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Avoid the word dumb please. Some may take offense to it. Anyways, I personally would have Falcon, DDD, Kirby and Samus lower [Samus's sole tool is charge shot] and Toon Link + ROB higher. There's others think I'd nitpck but again it's your personal list. No one seems to agree too much when I say ROB is in Luigi's top 5 worst afterall...
Dedede is an amazing match up for Luigi. Being the only character slower in the air than Luigi, you just have to spam fireballs at max range and keep him out with more fireballs. Dedede thrives on punishes with his giant death-mallet, so if you don't give him anything to punish he loses a lot of potency. So camp him, and camp him hard.
My top 5 right now are Mega Man, Villager, Shiek, Rosalina, and I don't really have a 5th match up that makes me start crying. I've played some really solid ROBs though and I definitely see where you're coming from. Marth/Lucina is another match up that's starting to make me cringe. I have definitely been feeling the buffs when they're in the hands of good players. The disjoints and pokes have been much trickier to deal with, and they edge guard Luigi very easily.
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Rob can camp out Luigi, but once Luigi gets in on ROB and grab him(if you can), then ROB's combo-food because of large hurt-box.
King DeDeDe would problemly be lower because the match-up with Luigi and King DeDeDe, its in Luigi's favor. King DeDeDe have more range to keep Luigi out, but once the man in green is in, he's combo food and easy to hit as well since he's large.
Try to avoid double posts and edit your original in the future. But yeah, it is in Luigi's favor. DDD is combo food and Gordos are super easy to reflect. But unlike other heavies, he's super hard to gimp, has the most range of them all I believe...and never, ever dies. At least your're faster than someone in the air, for once! So it's really easy to outspeed DDD on all accounts. I'd probably say 55-45 Luigi
B-air beats SD3J's armor. So you can stage spike him if he decides to recover low. If he manages to recover high for all wrong reasons, never miss the chance to FJP.
Me's comments:+3 (heavy advantage) :
+2 (advantage) :
+1 (light advantage) :
0 (even) :
-1 (light disadvantage) :
-2 (disadvantage) :
-3 (heavy disadvantage) :
IDK or IDC:
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This is my general impression of Weegee's MUs w/o customs. I'm not using + or - 4, because it's a little silly to call a match-up "unloseable."
Edit: I meant to put Yoshi in even. Sorry. I forgot him and added him at the last minute, so I tacked him onto the wrong row.
You mean his broken hurt box? I tried an fire punch when I was right beside him and no dice.
That's a relatively easy matchup, Luigi has a 6.5 3.5 advantage I think
No way, Ive played some really good pacs and it is in no way in luigis favor. He can out camp with fruit and the hydrant it just makes it really tough overall for luigi. Plus he can place the trampoline on the floor to interrupt our grab game.
Captain Falcon: I may have to put him on even MU because he can gimp him with dair, knee, and back air and his up-air has good air speed to use his up-air to out-range Luigi's air attacks. So, the MU is even in my book.+3 (heavy advantage) :
+2 (advantage) :
+1 (light advantage) :
0 (even) :
-1 (light disadvantage) :
-2 (disadvantage) :
-3 (heavy disadvantage) :
IDK or IDC:
Clones:
This is my general impression of Weegee's MUs w/o customs. I'm not using + or - 4, because it's a little silly to call a match-up "unloseable."
Edit: I meant to put Yoshi in even. Sorry. I forgot him and added him at the last minute, so I tacked him onto the wrong row.
Sorry, I want to share my thought of what I think about the MU, but you're right about it being in Luigi's favor though.
Oh, that's really good. Yeah, its easy to sweetspot him with the FJP if ROB makes a error.
When @ Y Yonder said to avoid double posts, I don't think he was suggesting that quadruple posts were fine.....
I actually only put Diddy there, bumping him up from +1, because I remembered ZeRo saying that Luigi wrecked Diddy, or something like that. I don't really trust my own experience, as it's all on FG, so my list is mostly based on the (educated) opinions of others and what I've observed from competitive matches.
I actually tend to agree with that. I wasn't sure, because I felt like Luigi had the slightest advantage, just because it's easier to rack up damage and he has projectiles. But it seems even from what I've seen. I changed it to a slight advantage because @Katakiri on the MK boards put it as 45-55 in his MU spread for MK. It was close to what I thought, and he knows a lot more than me, so I changed it.
I only realized how good flip jump was, for both edge-guarding and recovery, after I made this list.
I had him as that originally, but I wasn't sure. I think you're right.
This is the first one I really disagree with. Mostly because ROB gets owned by every character when they get in, but he makes approach extremely difficult. IDK. I don't have as much experience on this match-up. Also, I rarely land the dair spike, so I usually don't even try, but I guess it would be a lot easier on ROB due to his insane hurt-box. Hmmm.
Trampolines, apples, and hydrants..... It's brutal, trust me. He makes approaching impossible, and edge-guards like crazy. It may seem more like -2 in practice, but Pac-Mains are only getting better at making use of all his tools.
Based on all the posts I've seen from you, I really respect your opinion.
But pac man can't really keep you out much, if you know how to sheild properly. His hydranf also isn't that bad, you can hit it at him with one f smash. Luigi by far beats pac man in nuetral, because luigi can keep throwing fire balls and attacks at him while pac man only has predictable projectiles and a crappy forward air. The only real tool pac man has that is reliable against luigi is a combo breaker.
Because, you know, he totally doesn't have to get in front of the hydrant to make a trampoline. And still, no pac man even does that in the first place.
Just trying to help out and not cause any harm.
I'll have to experience more online when I face more sonic players, but that's useful information though. Do you think the Short hop sex kick and fair also works if timed right?
Starts to seem like trolling at this point.
Imo, I think your disadvantages are almost spot on, forgot TL though on the list I'd put as -1 and Pac Man is probably -2 or -1. I don't think Luigi has a +2 against Falco, Pikachu, Robin or Diddy. More like +1. I think Falcon is even, idk about ZSS being +1 either. Kirby and Mario might be +1. Other than that, good list.+3 (heavy advantage) :
+2 (advantage) :
+1 (light advantage) :
0 (even) :
-1 (light disadvantage) :
-2 (disadvantage) :
-3 (heavy disadvantage) :
IDK or IDC:
Clones:
This is my general impression of Weegee's MUs w/o customs. I'm not using + or - 4, because it's a little silly to call a match-up "unloseable."
Edit: I meant to put Yoshi in even. Sorry. I forgot him and added him at the last minute, so I tacked him onto the wrong row.
(You will never change my opinion of this match up, no matter how hard you try.)
What, no. I mean, I was trying to place my opinion of what I think about the Luigi MU chart that SpottedCerberus has above. If I'm placing any information that misdirection, rude or sounding like I'm trolling, then I apologize.
I play against a man known as red tux TK, and he places in tournament consistently from what I've seen. Mega Man has several good tools against luigi, and the fact that he can safely jump out of his jab away from you at any time is a point off in its own way. It may just seem like annoyance, but he's racking up damage. Also, he can use his down b in the air, getting rid of several options you have. Its also insanely hard to punish Mega Man's patterns.
She has great aerials and 2nd best airspeed, along with five midair jump. Her aerials hits pretty hard and she gimps Luigi really easy. But aside from that, as long as you can keep up with her floatings (Eg. Not jumping around and try to challenge her aerials. Seriously, not worth it), and stay on the ground you'll usually do pretty fine. U-smash head invincibility is great in this fight, and she dies ridiculously early to HooHahNado or N-air (Forget B-air. Cyclone traps her like a what).Haven't seen much discussion (lurker here) of
Looking over some old local stuff, between me and a friend who mains Puff, but other than back throw being back throw, Nado always killed stupid early if he missed or messed up the timing from a grab, if not nado then Uair but yeah, I can get behind doing this, moreso I think Luigi needs to play a punish game when you get down to it, at least in my opinion
1 - Yes.
I have played Burst about same number times, but from what you've said Red Tux is probably the more consistent player. Don't get me wrong, I still think it's a bad MU, I was just trying to show some optimism about the MU, that we at least have a few good tools against Mega Man. One of my friend actually thinks the MU the is in Luigi's favor (which I disagree with), though this person is arguably top 3 in my region so I try value his opinion.
