, since g&w can punish the tech chase faster while he's on the ground with react-> wavedash as opposed to him being kinda slow in the air. with platforms that could work situationally, i could see that.