~Marth's Match Ups~

[Saki-]

I'd love to help Rukkiko, if that's alright with you and the others of course.

 

[Neon X]

I'd love to help too but i dont know if im still permitted to help in something so special.

 

[Player-3]

i would

but i just got ff13

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[Blacknight99923]

i would

but i just got ff13

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This
FF 13 IS AMAZING although I beat it on tuesday (before like almost everyone else i might add)

Allthough i wouldn't mind helping ,however most of you don't know me very well and i doubt you would randomly jsut ask me to do it however i would

 

[P. O. F.]

i would

but i just got ff13

|:

This
FF 13 IS AMAZING although I beat it on tuesday (before like almost everyone else i might add)

Allthough i wouldn't mind helping ,however most of you don't know me very well and i doubt you would randomly jsut ask me to do it however i would

I got it the other day from winning a Brawl local tournament and ****** scrubs. lol. 75 dollars to gamestop to go to gamestop and find it used with 10% off and then gift card to make it 50.00 with tax.

****.

Gonna start it tonight.



PS-I did not lose a single match and went Marth the entire time.

 

[Mr-R]

LOL that's how I won my metroid prime trioligy

 

[Blacknight99923]

gamestop tourny lol

 

[Neon X]

Lol guys I don't wanna be d*** but this is matchup disscussion. We should stick to the protocol before we get mod ***** *_*

 

[Blacknight99923]

Marth MK is even on FD

Discuss

 

[Saki-]

._. I'm not going to agree with this either.
FD is generally a bad stage for Marth. I hope I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Since when does FD bother Metaknight's Aerial Mobility? That makes nooooo sense.

D:< ROOOAAAAR stop making me talk metaknight in a thread that isn't the Metaknight discussion thread.

^
+ 10 chars

 

[Blacknight99923]

I took it to the right thread.

Here is how MKs air movment work. WHEN HE JUMPS UP he gets movment NOT FALLING DOWN. meaning when stage is flat he can only move directions UP or on the ground. Not use platforms to take the fight somewhere else. If MK were to keep jumping to move he would wind up above his oppenents and while that normaly works it fails against marth due to marths range

this Means MK stays grounded his options are nado(punishable) dash followups mabey ftilts. he can Sh fair mabey nair but his options here are ONLY ground based for the most part. Now our retreating fair is going to beat almost all these options except nado. We can grab here (release) not to mention as much as we get help from platforms we don't need them to . AS much as MK still can pull many of his shenanigans here and we get more

 

[Player-3]

the intro is like... all cutscenes just so you know POF


but they are amazing cutscenes

 

[Saki-]

I took it to the right thread.

Here is how MKs air movment work. WHEN HE JUMPS UP he gets movment NOT FALLING DOWN. meaning when stage is flat he can only move directions UP or on the ground. Not use platforms to take the fight somewhere else. If MK were to keep jumping to move he would wind up above his oppenents and while that normaly works it fails against marth due to marths range

this Means MK stays grounded his options are nado(punishable) dash followups mabey ftilts. he can Sh fair mabey nair but his options here are ONLY ground based for the most part. Now our retreating fair is going to beat almost all these options except nado. We can grab here (release) not to mention as much as we get help from platforms we don't need them to . AS much as MK still can pull many of his shenanigans here and we get more

Yet FD gives him a ton of jumping room. See where this isn't making since?

Once again to my statement from the other thread. Which metaknight are you playing?

Metaknight has a TON of options, and can use them more on FD. He's going to use spaced ftilts, dtilts, pressure us into grabs, use tornadoes and maybe do pivot fsmashes on ground. In the air he'll go with spaced down airs, spaced fairs, an occasional bair and some nair, and once again the tornado.

Ok use, retreating fair, but guess what? That guys speed is going to catch up to you if you keep the pattern going. To me, playing Metaknight is a Flip Flop situation. If he's on the ground, I'm going to attempt as many working aerials as I can. If he's in the air, I'm going to attempt as many working ground moves as I can, and without platforms this makes the job A LOT harder.

Oh and let us not forget the leading cause of suicide, the lip of Final Destination.

 

[Megavitamins]

Platforms don't exist on FD. MK abuses the hell out of platforms cuz he can juggle Marth moreso with them. marth has issues juggling MK even WITH platforms, the flat stage helps him. it's also easier to wall meta on a flat stage. FD is marth's best stage for this mu, too bad all smart MK's ban it -.-

Tornado is impossible to punish with platforms because he can always just Nado onto a platform, and the most you get is a tipper airel, while on the ground you can get DB / a grab release which can link / string / combo into more attacks.

 

[Neon X]

well in stages like Battlefield the only option to punish Nado is to read it and counter. You must get the pattern of the MK's Nado. The most typical being Dair>Nado. Its good to be on the defensive only poking with DB and Dtilt to see what are his pressure options.

 

[etecoon]

shouldn't you be able to hyphen smash him sometimes on some stages if he just goes for platforms? AFAIK that only really works that well on like, SV if the platform is moving away

 

[Saki-]

Ok so out of curiousity I decided to play my usual Metaknight practice partner in a few sets. Note I usually ban FD against him, but because both of you insisted it works I tried it out instead of posting something to defend my statement.

No other comments, I should have tried it before it before I posted the remark I did at BlackKnight, the stage does work nicely against Metaknight, but so far, from my experience, only if you're staying defensive 80~% of the match. There really isn't much this aggressive Metaknight could do if I baited the attacks and caught the dash attacks with pivot grab correctly.

<.< sorry

 

[Shaya]

So for some reason I didnt catch the spam in here before.
All of this should have been in the social thread.
General warning for all yalls.

 

[Blacknight99923]

duely noted but isn't this where we are supposed to discuss Match ups? Or does this thread have a diffrent purpose in regards to match ups


Also its good you found yourself a CP stage on MK Kola :D(your base logic was somthing i thought to at one point but shaya will get upset if this keeps up in here)

 

[Shaya]

Discussing match ups is fine.

I was referring to people talking about final fantasy 13.

 

[Blacknight99923]

oh ok thanks for clearing that up (although FF 13 is a great game but this isn't teh place like you said)

 

[KayLo!]

AHEM. Shaya was the only one who came to help us last time (thank you, Shaya!), so I'm re-inviting you guys to help the Pikas discuss the Marth MU.

We have two pages of discussion already, so you won't be the awkward kid who has to start it off:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=268146

Gracias.

 

[Saki-]

I have little Pikachu experience, I've only played one ;-;

Perhaps Minty or Punishment Divine can contribute?

 

[KayLo!]

Yeah, that seems to be a problem with a lot of our MU discussions..... Pika's very underplayed and has a pretty high learning curve, so nobody ever has decent experience vs. a good one. =\

They all still think we're B button- and dsmash-spamming rodents! ;-;

 

[Sake-Hato]

Jab&pivot grabs are amazing in the pika matchup marth can jab most of pikas approaches

 

[Saki-]

Yeah, that seems to be a problem with a lot of our MU discussions..... Pika's very underplayed and has a pretty high learning curve, so nobody ever has decent experience vs. a good one. =\

They all still think we're B button- and dsmash-spamming rodents! ;-;

lol, well our state's best Pikachu may be at the tournament I'm going to today, if I manage to get plenty of friendlies in, I'll stop by and share the information I've learned.

 

[Blacknight99923]

cool Kola :D

 

[KayLo!]

lol, well our state's best Pikachu may be at the tournament I'm going to today, if I manage to get plenty of friendlies in, I'll stop by and share the information I've learned.

That'd be really helpful, thank you!

 

[Blacknight99923]

does anyone really know what the Yoshi Match up is?

I don't think we have a yoshi in socal so i wouldn't know

 

[A1lion835]

The Kirby boards are discussing Marth! Any help with the discussion would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=271022

 

[Pr0phetic]

Alright since the vacation is drawing to a close, it's to get our hands dirty.

I'm trying to get Kadaj, Shaya, and Junk on this right away, and help them suggest others who fairly know a wide variety of match-ups.

 

[TaterSalad0811]

Hey guys, Kirby board (I know right ) is doing a Marth rediscussion export, so if you don't mind, we need some help getting the discuzam going.

EDIT: Super-ninja'd by A1

 

[Blacknight99923]

whats this boards current opinion on snake match up

 

[Shaya]

50:50 or slight advantage marth.
been so for a while.

 

[Blacknight99923]

well shaya said it so its probably true

 

[Mr-R]

I need advice against diddy... AND I NEED IT FAST
the old match up discussion is a bit outdated so maybe we should discuss diddy now ?

 

[Megavitamins]

Diddy is a stupid character

You should ask Pierce, cuz he plays ADHbutface alot.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Yo ucan ask me too, I got alot of EXP from playing GDX

 

[Shaya]

Hey Rukkiko,

I know you wanted to head up the fix-it for the match ups, but Im probably able to dedicate some time to it soon.

 

[Player-3]

Diddy:
Shield banana throws and catch them when they bounce with sh fair

Don't let him have any room onstage

He sucks on the ledge without nanas, abuse and steal his bananas he tries to pull

Ban fd
Use luigi