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It’s also weird that non of the new characters have confirmed costumes. Koopa and Shy Guy have them so not because of them being generic.
Good for you. I never said anyone was wrong in wanting a character.
I am not saying that they should have put Diddy Kong instead of Fishbone, obviously. It is true that the mooks having already a 3D model for the game is a huge gain of time, but still, it must take some time at least: not much by itself, but multiply that by a huge number, and the result becomes significant. It's like the clone/Echoes in Smash: obviously, cutting Dr Mario or Dark Pit in Smash 4 wouldn't have saved enough ressources for a full new character, but maybe all the clones and Echoes of Ultimate could have been traded for a few full characters. Anyway, I was tired when I wrote my last message and the development ressources were not actually my main point. My main point is: I already see all those goombas, piranha plants, thwomps, and so on, on the tracks where they are truly themselves, so having them playable on top of that does nothing to me. I like Boos a lot. But I don't really want to play as one of them. I like when they play tricks on you, when they appear and disappear as soon as you turn your back on them, and the Boo item and the ghostly apparitions on the haunted tracks capture that perfectly. The playable driving doesn't add much to that, in my eye. Now King Boo is a different matter-although, now that I think of it, he could make a memorable stage hazard in a Luigi's Mansion themed circuit.
To be fair, I don't dislike all the playable mooks, and Koopa Troopa and Shy Guy are probably my favorite among those. I don't really know why. On the other side, the fact that a character has become a "staple" doesn't convince me at all. A character doens't make me feel better because he's been there for a while. Take Lakitu: I love the little guy (although I hated him back when I was a kid playing Super Mario Bros. 3), but his role as a polyvalent referee suits him so well that when I see him on the selecting characters screen, I'm just like "Oh, you're here there too? Good for you, I guess." And I don't know, but is a Lakitu not flying around still a Lakitu? For me, it's a bit like Dark Samus, who felt more unique and more like herself when she was "just" an assist trophy (but Lakitu didn't have to renonce his other roles, fortunately).
I am not justifying myself, because there is nothing to justify. I'm just trying to explain why I am not happy with the new roster.
Can't disagree with that.
I think it more has to do with them being among the 24 characters whom were revealed in the teaser trailer. If you were not present on that trailer, then odds are, you're not getting any costumes.
That's mainly due how it had to jump through few updates between it's DLCs and a system hop. We could have really done with a better base roster on MK8 Vanilla especially...
Honestly, yeah. I might be less inclined to view the mooks as boring if the Mario series itself didn't treat them that way. Pokey uses its significantly more bland New Soup design, Sidestepper's had all its unique traits siphoned out in favor of "the crab from Shy Guy Beach," even what would be a neat throwback in Pianta has long been reduced to a copy-paste background asset. Hell, Cow isn't even called "Moo Moo" anymore.That's mainly due how it had to jump through few updates between it's DLCs and a system hop. We could have really done with a better base roster on MK8 Vanilla especially...
I still prefer highly that we could have done with few less mooks to put more resources on some chosen ones already. Like, I'm here wishing we'll see Sidestepper do a similar thing to Wiggler where it goes to a temporary anger state in spirit of it's OG role in Mario Bros. Most likely not though - and only because it being treated so long as a "generic crab" track hazard in beach tracks, has basically reduced it to that - a generic crab.
What on earth makes pokey's modern design any less interesting than other designs
the only thing i can imagine is the playable pokey not having the pink flower "crown"
That's precisely what I was referring to, yes. The flower tied the design together so well that it just looks... incomplete without it. I do also like the Paper Mario design for the Pokeys quite a bit, but that's mainly for the weird cat mouth that gives the design a whole lot more personality. Their Mario 64 design looks freaky in a way that lends it an air of mystique. Point is, we can do better than "orange cactus."
Coin coffer is still a purse, the eyes are just in a side pocket.Coin Coffer's another case where it clearly replaced Moneybag, but like... c'mon. This design was too good to die. It's clearly designed as a living coin purse, whereas Coffer's just a weird... frog... thing?
It's clearly designed as a living coin purse, whereas Coffer's just a weird... frog... thing?
I'm aware. It just looks more like a frog and is, frankly, ugly as sin. It's just a blob; there's no shape language there. Even the Wiki admits it only looks slightly like a purse, whereas Moneybag's inspiration is more obvious and execution more creative and appealing.
I do understand that and did to begin with. The joke is that this thread is being patronizingly redundant in stating the obvious (again) to the point that I can get "umm, ackshyually"'d by two different people in opposite ways not five posts apart. Of course I know Coin Coffer and Moneybag are both based on a coin purse and a frog, that does not mean I can't think one design pulls off the concept more effectively.
In all fairness, they kinda function differently - where as Moneybag tries to lure you in with a decoy penny, Coin Coffer tends to mind it's own business until found and scurries off - sometimes it hides but more for it's own protection. In NSMB-games they do function pretty identically - but to me, I like to think them related species instead of a full replacement. (yeah, headcanon territory)Coin Coffer's another case where it clearly replaced Moneybag, but like... c'mon. This design was too good to die. It's clearly designed as a living coin purse, whereas Coffer's just a weird... frog... thing?
Honestly I'm thinking that sounds more like a Wario Land enemy.
Wario picks it up and throws it at a wall to rich.
Yeah, that makes absolute sense. Enchanted Piggy Bank that Wario has to bash into to get his money back?
Well... yeah. That's what I'm getting at. I find the way modern Mario handles mooks boring, and that comes down to the designs for most of them as well. I get that's not the popular opinion - believe me, I'm more than used to that around here - but I find Coin Coffer and Moneybag to be the perfect example of that. If anything, I WISH I enjoyed the mooks as much as you all do, but alas, I simply like this series for other things.
Kinda reminds me of the Black Jewel from Wario World. Imagine if Nintendo referenced THAT game...
I would like to add that I hate Nabbit's design with an unbridled passion. I hate his blank face. I hate his weird nub hands. I hate how he wears bowser Jr's neckerchief, yet is supposedly a different character. He is ugly and bad to the point I think the roster is worse for having him. I'd rather have anybody else. I'd take gotcha wrench. I'd take baby metal tanooki rosalina.
I love nabbit with a passion he's awesome, I love a mysterious little neutral character. He rules, he's the best new Mario character in years
Now hold on, I cannot abide Nabbit slander
Saves the princess one day, steals from the Mario bros the next. It's awesome to have an enigmatic neutral force in mario
I'm a fan of vaguely neutral characters myself, but I think I'd like Nabbit more if he... did anything. They created a morally ambiguous character for a series where a character's alignment matters insofar as "these are the guys you play as, and these are the bosses," so Nabbit just kinda sits around until the devs need something stolen or are running out of ideas for playable characters. (I think playing through Wonder as Nabbit soured my opinion on him a little since you can't 100% the game with him, but that's Wonder's problem, not his.) They could do anything with this character, and they choose almost nothing. If they were cool, they'd do something with Nabbit having a repro of Bowser Jr.'s bandanna for seemingly no reason, but alas...
